Abbas suggests Obama promised 67 lines - E. Jerusalem

[Phoenall]

The first indication that the PLO would be willing to accept a two-state solution, on at least an interim basis, was articulated by Said Hammami in the mid-1970s.

Security Council resolutions dating back to June 1976 supporting the two-state solution based on the pre-1967 lines were vetoed by the United States

Two-state solution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first proposal for the creation of Jewish and Arab states in the British Mandate of Palestine was made in the Peel Commission report of 1937, with the Mandate continuing to cover only a small area containing Jerusalem. The recommended partition proposal was rejected by the Arab community of Palestine;[5][6] was accepted by most of the Jewish leadership; Later rejected by the British government as impracticable.[7]

Partition was again proposed by the 1947 UN Partition plan for the division of Palestine. It proposed a three-way division, again with Jerusalem held separately, under international control. The partition plan was accepted by the Jewish leadership. However, the plan was rejected by the leadership of Arab nations and the Palestinian leadership at the time, which opposed any partition of Palestine and any Jewish presence in the area. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War for control of the disputed land broke out soon afterwards.


This came from HIS thread !!!!!!

Later rejected by the British government as impracticable.

And Britain would not implement partition in 1947 for the same reason.

And what makes it more practicable now when partition is called the two state solution?

Now it is too late for any plan devised before 2014 to be implemented. Why not go back to 1924 and the conference that set up the whole thing. We can keep going back until islam was not invented and the same thing is shown every time . The Jews have more rights to Palestine than the arab muslims

 

[Phoenall]

And Britain would not implement partition in 1947 for the same reason.

And what makes it more practicable now when partition is called the two state solution?

Not true. Had the Arabs accepted the partition it would have went through

Why should they have accepted something that was impracticable?

Yet you are demanding that Israel accept something now that is not just impracticable but suicide. The 1947 partinion plan is ancient history, as are the 67 ceasefire lines. Now we are in 2014 and the PLO has already granted Israel most of the west bank under the oslo accords, so live with the reality that Israel is in the west bank due to Palestinian stupidity.

 

[Phoenall]

I didn't say they had to, that's not the issue.

But Had they done so, they would have more territory than the 67 borders .

Even Abbas said it was a mistake to reject it

What the Palestinian means is that they shouldn't accept ANY " Two State Solution "

It is a bizarre thing to ask them to accept.

No other country in the world would accept it.

Yet we see just this in the former Yugoslavia were muslims caused civil war and the portioning of a nation into smaller nations. Then more recently we have seen more muslim violence causing the partition of Sudan into 2 states, and the muslims still want it all.

 

[Phoenall]

It is a bizarre thing to ask them to accept.

No other country in the world would accept it.

Agreed, no other other country would accept that, but since Palestine was not a country in 1947, and had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land, it's not the same as saying ' no other country would accept it'

Now all you have to do is to get millions of Palestinians to believe that shit.

It is easy to do just tell them they have two choices return to were you came from or be evicted. If they don't like it ask Jordan and Egypt to change their minds for them.

 

[toastman]

It is a bizarre thing to ask them to accept.

No other country in the world would accept it.

Agreed, no other other country would accept that, but since Palestine was not a country in 1947, and had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land, it's not the same as saying ' no other country would accept it'

Now all you have to do is to get millions of Palestinians to believe that shit.

What did I say that was incorrect?? Why is it that the documented truth is 'shit' to you? What does convincing the Palestinians about the truth have to do with anything??

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not true. Had the Arabs accepted the partition it would have went through

Why should they have accepted something that was impracticable?

Yet you are demanding that Israel accept something now that is not just impracticable but suicide. The 1947 partinion plan is ancient history, as are the 67 ceasefire lines. Now we are in 2014 and the PLO has already granted Israel most of the west bank under the oslo accords, so live with the reality that Israel is in the west bank due to Palestinian stupidity.

The armistice lines never were borders.

Oslo was a five year framework toward a peace agreement. None of the proposals made in Oslo mean anything until a peace agreement is signed.

Partition has never been the solution. Partition has always been the problem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Agreed, no other other country would accept that, but since Palestine was not a country in 1947, and had NO SOVEREIGNTY over the land, it's not the same as saying ' no other country would accept it'

Now all you have to do is to get millions of Palestinians to believe that shit.

What did I say that was incorrect?? Why is it that the documented truth is 'shit' to you? What does convincing the Palestinians about the truth have to do with anything??

The document that created the mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

What documents do you have that contradicts this?

 

[toastman]

Now all you have to do is to get millions of Palestinians to believe that shit.

What did I say that was incorrect?? Why is it that the documented truth is 'shit' to you? What does convincing the Palestinians about the truth have to do with anything??

The document that created the mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

What documents do you have that contradicts this?

I have facts that prove Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988.
Why would you ask me for documents that contradict what you said when you know Im right?
Why are you debating facts that are not up for debate?

 

[P F Tinmore]

What did I say that was incorrect?? Why is it that the documented truth is 'shit' to you? What does convincing the Palestinians about the truth have to do with anything??

The document that created the mandate called Palestine a country ten times.

What documents do you have that contradicts this?

I have facts that prove Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988.
Why would you ask me for documents that contradict what you said when you know Im right?
Why are you debating facts that are not up for debate?

I just asked you to post your "facts."

You ducked.

 

[Sallow]

You are just a NAZI POS ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATING WORM

Oookay.

But before we continue.

Jesus Christ is not your lord and savior, right?

He is NOT the messiah.

Agree or not?

No, he is not our " Lord and Savior" but so what?

Below are a List of Non- Christian Religions. I will add two more; Athiests and Agnostics

Buddhism
• Confucianism
• Hinduism
• Islam
• Janism
• Judaism
• Paganism
• Sikhism
• Shintoism
• Taoism
• Zoroastrianism


Athiests

Agnostics


Why does it always bother Fake Bible Thumpers so much that ONLY the Jewish people don't believe what THEY believe? Better question; Why should it bother them about what ANYONE believes?

Wait, what?

First off the question was not directed at you.

Secondly Atheism is not a religion. Agnostics are religious folks that question the existence of a god, so it's not a "separate" religion.

And I don't know who you are calling a fake bible thumper.

 

[toastman]

You need me to post proof that Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988???????

 

[Sallow]

Then why were you asking Phoenall about Jesus as the Messiah if you knew he was not Jewish? Have you ever thought that many readers think you "suck up" to the Islamic terrorists who are busy murdering innocent people? It's so obvious how the anti-Semites turn a blind eye to what is happening in the rest of the Middle East and the rest of the Muslim world. Since there are now so many intermarriages in the U.S., do you honestly think that most Christians want the Jews to make a beeline to Israel. They know that is not going to happen so you only are displaying your own stupidity for stating what you did.

Well, yeah..I do.

The perpetrators of the Holocaust were Christians.

The biggest mass murderers of Jewish people, ever.

Times have changed, Sallow, in case you don't realize it. Are we in the U.S. not friends with Germany and Japan these days? Meanwhile, why not tell us who are mass murderers of innocent people in many areas of the world today? I don't think it is the Christians since they appear to be the most persecuted group today. However, why not take a chance and wander through some country where you would be considered an Infidel and see how you make out. You can always tell them that you are busy on forums demonizing their enemies and see how they react to that.

So it's "Holocaust Schmolocaust" times have changed, eh?

And the US just had a bloody ol' time in Iraq, recently..didn't they? The majority of the 100,000 or so people killed were done so by a nation that you cite as mostly Christian, right?

Christians, historically, view themselves as "persecuted", gin up the crimes, vilify a group of people and then massacre them. The Holocaust was not the first time this was done.

And apparently, not the last.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need me to post proof that Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988???????

No. That wasn't the question.

 

[Sallow]

You are just a NAZI POS ANTI SEMETIC JEW HATING WORM

Oookay.

But before we continue.

Jesus Christ is not your lord and savior, right?

He is NOT the messiah.

Agree or not?

NO I don't agree, I am a Christian from Britain. Burst your bubble didn't I

Of course you didn't burst my bubble.

I knew what you were from the jump.

And the Nazi tag fits you, chief. Moreso than it fits me.

I come from a family that has a good number of people who believe in the Jewish faith.

You really should be careful when you throw that tag around.

Makes you look like an idiot.

 

[toastman]

You need me to post proof that Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988???????

No. That wasn't the question.

Was Palestine a sovereign nation in 1947 ? YES OR NO?

Did Palestinian Arabs have any sovereignty over the entire land of Palestine? YES OR NO?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You need me to post proof that Palestine became a sovereign nation in 1988???????

No. That wasn't the question.

Was Palestine a sovereign nation in 1947 ? YES OR NO?

Did Palestinian Arabs have any sovereignty over the entire land of Palestine? YES OR NO?

Those weren't the question either.

The right to self determination without external interference does not require sovereignty.

That is a useless question.

 

[toastman]

Why are you scared to answer the questions
And no they are not useless questions, but I notice you say that quite often over questions you don't like to answer or topics you don't like to discuss

 

[Sallow]

Then why were you asking Phoenall about Jesus as the Messiah if you knew he was not Jewish? Have you ever thought that many readers think you "suck up" to the Islamic terrorists who are busy murdering innocent people? It's so obvious how the anti-Semites turn a blind eye to what is happening in the rest of the Middle East and the rest of the Muslim world. Since there are now so many intermarriages in the U.S., do you honestly think that most Christians want the Jews to make a beeline to Israel. They know that is not going to happen so you only are displaying your own stupidity for stating what you did.

Well, yeah..I do.

The perpetrators of the Holocaust were Christians.

The biggest mass murderers of Jewish people, ever.

And you would be wrong again as the German leaders were Satanists, and Hitler is alleged to have converted to islam.

My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.

-Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942

 

[P F Tinmore]

Why are you scared to answer the questions?

It is only a diversion from the discussion. It has no meaning.

 

[toastman]

Why are you scared to answer the questions?

It is only a diversion from the discussion. It has no meaning.

Its not a diversion. You are diverting by refusing to answer them.

So, can you please answer the two questions and stop ducking?