Accusing Israel of Genocide is an Antisemitic Trope

[Shusha]

The international community is not gonna get its hands dirty in Israel's effort to take what's left of the Palestinians land. Get that through your head.

Squirrel. This does not even remotely address my post.

The primary requirements for inclusion in the international community (Statehood, UN membership) are to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of other States and to solve conflicts through peaceful means.

Israel did not invade Gaza and commit a crime against humanity. Gaza did that.

 

[Arlette]

Squirrel. This does not even remotely address my post.

The primary requirements for inclusion in the international community (Statehood, UN membership) are to respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of other States and to solve conflicts through peaceful means.

Israel did not invade Gaze and commit a crime against humanity. Gaza did that.

As was on display just a few days ago at the UN, the international community sees it differently.

 

[Shusha]

As was on display just a few days ago at the UN, the international community sees it differently.

Yes, I am well aware that the international community, especially as evidenced at the UN, is unwilling to address crimes against humanity if those crimes are committed against Jews.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh no, not another puerile and snarky Zionist shill who is reciting "reasons" for the deliberate and systematic extermination of Gaza's men, women and children.

If you knew anything about Gaza, you would know that it is one of the most densely populated Walled Open Air Prisons on the planet and your trigger happy IDFers bomb refugee camps, hospital, schools and even destroy Palestinian graveyards to make Netanyahu's genocide more thorough.

It doesn't matter if someone is Hamas or not. IDFers are there to kill civilians already living on land coveted by genocidal Zionists.

Please read and learn:

1. "'Fire at every person': Israeli soldiers reveal they were ordered to shoot to kill in Gaza combat zones – even if targets may have been civilians"

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fire-at-every-person-you-see-israeli-soldiers-reveal-they-were-ordered-to-shoot-to-kill-in-gaza-even-10223427.html

EXCERPT "The Israeli military deliberately pounded civilian areas in the Gaza Strip with incessant fire of inaccurate ordinance during last year’s war against Hamas and was at best indifferent about casualties among the Palestinian population."CONTINUED


2. "The Israel Massacre Forces"
https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-the-israel-massacre-forces-1.5962852

EXCERPT "The shooting on the Gaza border shows once again that the killing of Palestinians is accepted in Israel more lightly than the killing of mosquitoes"CONTINUED



3. "Independent investigation details Israel’s deliberate targeting of civilians in Gaza"
Independent investigation details Israel’s deliberate targeting of civilians in Gaza

'Fire at every person'

That's awful! So why are so few dead?

 

[Street Juice]

Jews have been accused of murdering gentiles and using their blood for Passover wine, poisoning water wells of Palestinians and harvesting their organs, and now…..in another example of this reprehensible antisemitic trope, being accused of “genocide” of Palestinians.

Piss off, wench. We've all seen the videos of Jews blocking access to Gaza for convoys of trucks with food and medicine. You people are hateful.

 

[Street Juice]

'Fire at every person'

That's awful! So why are so few dead?

What is it with you people and lying? Israel is bombing refugee "safe zones," for crying out loud. They open fire on people trying to get aid from relief organizations. They use the sound of a baby crying to lure Palestinians into the open, then kill them. For two years prior to the start of the genocide, Israeli snipers shot the kneecaps of unarmed teenagers on the Gaza side of the border peacefully demonstrating against Israeli brutality. In the evenings, Jews would grab a lawn chair and a pair of binoculars and perch on nearby hilltops to cheer the snipers' "great shots" as they fired on unarmed human beings.

You people are sick and the whole world knows it.

 

[Grau]

Grau 26 hours ....

Still nothing?

Have you thought about getting a pet goldfish to keep you company?

As I wrote earlier, I have too many friends around the world, family, other interests, social activities and responsibilities to spend 26 hours waiting for the answer to an unintelligible question.

Please don't overfeed your goldfish.

 

[Shusha]

Have you thought about getting a pet goldfish to keep you company?

As I wrote earlier, I have too many friends around the world, family, other interests, social activities and responsibilities to spend 26 hours waiting for the answer to an unintelligible question.

Please don't overfeed your goldfish.

The answer to the question I asked would take less than a dozen keystrokes. Claiming you "are too busy with all your other ... things" is suspect. As is the personal attack. What else am I to conclude except that you lied about reading the primary source research? (Of course you did. Duh.)

 

[Grau]

What is it with you people and lying? Israel is bombing refugee "safe zones," for crying out loud. They open fire on people trying to get aid from relief organizations. They use the sound of a baby crying to lure Palestinians into the open, then kill them. For two years prior to the start of the genocide, Israeli snipers shot the kneecaps of unarmed teenagers on the Gaza side of the border peacefully demonstrating against Israeli brutality. In the evenings, Jews would grab a lawn chair and a pair of binoculars and perch on nearby hilltops to cheer the snipers' "great shots" as they fired on unarmed human beings.

You people are sick and the whole world knows it.

Naturally, there are also many decent, ethical and courageous Israeli Jews who are just as repulsed by the crimes, atrocities and current genocide being carried out by today's Netanyahu government.

From my experience, Jewish writers and thinkers have been especially critical of today's Gaza genocide and similar Zionist crimes and atrocities.

Along with Netanyahu, Gallant, Dickter, Ben Gvir and like minded genocidal miscreants, we've got their army of paid, trained and scripted Zionist shills that curse, kvetch and whine because Palestine's native residents do what every invaded, persecuted and brutally occupied people have done since the beginning of time.

They resist the mass murder of their families, friends and destruction / theft of their homes, crops, livestock and ancient olive groves by violent, foreign Jews from Russia to Brooklyn.

Finally, because right wing Zionist lobbies control America's Middle East policy, Netanyahu and his genocidal war mongers have absolutely no incentive to make peace when they can commit genocide, remain in violation of International law and steal land not only with impunity but with $ Trillions in the world's most sophisticated US weaponry and countless hidden forms of "aid".

Regrettably, US Troops are already in Israel and nearby so that WHEN Netanyahu's expansionist war mongering plunges the region into war, more American G.I. will be sent to die for "Greater Israel"..............Again (1), (2)


Thanks,



(1). “QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”
AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003


(2). "Top Pentagon adviser says ‘Israeli lobby’ funds officials who want war"

"Douglas Macgregor blamed pro-Israel policy for driving the United States into the Iraq conflict after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks,"

Top Pentagon adviser says ‘Israeli lobby’ funds officials who want war

Douglas Macgregor blamed pro-Israel policy for driving the United States into the Iraq conflict after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks,

www.jpost.com

EXCERPT "Douglas Macgregor, a top adviser to President Donald Trump’s new acting defense secretary, routinely blames “the Israeli lobby” and “neocons” for pushing the United States into wars.

CNN’s KFile uncovered interviews in which Macgregor, a decorated combat veteran who appears frequently on Fox News and other conservative media, says “pro-Israel” donors and the pro-Israel lobby are behind efforts to drive the United States into war." CONTINUED

 

[Grau]

The answer to the question I asked would take less than a dozen keystrokes. Claiming you "are too busy with all your other ... things" is suspect. As is the personal attack. What else am I to conclude except that you lied about reading the primary source research? (Of course you did. Duh.)

Your earlier question makes no sense:

Shusha wrote: "Prove it. What is the country with the lowest post-war death toll and what was the rate compared to war death toll? (And I'm watching to see how long it takes for you to answer.)"

1. In what part of the world is this country?

2. In what time period (ancient - modern ?)

3. Post-war deaths of whom? (combatants, civilians)

4. Define "post-war death". ( everyone who has been in combat and eventually dies is a "post war death") Please be specific.

5. Define "war death toll" (civilians, combatants, both?)

6. What source are you using for your information and what makes it credible.

The fact that you consider having friends, family, a social life, outside interests etc "suspicious" is disturbing and not common among the Jews I know.

 

[Ringo]

 

[toomuchtime_]

Your post doesn't even qualify as bullshit. It's steer shit.

"Steer shit" is you putting up post after post falsely claiming the ICC has charged Israel with war crimes when it is common knowledge that the ICC has ignored the Prosecutor's request to issue arrest warrants on those charges, and "steer shit" is your false claim of indiscriminate bombing in Gaza when it is common knowledge that Israel has gone to great lengths to warn civilians in advance that a target would be bombed so they could flee in order to minimize civilian casualties. You have not yet posted a single honest word in this forum, so ask again, are you posting this nonsense because of ignorance or bigotry?

 

[Billo_Really]

There is no factual, historical, or moral equivalence between Israel's existential threat and her responses to that existential threat and the actions of Nazi Germany. Any such comparisons ARE antisemitism. The comparisons trivialize the Holocaust and demonize Israel and Jews.

It is easy enough to criticize the actions of Israel in this war, without having to resort to antisemitic misinformation. The problem is that, like many here, you are so invested in the evil you imagine Israel to be, you can't have an objective, rational conversation about the facts.

That's bullshit!

I dare you to tell me the following is not true...

1. Both you and the Nazis trash an entire population of people 24/7.
2. You both blame an entire population of people for all the problems in your country.
3. You both are trying to ethnically cleanse the area of said populations.
4. You both treat an entire population of people like they are subhuman.
5. And you both enact laws that make an entire population of people 2nd class citizens.

Thats 5 right off the top of my head and I challenge anyone to prove what I just said is not true!

 

[Billo_Really]

We know. This is what happens when people, like you, demonize Israel and spread misinformation. These demonizing ideas attach themselves to the Jewish people all over the world. If you would like to help with solving the problem, just consider using different language, so people who don't know enough about the war to criticize actual events and facts, don't see Jews as Nazis.

You are demonized because you ACT LIKE FUCKING DEMONS!

You committed genocide in Gaza and now you are doing the same thing in Lebanon.

You fuckers never take responsibility for the shit things you do!

Wipe your ass with that "misinformation" garbage!

YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR!

 

[Billo_Really]

Israel lost the respect of the world. How do you want to address that?

End the occupation and obey IHL.

 

[rosends]

That's bullshit!

I dare you to tell me the following is not true...

1. Both you and the Nazis trash an entire population of people 24/7.
2. You both blame an entire population of people for all the problems in your country.
3. You both are trying to ethnically cleanse the area of said populations.
4. You both treat an entire population of people like they are subhuman.
5. And you both enact laws that make an entire population of people 2nd class citizens.

Thats 5 right off the top of my head and I challenge anyone to prove what I just said is not true!

well, I'll start with number 1 -- Israel is not interested in "trashing" an entire population. If they were, they would have carpet bombed instead of sending in aid, establishing safe corridors and providing warning before attacks.

Then, number 2 -- what entire population does Israel blame? Is "Hamas" a population? Because Israel blames Hamas.

Number 3 is also wrong -- what ethnicity is being cleansed? Is "terrorist" an ethnicity?

four and 5 are similarly misguided and unprovable.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

You are not following. The international community FAILED to support a sovereign state which was subjected to a genocidal invasion (or terror attack if you insist) on October 7, 2023. The sovereign state was the victim of a crime against humanity. Why, on October 8, did the international community not fulfill its primary guiding principle?

This is an interesting use of language, given that the slaughter of 41,000 people in Gaza and 98,000 injured (e.g. amputees, lost eyes, severe burns etc) is described by many Israel supporters here as "not genocide" then by what logic does the Oct 7th attack qualify as a "genocidal invasion" when the number of victims is 1,139?

Will you also explain what you mean by "Why, on October 8, did the international community not fulfill its primary guiding principle?" ?

You understand that there's no official body named "the international community" the only way countries do act as a body is through decisions made by the UN's members.

What did the UN fail to do on Oct 8th? other than apply and enforce sanctions on Israel which should have happened decades ago.

 

[Shusha]

Your earlier question makes no sense:

1. In what part of the world is this country?

2. In what time period (ancient - modern ?)

3. Post-war deaths of whom? (combatants, civilians)

4. Define "post-war death". ( everyone who has been in combat and eventually dies is a "post war death") Please be specific.

5. Define "war death toll" (civilians, combatants, both?)

6. What source are you using for your information and what makes it credible.

Sigh. You made a false claim, misinformation deliberately intended to demonize Jews, here:

First of all, it's important to realize that not all deaths from Netanyahu's genocide are immediate and that's what Israel's genocidal Zionists are counting on; those quiet deaths from wounds, burns, disease, birth deaths, starvation, exposure and dehydration.

Because of those factors, Gaza's death toll should be well over 180,000 if the shooting had stopped in July.

Finally, your dream of well over 1,000,000 men, women and children dying in Gaza is a near certainty once Winter comes and "mows the lawn" throughout Gaza's fetid refugee camps and frequently bombed "Safe Zones".

(emphasis mine) I, correctly, called these lies out for what they are - blood libels. Then I commented about the primary source research which provides analysis of post-conflict non-combat deaths. You responded, claiming that you have read the primary source research on the subject matter. Here:

I've done more than read the original research on the subject.

It is entirely possible to predict with some accuracy how many people will die under certain circumstances in places like Gaza.
For example, deaths from exposure will spiral in Gaza's fetid, poorly supplied refugee camps this Winter even if the shooting stops. Count on it.

If you had actually read the primary source research on the subject, you would know that predicting future events and the circumstances which lead to post-conflict non-combat deaths is challenging. So I called you on it, here:

Prove it. What is the country with the lowest post-war death toll and what was the rate compared to war death toll? (And I'm watching to see how long it takes for you to answer.)

And, at your request, provided clarification, here:

You claimed that you have read the primary source research on post-war death tolls due to circumstances other than direct combat deaths. In that primary source research, what was the country with the lowest post-war death and what was the rate of post-war death compared to combat deaths for that country?

If you have read the primary source material and the data, this would be an easy question to answer.

My entire point in all this is that you are repeating blood libels which have no basis in fact, and that you have not completed the research you claim to have.

 

[Shusha]

That's bullshit!

I dare you to tell me the following is not true...

1. Both you and the Nazis trash an entire population of people 24/7.
2. You both blame an entire population of people for all the problems in your country.
3. You both are trying to ethnically cleanse the area of said populations.
4. You both treat an entire population of people like they are subhuman.
5. And you both enact laws that make an entire population of people 2nd class citizens.

Thats 5 right off the top of my head and I challenge anyone to prove what I just said is not true!

And ... going back to the original point of this particular discussion. None of this is "criticism of Israel". This is all just misinformation from the monster you've imagined in your own head.

None of these things are true. There is no factual, historic, or moral equivalence between Israel and the existential threat against her and Nazi Germany. And all of this has been explained to you numerous times. There is no way to talk you out of the monster you've imagined.

 

[Shusha]

You are demonized because you ACT LIKE FUCKING DEMONS!

You committed genocide in Gaza and now you are doing the same thing in Lebanon.

You fuckers never take responsibility for the shit things you do!

Wipe your ass with that "misinformation" garbage!

YOU'RE A FUCKING LIAR!

Speaking of "never taking responsibility"... Lebanon started a war with Israel on October 8, 2023. Lebanon made the deliberate decision to attack sovereign Israel. Lebanon has spent three decades ignoring UN resolutions, building up immense weapon stores intended for Israel. Lebanon is the belligerent. And you claim that Israel never takes responsibility?! As though you somehow believe that Lebanon can attack Israel but Israel can't respond and defend herself from Lebanon's belligerence? How about Lebanon taking responsibility? And how about the international community forcing Lebanon to adhere to UN resolutions and international law?

Israel showed great restraint for nearly an entire year while she was being attacked by Lebanon. And then. What has Israel managed to accomplish in, what? six days? She has eliminated the entirety of Hezbollah's command. She has destroyed about half of Hezbollah's weapons stores. She has prevented all new weapons coming in to Lebanon. She has completely crippled Hezbollah for years, if not decades. And she has managed that with absolutely minimum incidental harm.

And you (and others) have the audacity to call what is happening in Lebanon a genocide?!?!?! The standards set for Israel are impossible to meet. And no matter how well she meets the standards, the standards are raised (after-the-fact) so that she can be accused of atrocities anyway. This is not rational. You know what it is.