Admirals, generals: Let gays serve openly

[Sunni Man]

Why would you not? That would be more heroic (and somewhat noble) than throwing a blanket over someone's head and gang beating the crap out of him for some nebulous reason.

Seriously CSM, what were we supposed to do? No one wanted this guy in our unit. Plus if he went with us into the field. He was going to come back in a body bag.

The soilders who gave him the blanket party. Actually saved his life in the long run.

 

[CSM]

Seriously CSM, what were we supposed to do? No one wanted this guy in our unit. Plus if he went with us into the field. He was going to come back in a body bag.

The soilders who gave him the blanket party. Actually saved his life in the long run.

There is such a thing as the chain of command...and you know damn well how it works if you were in the military longer than a week....there are other avenues as well, some of which are the chaplain's office, the IG, and heck you could have even written your Congressman.

Don't get me wrong, I know full well how soldiers think and it is easy for them to fool themselves into taking such action thinking they are justified....which leads me to my assessment of the unit leadership at the time. If "no one" (as you assert) wanted the individual in the unit then your leadership could EASILY have prevented the individual soldier from deploying. Furthermore, the fact that the leadership fostered a climate where such a thing as a blanket party was even a consideration indicates an epic failure on their part.

The whole situation as you describe it indicates to me a very poor unit with no discipline and piss poor leadership. By the way, such units were not unusual during the VietNam era.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Ok guys, keep the homoerotica in your posts to a minimum, discussing gay sex is strictly forbidden.

Who put you in charge?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

I don't agree with your premise that removing don't ask, don't tell equals permission to or the desire to flaunt homosexuality. I don't think that what gays are asking for. I think they just want to be able to fell safe, if asked, in responding truthfully that they are gay.
Imagine if it was the reverse. Would any straight person feel good about having to pretend to be gay in order to keep your job? I saw part of a TV documentary, (wish I could remember the title), where a highly decorated and clearly upstanding career officer decided he had to resign from the military because the obligation to go to great lengths to hide the fact that he was in a homosexual relationship was tearing him apart. It made him feel isolated from his his fellow soldiers and undermined teamwork. This guy was no over sensitive wuss. He had been in combat and performed outstandingly. But having to pretend he was straight was a travesty he could no longer put up with so he resigned and the military lost a good officer.
On another board I post on there is a poster who is a former marine who resigned from the Corps after a long service for the same reason. He said he couldn't lie anymore. del will probably remember him. He was a very eloquent writer and after reading his posts I could understand better how it can wrench a person inside to pretend to be something you aren't for no good reason other than to coodle a minority of homophobes.

I agree with you. My intention was not to express the view that rescinding Don't Ask, Don't Tell would be for the purpose of gays flaunting their behavior. My premise was that those that want it rescinded and allow gays to serve openly simply for the reason to flaunt it are in the military for the wrong reasons to begin with. I fully understand that being gay in the military is hard and that not being true to yourself is emotionally crippling. That the travesty of the policy.

I'm curious about how it would protect gays.

It protects them in the sense that by not divulging a homosexual lifestyle, it prevents physical, social, and emotional retribution from others in the military.

 

[dilloduck]

I agree with you. My intention was not to express the view that rescinding Don't Ask, Don't Tell would be for the purpose of gays flaunting their behavior. My premise was that those that want it rescinded and allow gays to serve openly simply for the reason to flaunt it are in the military for the wrong reasons to begin with. I fully understand that being gay in the military is hard and that not being true to yourself is emotionally crippling. That the travesty of the policy.



It protects them in the sense that by not divulging a homosexual lifestyle, it prevents physical, social, and emotional retribution from others in the military.

But you don't understand--liberals want to put a weak link in every chain there is. And then defend it.

 

[Anguille]

I agree with you. My intention was not to express the view that rescinding Don't Ask, Don't Tell would be for the purpose of gays flaunting their behavior. My premise was that those that want it rescinded and allow gays to serve openly simply for the reason to flaunt it are in the military for the wrong reasons to begin with. I fully understand that being gay in the military is hard and that not being true to yourself is emotionally crippling. That the travesty of the policy.



It protects them in the sense that by not divulging a homosexual lifestyle, it prevents physical, social, and emotional retribution from others in the military.

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I misunderstood you.

I suppose it does protect them in the sense you describe, but they can just individually choose to adopt their own personal don't tell policy, if they feel the need.

 

[Anguille]

But you don't understand--liberals want to put a weak link in every chain there is. And then defend it.

Mister, who are you calling a liberal?!!!

Don't you know I'm a rabid radical commie rat?

 

[Sunni Man]

The whole situation as you describe it indicates to me a very poor unit with no discipline and piss poor leadership. By the way, such units were not unusual during the VietNam era.

You are correct CSM

We were all draftees and didn't want to be there.

Basically we did what we wanted and were not very military oriented.

I am sure the current all voluntary service is much more professional

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I misunderstood you.

I suppose it does protect them in the sense you describe, but they can just individually choose to adopt their own personal don't tell policy, if they feel the need.

They could adopt a personal policy, but an environment that would require such action is problematic. I'm sure that Africac-Americans would have liked to have that option from the time of integration throughout the Vietnam Conflict.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Who put you in charge?

Mr Bass is responsible for keeping USMB free of all homosexuality and homoerotica, lest its spreads and the whole board becomes gay.

 

[Sunni Man]

Mr Bass is responsible for keeping USMB free of all homosexuality and homoerotica, lest its spreads and the whole board becomes gay.

You are doing a good job Mr. Bass!!!

 

[mattskramer]

Yeah, I don't think we need to have our uniformed service men and women being "openly gay"...i.e., engaging in public displays of affection while wearing the uniform.

We don't need any sexual acting out in public - gay or otherwise. Remember tailhook?

Tailhook Association - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Dis]

Anyone reading Shoguns posts will immediately see he is a hard core racist.

Pot.

Kettle.

Black.

Now, Crimson moved this thread for a reason. Could y'all get back on topic, so it can actually open, and save him doing twice the work?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

Now maybe the discussion can continue. Those that hijacked this thread with flames can find their posts here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/flame...-admirals-generals-let-gays-serve-openly.html

 

[Shogun]

Now maybe the discussion can continue. Those that hijacked this thread with flames can find their posts here.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/flame...-admirals-generals-let-gays-serve-openly.html

you gonna sweep up post #111?

 

[CrimsonWhite]

you gonna sweep up post #111?

Missed that one, thanks for helping out.

 

[Mr. President]

I wasn't one of the attackers. But I was glad to see him gone.

Well if your unit did it and you weren't one of the attackers.................

 

[Mr. President]

Dont ask dont tell works for people who just want to serve in the military.

 

[Sunni Man]

Well if your unit did it and you weren't one of the attackers.................

I actually slept thru the whole event. 4 or 5 guys did the deed. If I had woke up in time I would have helped. The guy was a menace to the unit.

 

[catzmeow]

Mr Bass is responsible for keeping USMB free of all homosexuality and homoerotica, lest its spreads and the whole board becomes gay.

Unfortunately, your posts are putting me off penis.