ABC News..Brian Ross says Batman shooter has tea party page.

[Neotrotsky]

Your handlers must be so proud! You infiltrated the Republican Party and USMB

there is that racist proudly using the N word again (would love to see him go to Compton CA and use that word)

Did all your tough black friends ignore you?

Actually, most people probably ignore him

 

[JakeStarkey]

Oh, it's NeoTroll. Who know you were still around.

come here now, little neotroll

 

[Politico]

Another epic fail by the media and those who parrot what they hear without fact checking.

 

[Rambunctious]

Well, one thing is for sure. Brian Ross is not a journalist, he is a propagandist.

 

[JoeB131]

Quite right. My distrust of an evil cult is a lot stronger than any mewling about left and right when the right opposes policies they used to support. And contrariwise.

The Left now loves intervening in the Middle East and the Right is now totally against Mandates.

But Mormons will always be crazy.

Joe, your Obama embraces all the wacks on the left; it's how it is done.

The issue is not about Right or Left, it is about your HATRED because of a religion.

The extremist far right are not conservatives, they are wack reactionaries.

Jake, Sweetie, you can't complain about them when your weird Mormon Robot embraces their worst impulses to get votes.

Even Bush had the balls to stand up to the extremists in his party, calling himself a "compassionate conservative" to their chagrin.

 

[JakeStarkey]

My distrust of the cult of atheism is far stronger than any problems with a religion that teaches take care of one's neighbor, elevates the family, and tries to practice decency and dignity in everyday life.

You are a very unhappy person.

Why did you leave Mormonism, Joe?

Quite right. My distrust of an evil cult is a lot stronger than any mewling about left and right when the right opposes policies they used to support. And contrariwise.

The Left now loves intervening in the Middle East and the Right is now totally against Mandates.

But Mormons will always be crazy.

Joe, your Obama embraces all the wacks on the left; it's how it is done.

The issue is not about Right or Left, it is about your HATRED because of a religion.

Jake, Sweetie, you can't complain about them when your weird Mormon Robot embraces their worst impulses to get votes.

Even Bush had the balls to stand up to the extremists in his party, calling himself a "compassionate conservative" to their chagrin.

 

[JoeB131]

My distrust of the cult of atheism is far stronger than any problems with a religion that teaches take care of one's neighbor, elevates the family, and tries to practice decency and dignity in everyday life.

You are a very unhappy person.

Why did you leave Mormonism, Joe?

You really think being annoying is getting you anywhere?

Okay, guy, the problem with Mormons, like those scumbags I met in 1983, is that they see the world divided into "Saints" (themselves, rather a bit of hubris) and "Gentiles", and screwing over the gentiles is okay.

Compare that to Atheists, who for the most part respect your right to beleive in whatever silly superstitions you want to believe in, as long as you don't try to impose your silliness on the rest of us.

And the thing is, if you are only acting "decent" because you are afraid your magic sky man is going to punish you in the afterlife or not give you a really cool planet to rule or any spirit wives to bang, that's really not much of a "morality", is it?

Morality is doing the right thing even if you have nothing to gain from it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only fooling yourself, bud.

Why did you leave the LDS church?

I don't know why you divide the world into your cult atheism and everyone else.

 

[Si modo]

My distrust of the cult of atheism is far stronger than any problems with a religion that teaches take care of one's neighbor, elevates the family, and tries to practice decency and dignity in everyday life.

You are a very unhappy person.

Why did you leave Mormonism, Joe?

You really think being annoying is getting you anywhere?

Okay, guy, the problem with Mormons, like those scumbags I met in 1983, is that they see the world divided into "Saints" (themselves, rather a bit of hubris) and "Gentiles", and screwing over the gentiles is okay.

Compare that to Atheists, who for the most part respect your right to beleive in whatever silly superstitions you want to believe in, as long as you don't try to impose your silliness on the rest of us.

And the thing is, if you are only acting "decent" because you are afraid your magic sky man is going to punish you in the afterlife or not give you a really cool planet to rule or any spirit wives to bang, that's really not much of a "morality", is it?

Morality is doing the right thing even if you have nothing to gain from it.

To the bolded: Where did Jake say that?

Maybe Jake and others like him were just raised that way by their families and those ideas were reinforced every Sunday.

Nah, that couldn't be - it doesn't fit into your personal issues.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Living life to serve one's fellow human being leads one closer to the infinite, gentles the soul, milds the heart, and helps one to be tolerant of the JoeBs in the word. To give one hope for the JoeBs in the world.

 

[JoeB131]

Only fooling yourself, bud.

Why did you leave the LDS church?

I don't know why you divide the world into your cult atheism and everyone else.

I don't...

Most of my relatives are still practicing Catholics. A couple of them even work for the Church. They know I stopped beleiving that crap when my mom died, and they respect that, as I respect their beliefs.

But the Mormons. Those guys are just plain creepy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Your opinion, nothing else. I am sorry about your Mom passing. That's always hard. I miss my Mom. But it is not God's fault my Mom died. Life is life, and death is part of it.

Only fooling yourself, bud.

Why did you leave the LDS church?

I don't know why you divide the world into your cult atheism and everyone else.

I don't...

Most of my relatives are still practicing Catholics. A couple of them even work for the Church. They know I stopped beleiving that crap when my mom died, and they respect that, as I respect their beliefs.

But the Mormons. Those guys are just plain creepy.

 

[Si modo]

Living life to serve one's fellow human being leads one closer to the infinite, gentles the soul, milds the heart, and helps one to be tolerant of the JoeBs in the word. To give one hope for the JoeBs in the world.

Yes, I see those qualities quite often in the faithful.

 

[JoeB131]

My distrust of the cult of atheism is far stronger than any problems with a religion that teaches take care of one's neighbor, elevates the family, and tries to practice decency and dignity in everyday life.
You are a very unhappy person.

Why did you leave Mormonism, Joe?

You really think being annoying is getting you anywhere?

Okay, guy, the problem with Mormons, like those scumbags I met in 1983, is that they see the world divided into "Saints" (themselves, rather a bit of hubris) and "Gentiles", and screwing over the gentiles is okay.

Compare that to Atheists, who for the most part respect your right to beleive in whatever silly superstitions you want to believe in, as long as you don't try to impose your silliness on the rest of us.

And the thing is, if you are only acting "decent" because you are afraid your magic sky man is going to punish you in the afterlife or not give you a really cool planet to rule or any spirit wives to bang, that's really not much of a "morality", is it?

Morality is doing the right thing even if you have nothing to gain from it.

To the bolded: Where did Jake say that?

Maybe Jake and others like him were just raised that way by their families and those ideas were reinforced every Sunday.

Nah, that couldn't be - it doesn't fit into your personal issues.

There, I bolded the part where Jake tried to equate religion with morality.

Here's the dirty little secret. I was brought up religious, in the Catholic tradition. 12 years of Catholic schools, and I started to suspect it was all bullshit at a pretty early age.

Probably when I started to ask very valid questions, like why did God need to drown every baby in the world in the great flood. In grammar school, the old nun screeched "Because they were WIIIIIICKED".

By High School, the Christian Brothers (who were substantially better educated) conceded that the Noah story was probably a myth based on a local flood in Mesopotamia.

My problem with "Christian" morality is that it is based on a system of punishments that are kind of disproportiate. Maybe Hitler deserved eternal torment for what he did, but I'm having a harder time seeing the person who had sex outside marriage being thrown into the pit right next to him.

but that's the problem with "Christian" morality in general. It's just a bunch of rules based on someone's biases and fears, not a logical thought process.

I'm happy to say that I rejected that kind of nonsense at an early age.

 

[California Girl]

The extremist far right are not conservatives, they are wack reactionaries.

You don't get to decide who is a conservative and who is an 'extremist'. Frankly, the overuse of the 'extremist' label has made the term meaningless... much like being called a 'racist'... congratulations, Jokey, you "and your ilk" lol:) have taken a really important topic and trivialized it to the point that it is pointless. Hack.

 

[JoeB131]

Living life to serve one's fellow human being leads one closer to the infinite, gentles the soul, milds the heart, and helps one to be tolerant of the JoeBs in the word. To give one hope for the JoeBs in the world.

Yes, I see those qualities quite often in the faithful.

I've seen priests who molested kids, I've seen nuns who delighted in tormenting children because they couldn't deal with being lesbians.... I've seen assholes who say that 9/11 was God's will for our "wickedness".

I guess I'm seeing a different class of the "faithful" than you are... The ones I see are usually assholes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are a extremist chucklehead, who apparently abandoned America to live in comfort in socialist Europe.

Common usage is defined by common behavior, and chuckleheaded extremist behavior is boring, counterproductive, and just downright loony.

What you think is immaterial.

The extremist far right are not conservatives, they are wack reactionaries.

You don't get to decide who is a conservative and who is an 'extremist'. Frankly, the overuse of the 'extremist' label has made the term meaningless... much like being called a 'racist'... congratulations, Jokey, you "and your ilk" lol:) have taken a really important topic and trivialized it to the point that it is pointless. Hack.

 

[JoeB131]

Your opinion, nothing else. I am sorry about your Mom passing. That's always hard. I miss my Mom. But it is not God's fault my Mom died. Life is life, and death is part of it.

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I don't "blame" God. I don't think there is a God to blame.

That's the point.

What that incident did was underline the bullshit in bold, and I was able to move past it at that point.

Because when you tell us that God listens to prayers, and everyone prays really hard for Mom to get better, and she dies of liver cancer, anyway, that pretty much indicates that it's all... bullshit.

And frankly, I refuse to let bullshit run my life.

If I'm going to be a moral person, you'd better give me a good reason for that morality. Killing someone is immoral, because you've taken something away from them.

Having consensual sex with someone isn't immoral if you want to do it and you enjoy it... even if you aren't married. Even if you are of the same gender (not that I'm into that sort of thing).

And once you realize that the silly book of rules that "the faithful" follow selectively wasn't written by a magic man in the sky, it's easier to tell the real immoral actions from the bullshit.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Acting rightly has nothing to do with fear punishment, JoeB, it has to do with trying to do better for your fellow human being.

Atheism is absolutely selfish and shrugs off self-judgment.

I can't help it, though, if you loathe yourself. Understandable.

Why did you leave Mormonism?

There, I bolded the part where Jake tried to equate religion with morality.

 

[Si modo]

You really think being annoying is getting you anywhere?

Okay, guy, the problem with Mormons, like those scumbags I met in 1983, is that they see the world divided into "Saints" (themselves, rather a bit of hubris) and "Gentiles", and screwing over the gentiles is okay.

Compare that to Atheists, who for the most part respect your right to beleive in whatever silly superstitions you want to believe in, as long as you don't try to impose your silliness on the rest of us.

And the thing is, if you are only acting "decent" because you are afraid your magic sky man is going to punish you in the afterlife or not give you a really cool planet to rule or any spirit wives to bang, that's really not much of a "morality", is it?

Morality is doing the right thing even if you have nothing to gain from it.

To the bolded: Where did Jake say that?

Maybe Jake and others like him were just raised that way by their families and those ideas were reinforced every Sunday.

Nah, that couldn't be - it doesn't fit into your personal issues.

There, I bolded the part where Jake tried to equate religion with morality.

Here's the dirty little secret. I was brought up religious, in the Catholic tradition. 12 years of Catholic schools, and I started to suspect it was all bullshit at a pretty early age.

Probably when I started to ask very valid questions, like why did God need to drown every baby in the world in the great flood. In grammar school, the old nun screeched "Because they were WIIIIIICKED".

By High School, the Christian Brothers (who were substantially better educated) conceded that the Noah story was probably a myth based on a local flood in Mesopotamia.

My problem with "Christian" morality is that it is based on a system of punishments that are kind of disproportiate. Maybe Hitler deserved eternal torment for what he did, but I'm having a harder time seeing the person who had sex outside marriage being thrown into the pit right next to him.

but that's the problem with "Christian" morality in general. It's just a bunch of rules based on someone's biases and fears, not a logical thought process.

I'm happy to say that I rejected that kind of nonsense at an early age.

Joe, I also was raised Catholic. And, I also suspected all of it at a very young age. In fact, I don't recall ever buying ANY of it. I had a kids' bible and my views of it was just "cool stories".

I went to church, to catechism, etc. because that's what my parents wanted.

So, no difference in our younger experiences.

But, you turned bitter and I didn't.

Funny, in a curious way.