Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have to read the "entire" quote from the UK. I think the next line is important.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Unfortunately, the UN didn't have your leadership and guidance to direct the UNPC> So they didn't try to meet your requirements, which differ from the "Steps Preparatory to Independence."

Where are the documents showing what they did to implement the resolution. Dr. Eduardo Morgan said that we are done, we are out of here. Where are the thing they were supposed to do like physically laying out the proposed borders and setting up the jurisdiction of Jerusalem, among others?

(COMMENT)

There were three separate aspects to the Partition Plan.

• Jewish State
• Arab State
• Jerusalem

The UNPC only had to implement the portion that was preparatory to the independence of the Jewish State. The original boundaries did not deviate from that of the Partition Plan. What changed the boundaries was the conflict that immediately ensued.

The UNPC had to meet UN criteria and not the PF Tinmore criteria. The declarations and clarifications on, amoung other things, the boundaries, were discussed by the UN in enclosure to Application of Israel for admission to membership in the United Nations (A/818). These were accepted by the UN General Assembly and culminated in "Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations (A/RES/273)."

Most Respectfully,
R

(COMMENT)

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

(COMMENT)

There were two implied remarks in the:

• 11/20/1947 GA/PAL/76 UK states views on partition and unitary plans - Ad Hoc Cttee - Press release
  1. that His Majesty's Government could not play a major part in the implementation of a scheme that was not acceptable to both the Arabs and the Jews;
  2. that they would, however, not wish to impede the implementation of a recommendation approved by the General Assembly.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

(COMMENT)

There was no forced takeover. The application was review by both the Security Council and the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Roudy]

Jews could not serve in the Islamic military.

Nor could they participate in any sports events representing a Muslim nation, for example, the Olympics, no matter how good they are or how much they deserve it. This is how sick and disgusting Muslims are.

 

[Roudy]

Really now?

So was Martin Luther a "Satanist" when he wrote this?

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about King Charlamange when he forced conversions?
Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And all the other folks..

Forced conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You folks have a long and bloody history.

What exactly are you trying to say?

What's not clear to you?

Christianity has a long and very bloody history.

No relevance to today. Both religions have had a bloody past except Christianity has moved past it and Islam hasn't. In fact it wants to drag the rest of the world back to the medieval barbaric ages, by violence if necessary.

 

[proudveteran06]

Ob, and there was no takeover of Palestinian land. The Jews had their shit together, the Arabs didn't.

" Palestine" doesn't exist , It's a territory; Not a Country.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Unfortunately, the UN didn't have your leadership and guidance to direct the UNPC> So they didn't try to meet your requirements, which differ from the "Steps Preparatory to Independence."

Where are the documents showing what they did to implement the resolution. Dr. Eduardo Morgan said that we are done, we are out of here. Where are the thing they were supposed to do like physically laying out the proposed borders and setting up the jurisdiction of Jerusalem, among others?

(COMMENT)

There were three separate aspects to the Partition Plan.

• Jewish State
• Arab State
• Jerusalem

The UNPC only had to implement the portion that was preparatory to the independence of the Jewish State. The original boundaries did not deviate from that of the Partition Plan. What changed the boundaries was the conflict that immediately ensued.

The UNPC had to meet UN criteria and not the PF Tinmore criteria. The declarations and clarifications on, amoung other things, the boundaries, were discussed by the UN in enclosure to Application of Israel for admission to membership in the United Nations (A/818). These were accepted by the UN General Assembly and culminated in "Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations (A/RES/273)."

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

Yet since 1988 the ICJ has decreed that "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed." In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all.

This means that you are screwed along with Palestine, and you will have to stop Lying about Jews taking over Palestine as the PLO has said they didn't

 

[Phoenall]

Really now?

So was Martin Luther a "Satanist" when he wrote this?

On the Jews and Their Lies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

How about King Charlamange when he forced conversions?
Charlemagne - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And all the other folks..

Forced conversion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You folks have a long and bloody history.

What exactly are you trying to say?

What's not clear to you?

Christianity has a long and very bloody history.

While Islam has a very much shorter but very much more bloody history. Just how many Jews has islam murdered in the last 1400 years compared to the numbers killed by Christianity.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Unfortunately, the UN didn't have your leadership and guidance to direct the UNPC> So they didn't try to meet your requirements, which differ from the "Steps Preparatory to Independence."


(COMMENT)

There were three separate aspects to the Partition Plan.

• Jewish State
• Arab State
• Jerusalem

The UNPC only had to implement the portion that was preparatory to the independence of the Jewish State. The original boundaries did not deviate from that of the Partition Plan. What changed the boundaries was the conflict that immediately ensued.

The UNPC had to meet UN criteria and not the PF Tinmore criteria. The declarations and clarifications on, amoung other things, the boundaries, were discussed by the UN in enclosure to Application of Israel for admission to membership in the United Nations (A/818). These were accepted by the UN General Assembly and culminated in "Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations (A/RES/273)."

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

Yet since 1988 the ICJ has decreed that "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed." In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all.

This means that you are screwed along with Palestine, and you will have to stop Lying about Jews taking over Palestine as the PLO has said they didn't

No link?

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

Yet since 1988 the ICJ has decreed that "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed." In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all.

This means that you are screwed along with Palestine, and you will have to stop Lying about Jews taking over Palestine as the PLO has said they didn't

No link?

When you need a link try copying and pasting the sentence or passage into Google search and you will find links you want. Just a friendly tip to save time when you ask for links.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have to read the "entire" quote from the UK. I think the next line is important.

P F Tinmore, et al,

Unfortunately, the UN didn't have your leadership and guidance to direct the UNPC> So they didn't try to meet your requirements, which differ from the "Steps Preparatory to Independence."


(COMMENT)

There were three separate aspects to the Partition Plan.

• Jewish State
• Arab State
• Jerusalem

The UNPC only had to implement the portion that was preparatory to the independence of the Jewish State. The original boundaries did not deviate from that of the Partition Plan. What changed the boundaries was the conflict that immediately ensued.

The UNPC had to meet UN criteria and not the PF Tinmore criteria. The declarations and clarifications on, amoung other things, the boundaries, were discussed by the UN in enclosure to Application of Israel for admission to membership in the United Nations (A/818). These were accepted by the UN General Assembly and culminated in "Admission of Israel to membership in the United Nations (A/RES/273)."

Most Respectfully,
R

(COMMENT)

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

(COMMENT)

There were two implied remarks in the:

• 11/20/1947 GA/PAL/76 UK states views on partition and unitary plans - Ad Hoc Cttee - Press release
  1. that His Majesty's Government could not play a major part in the implementation of a scheme that was not acceptable to both the Arabs and the Jews;
  2. that they would, however, not wish to impede the implementation of a recommendation approved by the General Assembly.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

(COMMENT)

There was no forced takeover. The application was review by both the Security Council and the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

 

[Phoenall]

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

Yet since 1988 the ICJ has decreed that "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed." In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all.

This means that you are screwed along with Palestine, and you will have to stop Lying about Jews taking over Palestine as the PLO has said they didn't

No link?

Yes one that you have used, but never fully

United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Resolution as a legal basis for Palestinian statehood[edit]

In 1988, the Palestine Liberation Organization published the Palestinian Declaration of Independence relying on Resolution 181, arguing that the resolution continues to provide international legitimacy for the right of the Palestinian people to sovereignty and national independence.[94] A number of scholars have written in support of this view.[95][96][97]

A General Assembly request for an advisory opinion, Resolution ES-10/14 (2004), specifically cited resolution 181(II) as a "relevant resolution", and asked the International Court of Justice (ICJ) what are the legal consequences of the relevant Security Council and General Assembly resolutions. Judge Abdul Koroma explained the majority opinion: "The Court has also held that the right of self-determination as an established and recognized right under international law applies to the territory and to the Palestinian people. Accordingly, the exercise of such right entitles the Palestinian people to a State of their own as originally envisaged in resolution 181 (II) and subsequently confirmed."[98] In response, Prof. Paul De Waart said that the Court put the legality of the 1922 League of Nations Palestine Mandate and the 1947 UN Plan of Partition beyond doubt once and for all.[99]

Game set and match to the good guys I believe, and a massive fail for you

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have to read the "entire" quote from the UK. I think the next line is important.

(COMMENT)

Britain, as the mandate, refused to implement resolution 181 because it was not approved by both sides. The Security Council was faced with the prospect of having to implement it by force and it was not willing to do that. The US was proposing an alternate plan.

(COMMENT)

There were two implied remarks in the:

• 11/20/1947 GA/PAL/76 UK states views on partition and unitary plans - Ad Hoc Cttee - Press release
  1. that His Majesty's Government could not play a major part in the implementation of a scheme that was not acceptable to both the Arabs and the Jews;
  2. that they would, however, not wish to impede the implementation of a recommendation approved by the General Assembly.

Then Israel unilaterally declared independence completely separate from the UN. There are some legal problems with this forced takeover of Palestinian land.

(COMMENT)

There was no forced takeover. The application was review by both the Security Council and the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

No they left because the arab armies demanded they leave or be shot.


What link ?

 

[Sallow]

What exactly are you trying to say?

What's not clear to you?

Christianity has a long and very bloody history.

While Islam has a very much shorter but very much more bloody history. Just how many Jews has islam murdered in the last 1400 years compared to the numbers killed by Christianity.

You really shouldn't go there.

Christians have murdered millions upon millions of Jews.

So many that Pope John Paul had to apologize.

Then Nazi Pope Benedict had to go and ruin it.

Pope ends year as he began it -- with apology to Jews - CNN.com

He started the year by welcoming a Holocaust-denying bishop back into the fold, and ended it by putting the controversial World War II-era Pope Pius XII one step closer to sainthood. Both caused uproars.

"It seems that the pope doesn't always know what's going out under his name, or the impact of what's going out under his name, which is very strange to observe because John Paul II was so media-savvy," said Ruth Ellen Gruber, a Jewish journalist and author who has long been based in Rome.

The Pius XII episode "seems to be yet again a case where they didn't estimate what the response would be," Gruber said.

In both cases the pope quickly found himself having to explain and clarify.

He lifted the decades-old excommunication of Bishop Richard Williamson in January, part of an effort to reconcile an ultra-conservative movement with the Vatican. Three other bishops associated with the Society of St. Pius X were un-excommunicated at the same time.

Seriously..you guys couldn't find anyone better?

Thankfully..Francis is Pope now.

I like the guy.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I think you have to read the "entire" quote from the UK. I think the next line is important.


(COMMENT)

There were two implied remarks in the:

• 11/20/1947 GA/PAL/76 UK states views on partition and unitary plans - Ad Hoc Cttee - Press release
  1. that His Majesty's Government could not play a major part in the implementation of a scheme that was not acceptable to both the Arabs and the Jews;
  2. that they would, however, not wish to impede the implementation of a recommendation approved by the General Assembly.

(COMMENT)

There was no forced takeover. The application was review by both the Security Council and the General Assembly.

Most Respectfully,
R

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

No they left because the arab armies demanded they leave or be shot.


What link ?

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

 

[Phoenall]

What's not clear to you?

Christianity has a long and very bloody history.

While Islam has a very much shorter but very much more bloody history. Just how many Jews has islam murdered in the last 1400 years compared to the numbers killed by Christianity.

You really shouldn't go there.

Christians have murdered millions upon millions of Jews.

So many that Pope John Paul had to apologize.

Then Nazi Pope Benedict had to go and ruin it.

Pope ends year as he began it -- with apology to Jews - CNN.com

He started the year by welcoming a Holocaust-denying bishop back into the fold, and ended it by putting the controversial World War II-era Pope Pius XII one step closer to sainthood. Both caused uproars.

"It seems that the pope doesn't always know what's going out under his name, or the impact of what's going out under his name, which is very strange to observe because John Paul II was so media-savvy," said Ruth Ellen Gruber, a Jewish journalist and author who has long been based in Rome.

The Pius XII episode "seems to be yet again a case where they didn't estimate what the response would be," Gruber said.

In both cases the pope quickly found himself having to explain and clarify.

He lifted the decades-old excommunication of Bishop Richard Williamson in January, part of an effort to reconcile an ultra-conservative movement with the Vatican. Three other bishops associated with the Society of St. Pius X were un-excommunicated at the same time.

Seriously..you guys couldn't find anyone better?

Thankfully..Francis is Pope now.

I like the guy.

You can like him all you want the fact remains that muslims have mass murdered more Jews than the Christians ever did. In Spain alone nearly 1 million were massacred during the Islamic reign. Then look at the population figures for the M.E. and see how many Jews have been murdered by muslims, because they sure haven't migrated to other countries or the population figures for them would have risen.

You cant put together a better argument than this to defend and support your fellow ISLAMONAZIS, is it any wonder you are getting your buts kicked by minute Israel.

 

[Phoenall]

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

No they left because the arab armies demanded they leave or be shot.


What link ?

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

Not according to the arabs themselves who were told to leave, or are you calling them LIARS as well ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

No they left because the arab armies demanded they leave or be shot.

What link ?

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

Not according to the arabs themselves who were told to leave, or are you calling them LIARS as well ?

It was still only a few percent.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

Not according to the arabs themselves who were told to leave, or are you calling them LIARS as well ?

It was still only a few percent.

By a few you mean how many percent and can you prove it with a link?

 

[toastman]

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

No they left because the arab armies demanded they leave or be shot.


What link ?

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

Many Palestinians were expelled during the 1948 war and the 6 day war.
I have no problem admitting that.
But, they're not coming back. That's just they way it is Tinmore.
They should have convinced the Palestinian militia groups and the surrounding Arab states not to attack Israel.

Too little too late.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Just a short follow-on.

Sure, 750,000 Palestinians left theiy homes because Israel said please.

BTW, your link calls Palestine a country twice.

(COMMENT)

Refugee columns are not unusual in any war. There is not one single reason for a community to abandon their homes and move out of the theater of combat military operations. Some will move as a matter of common sense and to avoid becoming collateral casualties. Some will move on because, as non-combatants, they are being evacuated to avoid unnecessary casualties. Some will be move out of the area because the represent a fifth columnist threat to rear area operations. There are many reasons for a refugee column to form. You are only focused on one of them.

Second, in respect to the attachment of the word "country" --- you will no doubt notice that in this regard, the Government of that named country was the UK, and not the Palestinians. In no way did anything in the link remotely suggest that the Arab Palestinians had a "country." In fact, no Arab-Palestinian Government was even mentioned in the link. The word "country" was never used in the context of an Arab Palestinian Government or sovereignty. The status of the territory, held in trust by the UK as the Mandatory, was then (in that time frame - 20 November 1947) and unequivocally stated in a release on (PAL/138) 27 February 1948, concerning the Successor Government, as a "legal entity but it is not a sovereign state."

It can be made no more plain then that; in the proper context.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Typical Israeli lie!

Only a few percent left by request of Arab leaders.

Not according to the arabs themselves who were told to leave, or are you calling them LIARS as well ?

It was still only a few percent.

Around about 95% that moved out at the demands of the arab armies, the other 5% were insurgents that fought alongside the arab armies and were forced to leave Israel as a result. Unless you have a link from a creditable source that says otherwise