Zone1 Abortion and Transgender is Demonic

[Meriweather]

Religion is definitely about death because all you live fkr is the "afterlife".

That is missing the entire point of religion. Religion is about eternal life. Eternal life does not begin after death. Eternal means no beginning and no end, which means this life is available for us to enter at any time. God's kingdom is the eternal kingdom, which can be entered at any time. Jesus once noted that prostitutes were entering before some of his other listeners.

Waiting to enter life until one dies is quite ironic, right? Religion is about eternal life that has its beginning for us in the here and now and extends after our death. Why miss out on this in our present life?

 

[ding]

Religion is definitely about death because all you live fkr is the "afterlife".

Maybe the religion you grew up attending but not the religion I grew up attending.

 

[Trickster]

How many times do I have to remind you that DNA is evidence of personhood?

It definitely is not. Egg cells, sperm, bodyparts, bodily fluids, viruses, bacteria, cancer and amimals have DNA too, do these lifeforms have personhood and, by implication, rights?

No, of course not. Like I've said DNA is irrelevant here. It is a complrtr nonessential only used to mask your Bible-argument in a (pseudo)scientific cloth.

You can't have a competing rights argument without determining humanness and personhood.

There is no "competing rights" since only the woman is granted personhood; she is an actual individual, who is actually part of society and has volitional consciousness. She is the only life in the human sense of the word.

Rights are never in competition if properly understood and applied.

Your strategy is to deny both. My strategy is to show that scientific evidence proves the child in the womb is human and a specific person.

It is not a human and nothing close to a person.

That is the starting point for the competing rights argument. You want to skip that step and go straight to the mother is the only person with rights which I disagree with based upon scientific evidence of personhood.

You have no idea what rights are.

 

[Trickster]

That is missing the entire point of religion. Religion is about eternal life. Eternal life does not begin after death. Eternal means no beginning and no end, which means this life is available for us to enter at any time. God's kingdom is the eternal kingdom, which can be entered at any time. Jesus once noted that prostitutes were entering before some of his other listeners.

Waiting to enter life until one dies is quite ironic, right? Religion is about eternal life that has its beginning for us in the here and now and extends after our death. Why miss out on this in our present life?

LIfe is not eternal. Religion is a death cult.

 

[Trickster]

Maybe the religion you grew up attending but not the religion I grew up attending.

Uuh oooh... Are you saying your God is more right than every other God?

 

[ding]

Uuh oooh... Are you saying your God is more right than every otherGod?

How many different Gods do you believe exist? Because that's a pretty dumb question. Maybe try asking do I believe my perception of God is more right than other people's perception.

 

[ding]

It definitely is not. Egg cells, sperm, bodyparts, bodily fluids, viruses, bacteria, cancer and amimals have DNA too, do these lifeforms have personhood and, by implication, rights?

Only the ones that are new and genetically distinct persons, dummy.

Please tell me you don't believe the child and mother have the same DNA.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

You are again proving that the religious are very similar to the postmodernists in that neither have any respect at all for the definitions of concepts.

A mother is a woman who has given birth. She has (and ideally wants) a child. The woman choosing abortion chooses not to be a mother.

A child is a non-adult human being. It is someone who has been born. A ZEF is not a child.

Instead of playing the anti-abortionist's favorite game of misusing language to manipulate emotions, you need to make actual arguments using language like we all have agreed to use it.




It is not a misdemeanor in any way at all.

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[OhPleaseJustQuit]

It is not a misdemeanor in any way at all.

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I'm glad you don't live in my state.

You'd be forced to learn that it's a felony here.




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[Meriweather]

LIfe is not eternal. Religion is a death cult.

That is the view/opinion of some atheists. It's not the reality/truth.

 

[ding]

No, of course not. Like I've said DNA is irrelevant here. It is a complrtr nonessential only used to mask your Bible-argument in a (pseudo)scientific cloth.

Again... DNA is the evidence of personhood. And I'm not making a religious argument. I am making a human rights and scientific argument as to when a new human being comes into existence. hint: it's at fertilization. No religion necessary. It's just science.

 

[Donald H]

Only the ones that are new and genetically distinct persons, dummy.

Please tell me you don't believe the child and mother have the same DNA.

The child and its mother's DNA is not the same.

 

[ding]

There is no "competing rights" since only the woman is granted personhood; she is an actual individual, who is actually part of society and has volitional consciousness. She is the only life in the human sense of the word.

Rights are never in competition if properly understood and applied.

Of course there are competing rights. You can't see it because you dehumanize the competing rights of a new genetically distinct human being even though science tells you it's a new genetically distinct human being.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Wrong.

ZEFs are not human beings. They are only potential human beings and rights only pertain to the actual. Potentials do not have rights and the only actjal human being involved in the decision is the unwillingly pregnant woman.

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A woman who is unwilling to be pregnant has the right to avoid getting pregnant.



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[ding]

It is not a human and nothing close to a person.

So you believe that life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner?

That's how slaveowners saw their slaves. But thanks for proving my point that you dehumanize some human life like slaveowners and Nazis did.

 

[Donald H]

How many different Gods do you believe exist? Because that's a pretty dumb question. Maybe try asking do I believe my perception of God is more right than other people's perception.

The number of gods that have existed is not definitively known, but here are some points to consider:

1. Fifteen gods (such as Anubis, Ra, and Isis) are significant in ancient Egyptian religion.
   
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2. Anthropologists estimate that at least 18,000 different gods, goddesses, and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans throughout history.
   
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[ding]

You have no idea what rights are.

I most certainly do but we can't even begin that discussion because you don't see life in the womb as being human beings in their earliest stages of the human life cycle even though science clearly says they are human beings in the earliest stages of the human life cycle.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

So you believe that life in the womb is property to be disposed of at the will of its owner?

That's how slaveowners saw their slaves. But thanks for proving my point that you dehumanize some human life like slaveowners and Nazis did.

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So an unwanted unborn child is technically a slave, and his/her mother is a slave owner.

Best perspective I've seen on this issue in a very long time.


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[ding]

The child and its mother's DNA is not the same.

No shit.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

The child and its mother's DNA is not the same.

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The child is a genetically distinct being from his/her mother.




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