Abortion: Innocence. What is it?

[progressive hunter]

Now: Religion?


definition of innocence:
b: "freedom from guilt or sin through being unacquainted with evil : blamelessness"

I'm curious because I think of life -- all life as equal. The genome we share has so little in the way of differences. I can focus entirely on human life, even the life of a fetus as being life. A fetus is alive in that sense. But as a fully functioning human being? It's too much of an argument and debate to get into. I'm just wondering how life itself can be innocent. Because I always come back to innocent of what?

Evil? It's an abstract thing for me. The dualistic view -- evil/good, is far too immature for me. Do I believe there are evil people? In one sense yes, but do I believe evil exists as an entity? No. There is no poof, no test, of things as abstract as good and evil.

I digress here. I love life. I love the life of anything. I love life in all it's aspects. I believe life has one purpose at the molecular level -- to reproduce.

Life is cruel. Life can be ugly and frightening.

Since childhood, I have always struggled with: "What is life?

Is abortion ugly to us, the living who observe it? Is it frightening? But, how can it be evil? How can it even be good?

killing another human for convenience is pure evil,,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

killing another human for convenience is pure evil,,

I respect your right to have an opinion.

 

[progressive hunter]

I respect your right to have an opinion.

that was a statement of fact not an opinion,,,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

that was a statement of fact not an opinion,,,

Do you know fact from opinion? Do you really? Your post is opinion. That is a fact.

 

[progressive hunter]

Do you know fact from opinion? Do you really? Your post is opinion. That is a fact.

be very careful about what you say is OK for a person to do to another person..

the circle of life might get back around to you,,

 

[Burgermeister]

This is a pained attempt at a debate topic.

 

[Meister]

Ok. So religion. What if a mother doesn't believe? What if she doesn't believe in sin, original or otherwise?

Makes no difference what the mother believes. period

 

[Dante Reawakened]

be very careful about what you say is OK for a person to do to another person..

the circle of life might get back around to you,,

I'm not the judge on what people can and cannot do to each other. I believe in the golden rule, but I'm also not hypnotized into some cult of belonging. I don't believe in evil, that it actually exists. I do believe good people can act evil. Evil is a human construct. Life isn't about good vs evil, life is about reproduction -- genetics.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

This is a pained attempt at a debate topic.

The pained replies, yes. How about you? Can you try and define the terms innocent, and innocence here?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

Makes no difference what the mother believes. period

Does it make a difference that it's something growing in her body? The mother is a host. But that's all another issue. I never started this thread in order to debate abortion as pro/anti.

I believe I was clear:

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.
Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.
So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

 

[progressive hunter]

Does it make a difference that it's something growing in her body? The mother is a host. But that's all another issue. I never started this thread in order to debate abortion as pro/anti.

I believe I was clear:

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.
Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.
So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

innocence is the absence of guilt,,
and since a child in the womb couldnt have ever done anything to anyone they are the poster child for innocence and killing them should get anyone the death penalty in the most gruesome of ways,,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

innocence is the absence of guilt,,

guilt of what in abortions? A fetus is free of sin, is what others have said.

What is a fetus innocent of? Who says a fetus is guilty of anything?

Why what another member called: a pained attempt? What is so painful for you here?

 

[progressive hunter]

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guilt of what in abortions? A fetus is free of sin, is what others have said.

What is a fetus innocent of? Who says a fetus is guilty of anything?

Why what another member called: a pained attempt? What is so painful for you here?

any guilt is on you to say,,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

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any guilt is on you to say,,

Why is it so painful for you to answer a few very simple questions about something you claim? Help me understand, what you mean about innocence and guilt.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

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any guilt is on you to say,,

guilt of what in abortions? A fetus is free of sin, is what others have said.
What is a fetus innocent of? Who says a fetus is guilty of anything?
Why what another member called: a pained attempt? What is so painful for you here?

 

[SaxonJackson]

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.

Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.

So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

When an abortion takes place ... it's rarely the woman's "body" that is in danger. But it's ALWAYS the baby's body that is. Murder is murder, whether inside or outside a womb.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

When an abortion takes place ... it's rarely the woman's "body" that is in danger. But it's ALWAYS the baby's body that is. Murder is murder, whether inside or outside a womb.

Not interested in your argument(s) regarding what abortion is, isn't entails...

I simply posted and asked:

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.
Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.
So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

after some replies I asked:
guilt of what in abortions? A fetus is free of sin, is what others have said.
What is a fetus innocent of? Who says a fetus is guilty of anything?
Why what another member called: a pained attempt? What is so painful for you here?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

When an abortion takes place ... it's rarely the woman's "body" that is in danger.

But: You don't believe a woman is in danger during an abortion? An abortion is performed on her body. Are abortions risky?

 

[progressive hunter]

Why is it so painful for you to answer a few very simple questions about something you claim? Help me understand, what you mean about innocence and guilt.

why is it so hard for you to understand something so simple even you posted the definition of??

 

[progressive hunter]

guilt of what in abortions? A fetus is free of sin, is what others have said.
What is a fetus innocent of? Who says a fetus is guilty of anything?
Why what another member called: a pained attempt? What is so painful for you here?

you need to tell me what the child is guilty of,,