Abortion: Innocence. What is it?

[Dante Reawakened]

Simple

innocent = not guilty

Of what exactly?

and what of innocence? Can you define it, or have somebody you know who is fluent in language, define it for you?

 

[progressive hunter]

asked to define what you or anyone else means when using the term: innocence.

I have told you 3 times now,,

what about my answer dont you understand??

 

[progressive hunter]

Of what exactly?

and what of innocence? Can you define it, or have somebody you know who is fluent in language, define it for you?

maybe you should tell us what they are guilty of that they need to be killed??

 

[Dante Reawakened]

thats what an abortion does,,

How is a fetus innocent, and innocent of what?

and I will agree all surgery techniques are violent. But I was never asking about violence. I merely asked you and anyone else, to define innocence, and tell me what a fetus is innocent of?

 

[progressive hunter]

How is a fetus innocent, and innocent of what?

and I will agree all surgery techniques are violent. But I was never asking about violence. I merely asked you and anyone else, to define innocence, and tell me what a fetus is innocent of?

thats not how it works,,,

its on you to say what they are guilty of that they need to be killed??

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I have told you 3 times now,,

what about my answer dont you understand??

In reality you have not. Why are you incapable of an honest and sincere answer to a few, very few simple questions regarding definition?

 

[progressive hunter]

How is a fetus innocent, and innocent of what?

and I will agree all surgery techniques are violent. But I was never asking about violence. I merely asked you and anyone else, to define innocence, and tell me what a fetus is innocent of?

fetus is a stage of development of human being,,

 

[progressive hunter]

In reality you have not. Why are you incapable of an honest and sincere answer to a few, very few simple questions regarding definition?

what are they guilty of that they need to be killed??

if you have nothing that means they are innocent,,

 

[MizMolly]

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.

Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.

So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

freedom from guilt or sin through being unacquainted with evil

 

[Dante Reawakened]

maybe you should tell us what they are guilty of that they need to be killed??

You keep injecting guilt, as a way of (and I can't fathom why), avoiding defining terms you use.

quotes:

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.

Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.

So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

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Please, explain what you are replying to? Do you deny "Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body?" Please try and be clear here, and try not to conflate things especially some claim not posited.

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So the fetus is innocent of what? What and who says a fetus did something wrong?

Does a fetus possess innocence, and what is your definition of innocence?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

what are they guilty of that they need to be killed??

if you have nothing that means they are innocent,,

again, innocent of what exactly?

Simple question.

 

[progressive hunter]

You keep injecting guilt, as a way of (and I can't fathom why), avoiding defining terms you use.

quotes:

Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body.

Now, I've heard the term 'innocent' used. As in some particular(?) life possesses innocence, whereas I assume, the claim is other life does not posses innocence.

So I ask in good faith and sincerity: " What is innocence?" -- a definition people should be able to agree on.

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Please, explain what you are replying to? Do you deny "Debates over abortion involve a woman's health. It's her body?" Please try and be clear here, and try not to conflate things especially some claim not posited.

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So the fetus is innocent of what? What and who says a fetus did something wrong?

Does a fetus possess innocence, and what is your definition of innocence?

guilt is the opposite of innocent,,

so unless you have something the child did to be guilty they are innocent

 

[progressive hunter]

again, innocent of what exactly?

Simple question.

thats on you to provide what they are guilty of,,,

 

[Dante Reawakened]

freedom from guilt or sin through being unacquainted with evil

Huh?

What has religion to do with abortion? And do you see abortion as being a punishment for sin and some guilt?

"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed.

If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a Savior.

And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity." - Frank Zindler

 

[johngaltshrugged]

Of what exactly?

and what of innocence? Can you define it, or have somebody you know who is fluent in language, define it for you?

I'll go slow since I know you aren't real bright Pante.

When we are talking about the innocence of an unborn child, we are talking specifically about a living person that has not even had an opportunity to transgress in life.
It is a truly innocent human being without stain of sin or transgressions of any type.
Not guilty of anything.
None of us is ever as innocent as when we are the very beginnings of life.

I can't do much more without a coloring book for you to look at as you attempt to follow along

 

[Dante Reawakened]

guilt is the opposite of innocent,,

so unless you have something the child did to be guilty they are innocent

You have yet to define the term, and why you are using it in a discussion laid out in the OP.

What is so difficult for you?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

thats on you to provide what they are guilty of,,,

I've never said anything about guilt, except to reply to your injecting it in place of discussing what the OP is about.

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I'll go slow since I know you aren't real bright Pante.

When we are talking about the innocence of an unborn child, we are talking specifically about a living person that has not even had an opportunity to transgress in life.
It is a truly innocent human being without stain of sin or transgressions of any type.
Not guilty of anything.
None of us is ever as innocent as when we are the very beginnings of life.

I can't do much more without a coloring book for you to look at as you attempt to follow along

So you see abortion in a religious context, and not about the concerns of the woman who's body an abortion is performed on?

 

[Dante Reawakened]

I'll go slow since I know you aren't real bright Pante.

When we are talking about the innocence of an unborn child, we are talking specifically about a living person that has not even had an opportunity to transgress in life.
It is a truly innocent human being without stain of sin or transgressions of any type.
Not guilty of anything.
None of us is ever as innocent as when we are the very beginnings of life.

I can't do much more without a coloring book for you to look at as you attempt to follow along

Ok.

"The most devastating thing though that biology did to Christianity was the discovery of biological evolution. Now that we know that Adam and Eve never were real people the central myth of Christianity is destroyed.

If there never was an Adam and Eve there never was an original sin. If there never was an original sin there is no need of salvation. If there is no need of salvation there is no need of a Savior.
And I submit that puts Jesus, historical or otherwise, into the ranks of the unemployed. I think that evolution is absolutely the death knell of Christianity." - Frank Zindler

 

[progressive hunter]

I've never said anything about guilt, except to reply to your injecting it in place of discussing what the OP is about.

when you asked what innocence is, its the opposite of guilt,,
so if theres no guilt they are innocent,,,

so unless you have something they are guilty of they are innocent,,