Abortions - The Truth - The Killing of Unborn Children

[LuvRPgrl]

I can say with 100% certainty that once born, a person is a human being. You can't say with 100% certainty that a fertilized egg is. You may not agree with my opinion about when a fetus becomes a human being, but I am entitled to that opinion regardless, as you are entitled to yours.

Oh, it can be said with 100% certainty. ALL the distinctions required to be a human being are there. Gender, blood type, individual dna.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

From a moral standpoint is abortion ethical? I don't think it is. But from a reality standpoint making it illegal will not make abortions stop. In the same way that making drugs legal does not stop the use of drugs. If people are going to have abortions I'd rather them get decent medical care. Thus I am pro-choice.

Your pro choice opinion has led to a massive increase in unneeded and un necessary abortions. Abortions have alot of negative downside to them.

Also your logic could be applied to bank robbers. WEll, people are gonna rob banks anyways, so lets just make it legal.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Yes. And just because you think something is imorral it doesn't mean that it should be illegal. What if you got arrested for masturbation? Man everyone in the world would be in jail. And the rest would be liars.

we sometimes do, and sometimes dont make laws against immoral actions we commit on ourselves. BUT we ALWAYS make it illegal to commit immoral acts that are injurious to another person.

Oddly enough, the same law that makes it a "right" for a woman to kill her child in the first tri mester, also makes it homicide if another person does the same, effectively making the first tri mester fetus a "human being" legally.

Its the first law that I know of that doesnt apply to everyone equally. This is in violation of the equal protection clause also. Laws should apply to everyone equally. Discrimination that some dont get punished for the same action is not legally justifiable.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

I didn't say they were equal in magnitude. I just said that they are both things that some people consider immoral. You can't make everything you think is immoral illegal.

nor can you allow EVERYTHING that is immoral to remain legal.

 

[Powerman]

nor can you allow EVERYTHING that is immoral to remain legal.

No. Of course not. You have to look at how it affects society. Abortion has a positive net outcome on society. Therefore it won't be illegal anytime soon.

 

[Powerman]

Your pro choice opinion has led to a massive increase in unneeded and un necessary abortions. Abortions have alot of negative downside to them.

Also your logic could be applied to bank robbers. WEll, people are gonna rob banks anyways, so lets just make it legal.

Yeah but that has a huge negative net effect on society. So it's not consistent with my thought process.

You have to way the positives and the negatives. If the positives outweigh the negatives then there isn't much of a reason to make things illegal. Almost everyhthing that is illegal now is illegal because the action has a negative net effect on society.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

What I'm saying is that not all fertilized eggs are going to become human beings. Most do. IMO, the ones that develop into a handful of non-viable cells are not, nor were they ever going to be.



To me, it would depend on the age of the fetus. If you are talking about a full-term still birth, human being.


How would you like to pay for that?

so you are saying the fertilized egg is human life, but not a human being. You cant have human life that isnt a PART of a human being. So you are claiming the fertlized egg is part of the mother? Then how does it become "not a part" of the mother in the 2nd trimester? What act occurs to make this change in definition? How can the fertlized egg be a part of the mother when it has a seperate dna, blood type and may be of a different gender than the mother, and it has begun a totally seperate respiration not dependent upon the mothers metabolism or brain to operate.

 

[Powerman]

and it has begun a totally seperate respiration not dependent upon the mothers metabolism or brain to operate.

Yes but it is dependent on the mother to sustain any chance of future life. That much is obvious.

 

[LuvRPgrl]

No. Of course not. You have to look at how it affects society. Abortion has a positive net outcome on society. Therefore it won't be illegal anytime soon.

You dont know that. THere are many negative effects. Besides, thats irrelevant. Are you gonna decide if its legal to kill a section of the human community based on if its a net gain for society?
Lets kill all the severly handicapped then. Or the insane. Or those in prison.
Things that make you go Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[LuvRPgrl]

Yes but it is dependent on the mother to sustain any chance of future life. That much is obvious.

definition of a human being is NOT determined by if one is dependent on another for living. Eventually, science will get to the point that they could take the fert. egg out and keep it alive till it becomes self sufficient. Then would all those fert eggs that we purposely aborted suddenly be defined as human beings?

 

[Powerman]

You dont know that. THere are many negative effects. Besides, thats irrelevant. Are you gonna decide if its legal to kill a section of the human community based on if its a net gain for society?
Lets kill all the severly handicapped then. Or the insane. Or those in prison.
Things that make you go Hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

What do you mean I don't know that? New York City has benefited from great reductions in crime because of the mass amount of abortions they have there. It has definitely helped things out there. And I'm not advocating any of the other nonsense you are talking about. Neither is anyone else who is pro choice. However I am a proponent of active euthanasia.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Yes but it is dependent on the mother to sustain any chance of future life. That much is obvious.

People on heart/lung machines are dependant also. yet they can even talk and do other activities while hooked up. Are they alive? Of course they are. Thus dependancy is eliminated as a factor in determining life and death. Why are you such a flaming dumbass?

 

[Said1]

People on heart/lung machines are dependant also. yet they can even talk and do other activities while hooked up. Are they alive? Of course they are. Thus dependancy is eliminated as a factor in determining life and death. Why are you such a flaming dumbass?

 

[rtwngAvngr]

Man. I hope whoever had to wear that had a ramp at their front step and a hand rail on each side of the toilet.

 

[Said1]

Man. I hope whoever had to wear that had a ramp at their front step and a hand rail on each side of the toilet.

I don't think moving is optional. More like a home away from home.

 

[rtwngAvngr]

I don't think moving is optional. More like a home away from home.

Like living in a terrarium, or being a sea monkey.

 

[Said1]

Like living in a terrarium, or being a sea monkey.

Neato. All I have to do is pull the string attached to the little bell with my mouth and all my needs are met. I'd say that's better than being a sea monkey.

 

[deaddude]

beats being in the bubble.

 

[Said1]

beats being in the bubble.

They're Moops!

 

[deaddude]

Moors damn it!!!