Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Just a short follow-on.

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

(COMMENT)

Refugee columns are not unusual in any war. There is not one single reason for a community to abandon their homes and move out of the theater of combat military operations. Some will move as a matter of common sense and to avoid becoming collateral casualties. Some will move on because, as non-combatants, they are being evacuated to avoid unnecessary casualties. Some will be move out of the area because the represent a fifth columnist threat to rear area operations. There are many reasons for a refugee column to form. You are only focused on one of them.

Second, in respect to the attachment of the word "country" --- you will no doubt notice that in this regard, the Government of that named country was the UK, and not the Palestinians. In no way did anything in the link remotely suggest that the Arab Palestinians had a "country." In fact, no Arab-Palestinian Government was even mentioned in the link. The word "country" was never used in the context of an Arab Palestinian Government or sovereignty. The status of the territory, held in trust by the UK as the Mandatory, was then (in that time frame - 20 November 1947) and unequivocally stated in a release on (PAL/138) 27 February 1948, concerning the Successor Government, as a "legal entity but it is not a sovereign state."

It can be made no more plain then that; in the proper context.

Most Respectfully,
R

you will no doubt notice that in this regard, the Government of that named country was the UK, and not the Palestinians.

Britain was a foreign government appointed by foreigners, against the wishes of the people, to promote the agenda of foreigners.

The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples

By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.

Every State has the duty to promote, through joint and separate action, realization of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, and to render assistance to the United Nations in carrying out the responsibilities entrusted to it by the Charter regarding the implementation of the principle, in order:

• To promote friendly relations and co-operation among States; and

• To bring a speedy end to colonialism, having due regard to the freely expressed will of the peoples concerned;

and bearing in mind that subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a violation of the principle, as well as a denial of fundamental human rights, and is contrary to the Charter.

Every State has the duty to promote through joint and separate action universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms in accordance with the Charter.

The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.

A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements

Only one problem with that is the resolution was not in effect in 1920 when the arabs agreed to the mandate being set up. You really should research your subject before posting and making a complete arse of yourself.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You have your timelines fouled-up again.

Britain was a foreign government appointed by foreigners, against the wishes of the people, to promote the agenda of foreigners.

The principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples

By virtue of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations, all peoples have the right freely to determine, without external interference, their political status and to pursue their economic, social and cultural development, and every State has the duty to respect this right in accordance with the provisions of the Charter.

Every State has the duty to promote, through joint and separate action, realization of the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter, and to render assistance to the United Nations in carrying out the responsibilities entrusted to it by the Charter regarding the implementation of the principle, in order:

• To promote friendly relations and co-operation among States; and

• To bring a speedy end to colonialism, having due regard to the freely expressed will of the peoples concerned;

and bearing in mind that subjection of peoples to alien subjugation, domination and exploitation constitutes a violation of the principle, as well as a denial of fundamental human rights, and is contrary to the Charter.

Every State has the duty to promote through joint and separate action universal respect for and observance of human rights and fundamental freedoms in accordance with the Charter.

The establishment of a sovereign and independent State, the free association or integration with an independent State or the emergence into any other political status freely determined by a people constitute modes of implementing the right of self-determination by that people.

A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements

(COMMENT)

A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970 came more than 20 years after 1948 Partition. Law cannot be applied retroactively. This particular set of Principles can be applied to the 1988 State of Palestine.

It did not apply to the actions in the establishment of the State of Israel, as it did not exist.

The concepts of the Charter are not in conflict with the Adopted Resolutions. The armies of the Arab League and the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) insurgents that opposed the implementation of the Resolution of 1947, constituted a direct threat under Chapter VII - Article 51 of the Charter. The attack represented a demonstrated threat to the peace and security of the region.

So even if A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970 did apply, the Arab League and HoAP violated a basic prinicle:

• "Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States."
  
• "Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."

So it would also be the case that the Arab League and the HoAP were violators of the principles.

The containment of hostile entities that threaten the peace and security of a nation like Israel, which was duly constituted under the agreed upon Resolution, is not a violation of the Charter under Chapter VII.

Most Respectfully,
R

This was not new law. It was a clarification of existing law.

The principles of self determination were expressed in the League of Nations Covenant.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

By a few you mean how many percent and can you prove it with a link?

I am not the one making the claim that they were told to leave without posting any stats.

You are denying the historical facts of the issue and are coming out with falsehoods, now provide the evidence of your accusations or retract and apologise for getting it wrong.

By the way a creditable source of evidence is required not your usual islamonazi sources.

Decisive causes of abandonment of Palestinian villages and towns according to Benny Morris Decisive causes of abandonment Occurrences[138]

military assault on settlement 215
influence of nearby town's fall 59
expulsion by Jewish forces 53
fear (of being caught up in fighting) 48
whispering campaigns 15
abandonment on Arab orders 6
unknown 44

Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You have your timelines fouled-up again.


(COMMENT)

A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970 came more than 20 years after 1948 Partition. Law cannot be applied retroactively. This particular set of Principles can be applied to the 1988 State of Palestine.

It did not apply to the actions in the establishment of the State of Israel, as it did not exist.

The concepts of the Charter are not in conflict with the Adopted Resolutions. The armies of the Arab League and the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP) insurgents that opposed the implementation of the Resolution of 1947, constituted a direct threat under Chapter VII - Article 51 of the Charter. The attack represented a demonstrated threat to the peace and security of the region.

So even if A/RES/25/2625 24 October 1970 did apply, the Arab League and HoAP violated a basic prinicle:

• "Every State has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate the existing international boundaries of another State or as a means of solving international disputes, including territorial disputes and problems concerning frontiers of States."
  
• "Every State likewise has the duty to refrain from the threat or use of force to violate international lines of demarcation, such as armistice lines, established by or pursuant to an international agreement to which it is a party or which it is otherwise bound to respect. Nothing in the foregoing shall be construed as prejudicing the positions of the parties concerned with regard to the status and effects of such lines under their special regimes or as affecting their temporary character."

So it would also be the case that the Arab League and the HoAP were violators of the principles.

The containment of hostile entities that threaten the peace and security of a nation like Israel, which was duly constituted under the agreed upon Resolution, is not a violation of the Charter under Chapter VII.

Most Respectfully,
R

This was not new law. It was a clarification of existing law.

The principles of self determination were expressed in the League of Nations Covenant.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

 

[Phoenall]

I am not the one making the claim that they were told to leave without posting any stats.

You are denying the historical facts of the issue and are coming out with falsehoods, now provide the evidence of your accusations or retract and apologise for getting it wrong.

By the way a creditable source of evidence is required not your usual islamonazi sources.

Decisive causes of abandonment of Palestinian villages and towns according to Benny Morris Decisive causes of abandonment Occurrences[138]

military assault on settlement 215
influence of nearby town's fall 59
expulsion by Jewish forces 53
fear (of being caught up in fighting) 48
whispering campaigns 15
abandonment on Arab orders 6
unknown 44

Causes of the 1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your link we see :-

... the Arabs in Palestine were asked to stay and live as citizens in the Jewish state. Instead, they chose to leave, either because they were unwilling to live with the Jews, or because they expected an Arab military victory which would annihilate the Zionists. They thought they could leave temporarily and return at their leisure. Later, an additional claim was put forth, namely that the Palestinians were ordered to leave, with radio broadcasts instructing them to quit their homes

The document details 11 factors which caused the exodus, and lists them "in order of importance":
1.Direct, hostile Jewish [ Haganah/IDF ] operations against Arab settlements.
2.The effect of our [Haganah/IDF] hostile operations against nearby [Arab] settlements... (... especially the fall of large neighbouring centers).
3.Operation of [Jewish] dissidents [ Irgun Tzvai Leumi and Lohamei Herut Yisrael]
4.Orders and decrees by Arab institutions and gangs [irregulars].5.Jewish whispering operations [psychological warfare], aimed at frightening away Arab inhabitants.
6.Ultimate expulsion orders [by Jewish forces]
7.Fear of Jewish [retaliatory] response [following] major Arab attack on Jews.
8.The appearance of gangs [irregular Arab forces] and non-local fighters in the vicinity of a village.
9.Fear of Arab invasion and its consequences [mainly near the borders].10.Isolated Arab villages in purely [predominantly] Jewish areas.
11.Various local factors and general fear of the future.[6]

Statements by Arab leaders and organizations

Jamal Husseini, Palestinian representative to the United Nations, wrote to the Syrian UN representative, at the end of August 1948,

“ "The withdrawals were carried out pursuant to an order emanating from Amman. The withdrawal from Nazareth was ordered by Amman; the withdrawal from Safad was ordered by Amman; the withdrawal orders from Lydda and Rale are well known to you. During none of these withdrawals did fighting take place. The regular armies did not enable the inhabitants of the country to defend themselves, but merely facilitated their escape from Palestine.

According to Yitschak Ben Gad, Mahmoud Abbas, then member of PLO Executive Committee, wrote an article "Madha `Alamna wa-Madha Yajib An Na`mal" [What We Have Learned and What We Should Do] and published it in "Falastineth-Thawra" [Revolutionary Palestine], the official journal of the PLO, Beirut, in March 26, 1976:


"The Arab armies entered Palestine to protect the Palestinians from the Zionist tyranny but, instead, they abandoned them, forced them to emigrate and to leave their homeland, and threw them into prisons similar to the ghettos in which the Jews used to live in Eastern Europe, as if we were condemned to change places with them: they moved out of their ghettos and we occupied similar ones. The Arab States succeeded in scattering the Palestinian people and in destroying their unity

But on doing a quick check on the author of this piece what do we find but that he is a PALESTINIAN WITH AN AGENDA

User:Screen stalker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So not a creditable source just another ISLAMONAZI one.

 

[Phoenall]

This was not new law. It was a clarification of existing law.

The principles of self determination were expressed in the League of Nations Covenant.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

Yes born under ROMAN occupation and has been so for over 2,000 years, not 90 years as you claim.

The Palestinians have never had their right to free determination violated, they have exercised it since 1947. This is why they are in the situation they face now because they have allowed outside arab muslim interference in their free determination.

Just as the Jews exercised their right to free determination in May 1948 when they declared Israel an independent state, then defended that state from destruction. At no time has Israel denied or violated the Palestinians right to free determination without external interference or right to national independence and sovereignty. In fact they have tried to assist them do this all the time. It can be found in such treaties as the Oslo Accords were Israel actually suggests they set up an interim governing body to be recognised as the Palestinian government until such time as a proper government can be formed.

So you lose again by not doing the research you should, and instead blame the Jews for all Palestine's faults and fails

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Two important points to remember.

This was not new law. It was a clarification of existing law.

The principles of self determination were expressed in the League of Nations Covenant.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

(COMMENT)

Article 22, League of Nation (LoN) Covenant, is the authority under which the Mandate of Palestine derives its effective power. And what self-determination is espoused in the LoN Covenant, is not countered by this clause.

Again, there is a timeline mistake. General Assembly A/RES/3236 (XXIX) and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237 A/RES/3237 (XXIX) were both adopted on 22 November 1974, more than 2 decades after the Partition Plan was adopted and put into effect. The two clause quotation reaffirms the right of the Palestinian to self-determination do not reaffirm a LoN Covenant right; and it doesn't say the Palestinian was denied that right. In fact, the Palestinian cited, exercised the right of self-determination by:

• Rejecting the offer of establishing an Arab State in Resolution 181(II) in 1948.
• By Declaring Independence in November 1988, and utilizing Resolution 181(II).

A/RES/3237 says nothing more than the Palestinians can watch the processes at the UN (Observer Status).

Nothing you have cited changes the impact of the the LoN Covenant, The Palestine Order in Council, or The Mandate for Palestine. The same people that wrote the LoN Covenant also indicated that the indigenous population (Arab Palestinian) was not ready to stand alone, in its judgment. And, based on the call for donations again this year, the State of Palestine cannot yet stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Something for the ignorant here

Coordination of Government Activities in the Terri​

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Two important points to remember.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

(COMMENT)

Article 22, League of Nation (LoN) Covenant, is the authority under which the Mandate of Palestine derives its effective power. And what self-determination is espoused in the LoN Covenant, is not countered by this clause.

Again, there is a timeline mistake. General Assembly A/RES/3236 (XXIX) and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237 A/RES/3237 (XXIX) were both adopted on 22 November 1974, more than 2 decades after the Partition Plan was adopted and put into effect. The two clause quotation reaffirms the right of the Palestinian to self-determination do not reaffirm a LoN Covenant right; and it doesn't say the Palestinian was denied that right. In fact, the Palestinian cited, exercised the right of self-determination by:

• Rejecting the offer of establishing an Arab State in Resolution 181(II) in 1948.
• By Declaring Independence in November 1988, and utilizing Resolution 181(II).

A/RES/3237 says nothing more than the Palestinians can watch the processes at the UN (Observer Status).

Nothing you have cited changes the impact of the the LoN Covenant, The Palestine Order in Council, or The Mandate for Palestine. The same people that wrote the LoN Covenant also indicated that the indigenous population (Arab Palestinian) was not ready to stand alone, in its judgment. And, based on the call for donations again this year, the State of Palestine cannot yet stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course they can't. They are still under 90 years of occupation.

The LoN Covenant called for the mandates to assist the people to independence. Britain violated the covenant by pushing the people aside and promoting the agenda of foreigners.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Two important points to remember.

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

(COMMENT)

Article 22, League of Nation (LoN) Covenant, is the authority under which the Mandate of Palestine derives its effective power. And what self-determination is espoused in the LoN Covenant, is not countered by this clause.

Again, there is a timeline mistake. General Assembly A/RES/3236 (XXIX) and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237 A/RES/3237 (XXIX) were both adopted on 22 November 1974, more than 2 decades after the Partition Plan was adopted and put into effect. The two clause quotation reaffirms the right of the Palestinian to self-determination do not reaffirm a LoN Covenant right; and it doesn't say the Palestinian was denied that right. In fact, the Palestinian cited, exercised the right of self-determination by:

• Rejecting the offer of establishing an Arab State in Resolution 181(II) in 1948.
• By Declaring Independence in November 1988, and utilizing Resolution 181(II).

A/RES/3237 says nothing more than the Palestinians can watch the processes at the UN (Observer Status).

Nothing you have cited changes the impact of the the LoN Covenant, The Palestine Order in Council, or The Mandate for Palestine. The same people that wrote the LoN Covenant also indicated that the indigenous population (Arab Palestinian) was not ready to stand alone, in its judgment. And, based on the call for donations again this year, the State of Palestine cannot yet stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course they can't. They are still under 90 years of occupation.

The LoN Covenant called for the mandates to assist the people to independence. Britain violated the covenant by pushing the people aside and promoting the agenda of foreigners.

Why do you always deny the Jews their rights to free determination, and the treaty signed by the arab leaders giving Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The only people pushed aside were the Jews who saw their allocation promised and signed for reduced to desert and indefensible land surrounded by hostile terrorists. The only agenda promoted was that of the arab league that wanted all the land and were prepared to break signed treaties to acquire the land.

As I said before Palestine has been under constant occupation for over 2,000 years until 1948 when it was released by the Mandate and the UN.

 

[toastman]

This was not new law. It was a clarification of existing law.

The principles of self determination were expressed in the League of Nations Covenant.

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.
They freely exercised their determination to acquire land illegally and to remove the Jews rights to free determination in May 1948. This was against the same existing law you are citing as only being relevant to the Jews and Israel.
They freely exercised their determination to wipe the Jews of the face of the M.E. which is a breach of the existing law you are citing.
They freely exercised their determination to engage in terrorist attacks on Israeli children which is against the existing law you are citing. As well as being a breach of the UN charter, Geneva conventions and International law, and a crime against humanity.
They freely exercised their determination to carry on terrorist attacks on Israel using illegal weapons that are not allowed under International Law.

So at what time in the past 70 years have Palestinian arab muslims not been allowed to freely determine their own futures and actions ?

And when were the arab muslims rights to self determination removed, and who removed them.

Right cannot be removed. They are violated usually by external interference. Palestine was born under occupation and has remained under occupation for 90 years.

Expressing its grave concern that the Palestinian people has been prevented from enjoying its inalienable rights, in particular its right to self-determination,

Guided by the purposes and principles of the Charter,

Recalling its relevant resolutions which affirm the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination,

1. Reaffirms the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

UN General Assembly Resolution 3236 and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237

The British did not occupy Palestine. How can you say such a ridiculous thing???

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Two important points to remember.


(COMMENT)

Article 22, League of Nation (LoN) Covenant, is the authority under which the Mandate of Palestine derives its effective power. And what self-determination is espoused in the LoN Covenant, is not countered by this clause.

Again, there is a timeline mistake. General Assembly A/RES/3236 (XXIX) and UN General Assembly Resolution 3237 A/RES/3237 (XXIX) were both adopted on 22 November 1974, more than 2 decades after the Partition Plan was adopted and put into effect. The two clause quotation reaffirms the right of the Palestinian to self-determination do not reaffirm a LoN Covenant right; and it doesn't say the Palestinian was denied that right. In fact, the Palestinian cited, exercised the right of self-determination by:

• Rejecting the offer of establishing an Arab State in Resolution 181(II) in 1948.
• By Declaring Independence in November 1988, and utilizing Resolution 181(II).

A/RES/3237 says nothing more than the Palestinians can watch the processes at the UN (Observer Status).

Nothing you have cited changes the impact of the the LoN Covenant, The Palestine Order in Council, or The Mandate for Palestine. The same people that wrote the LoN Covenant also indicated that the indigenous population (Arab Palestinian) was not ready to stand alone, in its judgment. And, based on the call for donations again this year, the State of Palestine cannot yet stand alone.

Most Respectfully,
R

Of course they can't. They are still under 90 years of occupation.

The LoN Covenant called for the mandates to assist the people to independence. Britain violated the covenant by pushing the people aside and promoting the agenda of foreigners.

Why do you always deny the Jews their rights to free determination, and the treaty signed by the arab leaders giving Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The only people pushed aside were the Jews who saw their allocation promised and signed for reduced to desert and indefensible land surrounded by hostile terrorists. The only agenda promoted was that of the arab league that wanted all the land and were prepared to break signed treaties to acquire the land.

As I said before Palestine has been under constant occupation for over 2,000 years until 1948 when it was released by the Mandate and the UN.

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

 

[toastman]

Of course they can't. They are still under 90 years of occupation.

The LoN Covenant called for the mandates to assist the people to independence. Britain violated the covenant by pushing the people aside and promoting the agenda of foreigners.

Why do you always deny the Jews their rights to free determination, and the treaty signed by the arab leaders giving Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The only people pushed aside were the Jews who saw their allocation promised and signed for reduced to desert and indefensible land surrounded by hostile terrorists. The only agenda promoted was that of the arab league that wanted all the land and were prepared to break signed treaties to acquire the land.

As I said before Palestine has been under constant occupation for over 2,000 years until 1948 when it was released by the Mandate and the UN.

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

 

[montelatici]

Why do you always deny the Jews their rights to free determination, and the treaty signed by the arab leaders giving Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The only people pushed aside were the Jews who saw their allocation promised and signed for reduced to desert and indefensible land surrounded by hostile terrorists. The only agenda promoted was that of the arab league that wanted all the land and were prepared to break signed treaties to acquire the land.

As I said before Palestine has been under constant occupation for over 2,000 years until 1948 when it was released by the Mandate and the UN.

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

What the heck are you talking about. Do some research before posting bullshit.


Palestinian Passport from 1943:

http://tinyurl.com/krgtv6r

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

What the heck are you talking about. Do some research before posting bullshit.


Palestinian Passport from 1943:

http://tinyurl.com/krgtv6r

If I may speak for toastman, I think he means it was not before the 1960's that the Arabs in Palestine began to talk about themselves as being a distinct people or nationality.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why do you always deny the Jews their rights to free determination, and the treaty signed by the arab leaders giving Palestine to the Jews as their homeland. The only people pushed aside were the Jews who saw their allocation promised and signed for reduced to desert and indefensible land surrounded by hostile terrorists. The only agenda promoted was that of the arab league that wanted all the land and were prepared to break signed treaties to acquire the land.

As I said before Palestine has been under constant occupation for over 2,000 years until 1948 when it was released by the Mandate and the UN.

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

Can you document that?

 

[Hossfly]

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

Can you document that?

Would you believe any documentation? I think not. You've been presented with hundreds and hundreds ofofficial documents and you belittle every one of them. Come up with your documents.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Surely Palestine has had more than its fair share of invasions, conquests, and occupations.

WWI was a turning point for Palestine. Palestine came into legal existence when it was separated from Turkish rule after WWI. Its land was defined by international borders. Palestinians were a nation of people distinct from their neighbors. The Palestinians were the citizens of Palestine.

The Palestinians had inalienable rights in Palestine, including:

(a) The right to self-determination without external interference;

(b) The right to national independence and sovereignty;

The only reference to foreigners is that external interference is illegal.

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

Can you document that?

See 315 on this string.

 

[P F Tinmore]

How could the Palestinians have been the citizens of Palestine then when Palestinians only came into existence in the mid 60's ?

Can you document that?

See 315 on this string.

OK, so?

That is a document?

 

[toastman]

Can you document that?

See 315 on this string.

OK, so?

That is a document?

Just because YOU need a document, that doesn't mean that one is ACTUALLY needed to prove it.

Also, whenever you ask for a link to prove a point someone made, and one is presented to you that says exactly what the person you are debating with claimed, you still deny things. So why do you even bother asking for links?