Abbas’ Palestine: No Jews Allowed

[Coyote]

Except Abbas never said that.

Palestinians: Yes to Jews, no to settlers in our state

Back in Jan 2014. Before that and after that, he sings a different tune


Abbas: Arabs in Israel; No Jews in Palestine | commentary

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/.../abbas-arabs-in-is...
Commentary
As the Times of Israel reports, Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli ...
Abbas: 'Not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state ...

www.jpost.com/.../Abbas-wants-not-a-single-Israeli-in...
The Jerusalem Post
Jul 30, 2013 - Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish ...
Abbas's UNHRC speech is - Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com/.../Israel-Abbass-UNHRC-is-the-banal...
The Jerusalem Post
Oct 28, 2015 - Abbas made no mention of the 11 Israelis killed by Palestinian ... me be very clear: the days of spilling Jewish blood without Jews allowed to ...

Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine | The ...

www.timesofisrael.com › Israel & the Region
The Times of Israel
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas meets Egyptian interim President ... Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain ... solution that would halt projects in smaller outlying Jewish communities in ...
Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ...

www.investigativeproject.org/.../abbas-filthy-jews-feet-not-allowed-on-te...
Sep 17, 2015 - Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ... "The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours... and they have no right to defile it with their filthy feet ...
No Israelis in future Palestinian state, Abbas says | Jewish ...

www.jta.org/.../no-jews-in-future-palestinian-...
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian ...
Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in ...

www.newsbusters.org/.../media-ignore-palestinian-talk-n...
NewsBusters.org
Sep 22, 2011 - Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in Palestinian State ... blatant statements of President Abbas - and allowed the Palestinian ...
Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed ...

www.thetower.org/2478-abbas-appointed-mufti-no-jewish-place-of-wors...
Oct 26, 2015 - Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed on Temple ... saying that Jews will now be allowed to defile al-Aqsa Mosque.

This is one thing the Pro-Israeli faction seems very intent on lying about.

Abbas never said "no Jews in Palestine".

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.​

No ISRAELI's. The inhabitants of Palestine would be Palestinians - whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other.

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

So you defend him when he says that he will evict 1 million people from their lands bought legally prior to 1949 and make Palestine a Jew free nation.

What are you talking about? This is probably the fourth or fifth time I've said this but it hasn't sunk in. I oppose any forced expulsions.

Read the Palestinian charter that states NO JEWS in Palestine
The PLO Charter
Article 6: The Jews who had normally resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion will be considered Palestinians.

We're talking about what Abbas said.

Even looking at that Charter - for what it's worth - it says nothing about expelling Jews. Just who would be considered "Palestinian" - citizens. Nowhere does it state "no Jews".

Now when did the Zionist invasion start, as history shows that in was 1875............. This is what Abbass uses as his base for " no Israelis" and shows that you are once again not looking at the full faccts and just going along with those that demonise Israel and the Jews

Abbas used as his basis for "no Israeli's" - the issue of settlements and of Israeli security forces that would be needed to protect them. Stop frothing at the mouth about "demonizing" and look at the actual facts.

 

[Coyote]

Except that Abbas is in a political position to make his dreams come true.

No he's not. He's an Israeli *****, doing what he's told, like a good little whore.

How about a link that is not sourced to the islamonazis then to prove your claims ?

Like your "zionazi" links?

 

[jillian]

Abbas’ Palestine: No Jews Allowed

One of the many reasons there will never be the " Two State Solution"

well, there should be a two state solution.

but it's not going to happen until the pals disavow their intent to destroy Israel... like they already agreed to do but have never done.

 

[aris2chat]

Back in Jan 2014. Before that and after that, he sings a different tune


Abbas: Arabs in Israel; No Jews in Palestine | commentary

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/.../abbas-arabs-in-is...
Commentary
As the Times of Israel reports, Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli ...
Abbas: 'Not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state ...

www.jpost.com/.../Abbas-wants-not-a-single-Israeli-in...
The Jerusalem Post
Jul 30, 2013 - Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish ...
Abbas's UNHRC speech is - Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com/.../Israel-Abbass-UNHRC-is-the-banal...
The Jerusalem Post
Oct 28, 2015 - Abbas made no mention of the 11 Israelis killed by Palestinian ... me be very clear: the days of spilling Jewish blood without Jews allowed to ...

Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine | The ...

www.timesofisrael.com › Israel & the Region
The Times of Israel
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas meets Egyptian interim President ... Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain ... solution that would halt projects in smaller outlying Jewish communities in ...
Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ...

www.investigativeproject.org/.../abbas-filthy-jews-feet-not-allowed-on-te...
Sep 17, 2015 - Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ... "The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours... and they have no right to defile it with their filthy feet ...
No Israelis in future Palestinian state, Abbas says | Jewish ...

www.jta.org/.../no-jews-in-future-palestinian-...
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian ...
Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in ...

www.newsbusters.org/.../media-ignore-palestinian-talk-n...
NewsBusters.org
Sep 22, 2011 - Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in Palestinian State ... blatant statements of President Abbas - and allowed the Palestinian ...
Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed ...

www.thetower.org/2478-abbas-appointed-mufti-no-jewish-place-of-wors...
Oct 26, 2015 - Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed on Temple ... saying that Jews will now be allowed to defile al-Aqsa Mosque.

This is one thing the Pro-Israeli faction seems very intent on lying about.

Abbas never said "no Jews in Palestine".

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.​

No ISRAELI's. The inhabitants of Palestine would be Palestinians - whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other.

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

More than what Abbas says in english, you need to follow what he says in arabic to his people. Use translations from MEMRI and their videos, so you can hear the arabic as well.
Listen to the sermons ans speeches by religious and political leaders. Listen to what children and teens are taught.

If your only frame of reference is the reports of what he says in english, you are missing 90% of the truth.

 

[Coyote]

This is one thing the Pro-Israeli faction seems very intent on lying about.

Abbas never said "no Jews in Palestine".

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.​

No ISRAELI's. The inhabitants of Palestine would be Palestinians - whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other.

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

More than what Abbas says in english, you need to follow what he says in arabic to his people. Use translations from MEMRI and their videos, so you can hear the arabic as well.
Listen to the sermons ans speeches by religious and political leaders. Listen to what children and teens are taught.

If your only frame of reference is the reports of what he says in english, you are missing 90% of the truth.

Aris - why would I trust MEMRI any more than, say ElectronicInfitada? They are a pro-Israel propoganda group and I suspect they put their own spin on things. Look at what was claimed about Palestinian textbooks that was debunked. So much of this seems to be a war of competing propoganda.

 

[Daniyel]

Back in Jan 2014. Before that and after that, he sings a different tune


Abbas: Arabs in Israel; No Jews in Palestine | commentary

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/.../abbas-arabs-in-is...
Commentary
As the Times of Israel reports, Abbas left no doubt about what his vision of peace entails: “In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli ...
Abbas: 'Not a single Israeli' in future Palestinian state ...

www.jpost.com/.../Abbas-wants-not-a-single-Israeli-in...
The Jerusalem Post
Jul 30, 2013 - Abbas said that no Israeli settlers or border forces could remain in a future Palestinian state and that Palestinians deem illegal all Jewish ...
Abbas's UNHRC speech is - Jerusalem Post

www.jpost.com/.../Israel-Abbass-UNHRC-is-the-banal...
The Jerusalem Post
Oct 28, 2015 - Abbas made no mention of the 11 Israelis killed by Palestinian ... me be very clear: the days of spilling Jewish blood without Jews allowed to ...

Abbas pledges: There will be no Israelis in Palestine | The ...

www.timesofisrael.com › Israel & the Region
The Times of Israel
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas meets Egyptian interim President ... Abbas told reporters in Egypt that no Israelis would be allowed to remain ... solution that would halt projects in smaller outlying Jewish communities in ...
Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ...

www.investigativeproject.org/.../abbas-filthy-jews-feet-not-allowed-on-te...
Sep 17, 2015 - Abbas: "Filthy" Jews' Feet Not Allowed on Temple Mount ... "The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours... and they have no right to defile it with their filthy feet ...
No Israelis in future Palestinian state, Abbas says | Jewish ...

www.jta.org/.../no-jews-in-future-palestinian-...
Jewish Telegraphic Agency
Jul 30, 2013 - Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas told Egyptian journalists that no Israelis, civilians or soldiers, will remain in a future Palestinian ...
Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in ...

www.newsbusters.org/.../media-ignore-palestinian-talk-n...
NewsBusters.org
Sep 22, 2011 - Media Ignore Palestinian Talk of No Jews Allowed in Palestinian State ... blatant statements of President Abbas - and allowed the Palestinian ...
Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed ...

www.thetower.org/2478-abbas-appointed-mufti-no-jewish-place-of-wors...
Oct 26, 2015 - Abbas-Appointed Mufti: No Jewish Place of Worship Existed on Temple ... saying that Jews will now be allowed to defile al-Aqsa Mosque.

This is one thing the Pro-Israeli faction seems very intent on lying about.

Abbas never said "no Jews in Palestine".

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.​

No ISRAELI's. The inhabitants of Palestine would be Palestinians - whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other.

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

 

[Coyote]

This is one thing the Pro-Israeli faction seems very intent on lying about.

Abbas never said "no Jews in Palestine".

“In a final resolution, we would not see the presence of a single Israeli — civilian or soldier — on our lands,” Abbas said following a meeting with interim Egyptian President Adly Mansour in Cairo.​

No ISRAELI's. The inhabitants of Palestine would be Palestinians - whether they were Jewish, Muslim, Christian, or other.

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

 

[Coyote]

Abbas’ Palestine: No Jews Allowed

One of the many reasons there will never be the " Two State Solution"

well, there should be a two state solution.

but it's not going to happen until the pals disavow their intent to destroy Israel... like they already agreed to do but have never done.

They need to recognize Israel's right to exist as a sovereign state - can't really negotiate much without that. Likewise, Israel needs to recognize the Palestinians right to a state which is currently questionable.

 

[Daniyel]

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

 

[aris2chat]

And we all know when he says Israeli, Zionist or any of a thousand other terms he really means Jew. And this is spelt out in the charters of both hamas and fatah

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

More than what Abbas says in english, you need to follow what he says in arabic to his people. Use translations from MEMRI and their videos, so you can hear the arabic as well.
Listen to the sermons ans speeches by religious and political leaders. Listen to what children and teens are taught.

If your only frame of reference is the reports of what he says in english, you are missing 90% of the truth.

Aris - why would I trust MEMRI any more than, say ElectronicInfitada? They are a pro-Israel propoganda group and I suspect they put their own spin on things. Look at what was claimed about Palestinian textbooks that was debunked. So much of this seems to be a war of competing propoganda.

Their translations are reliable, even if you question the choice of articles and video clips they use. If they were not controversial, the mainstream news would be suing them around the world. Many mainstream news broadcasters use MEMRI translation for news clips.
Electronic Intifada is bias propaganda. MEMRI translates stories and clip that the mainstream does not know about or did not bother to translate because of bias. MEMRI does not manufacture what they report, they translate it to a dozen languages so others can be aware of them.

Do you read a dozen arabic newspapers each day to see what they are saying? Do you read French, German, Turkish, Farsi, Italian papers to read what they say in their own language for their own audiences? Do you know what Japanese, Indian, Chinese, etc., are saying in their own language? That is the point of MEMRI. Articles no written for the english speaking audience, but perhaps articles that would be useful to be aware of.

Same way Abbas says two different things, one in arabic and one in english for differing audiences. Every news paper has the english, but the arabic needs to be translated so the rest of the world knows what he is telling his own people, especially when different than his english speeches. You want to rely on google, see how well you understand the translation of a long article. Compare what google says to what MEMRI translation. They won't be radically different, just better translations. MEMRI has links to the originals for you to compare as well as links to the original clips. Do your own examinations, check them each out. Hire translators online if you don't trust MEMRI and then compare. Problem is not translations but the fact you might not like to hear or read the truth. It is just what is being broadcast on arab TV, radio and printed on arab news.

 

[Coyote]

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

More than what Abbas says in english, you need to follow what he says in arabic to his people. Use translations from MEMRI and their videos, so you can hear the arabic as well.
Listen to the sermons ans speeches by religious and political leaders. Listen to what children and teens are taught.

If your only frame of reference is the reports of what he says in english, you are missing 90% of the truth.

Aris - why would I trust MEMRI any more than, say ElectronicInfitada? They are a pro-Israel propoganda group and I suspect they put their own spin on things. Look at what was claimed about Palestinian textbooks that was debunked. So much of this seems to be a war of competing propoganda.

Their translations are reliable, even if you question the choice of articles and video clips they use. If they were not controversial, the mainstream news would be suing them around the world. Many mainstream news broadcasters use MEMRI translation for news clips.
Electronic Intifada is bias propaganda. MEMRI translates stories and clip that the mainstream does not know about or did not bother to translate because of bias. MEMRI does not manufacture what they report, they translate it to a dozen languages so others can be aware of them.

Do you read a dozen arabic newspapers each day to see what they are saying? Do you read French, German, Turkish, Farsi, Italian papers to read what they say in their own language for their own audiences? Do you know what Japanese, Indian, Chinese, etc., are saying in their own language? That is the point of MEMRI. Articles no written for the english speaking audience, but perhaps articles that would be useful to be aware of.

Same way Abbas says two different things, one in arabic and one in english for differing audiences. Every news paper has the english, but the arabic needs to be translated so the rest of the world knows what he is telling his own people, especially when different than his english speeches. You want to rely on google, see how well you understand the translation of a long article. Compare what google says to what MEMRI translation. They won't be radically different, just better translations. MEMRI has links to the originals for you to compare as well as links to the original clips. Do your own examinations, check them each out. Hire translators online if you don't trust MEMRI and then compare. Problem is not translations but the fact you might not like to hear or read the truth. It is just what is being broadcast on arab TV, radio and printed on arab news.

Middle East Media Research Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Coyote]

He says specifically "Israeli" and he says it in the context of a discussion involving Israeli-controlled enclaves (settlements) in a future Palestinian state. He has said that residents would be Palestinian citizens, not Israeli citizens. It's not rocket science if you actually read his words and understand the context rather than depending on propoganda who's main aim is to demonize all things Palestinian. Now - as to whether Jews would feel secure being Palestinian citizens were state to be created that would force them to make a choice - I don't know, but I would have a lot of trepidition staying on in Palestine given the degree of distrust and hatred of each side for the other. But that has nothing to do with what Abbas has said.

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

 

[aris2chat]

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

More than what Abbas says in english, you need to follow what he says in arabic to his people. Use translations from MEMRI and their videos, so you can hear the arabic as well.
Listen to the sermons ans speeches by religious and political leaders. Listen to what children and teens are taught.

If your only frame of reference is the reports of what he says in english, you are missing 90% of the truth.

Aris - why would I trust MEMRI any more than, say ElectronicInfitada? They are a pro-Israel propoganda group and I suspect they put their own spin on things. Look at what was claimed about Palestinian textbooks that was debunked. So much of this seems to be a war of competing propoganda.

Their translations are reliable, even if you question the choice of articles and video clips they use. If they were not controversial, the mainstream news would be suing them around the world. Many mainstream news broadcasters use MEMRI translation for news clips.
Electronic Intifada is bias propaganda. MEMRI translates stories and clip that the mainstream does not know about or did not bother to translate because of bias. MEMRI does not manufacture what they report, they translate it to a dozen languages so others can be aware of them.

Do you read a dozen arabic newspapers each day to see what they are saying? Do you read French, German, Turkish, Farsi, Italian papers to read what they say in their own language for their own audiences? Do you know what Japanese, Indian, Chinese, etc., are saying in their own language? That is the point of MEMRI. Articles no written for the english speaking audience, but perhaps articles that would be useful to be aware of.

Same way Abbas says two different things, one in arabic and one in english for differing audiences. Every news paper has the english, but the arabic needs to be translated so the rest of the world knows what he is telling his own people, especially when different than his english speeches. You want to rely on google, see how well you understand the translation of a long article. Compare what google says to what MEMRI translation. They won't be radically different, just better translations. MEMRI has links to the originals for you to compare as well as links to the original clips. Do your own examinations, check them each out. Hire translators online if you don't trust MEMRI and then compare. Problem is not translations but the fact you might not like to hear or read the truth. It is just what is being broadcast on arab TV, radio and printed on arab news.

Middle East Media Research Institute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If everyone was reporting and translating, MEMRI would not need to. Yes they are selective, but when one language is inciting hate and violence, don't you want to know? Would you rather be like the three monkeys? Pretend there is no hate in the world because you get your news from feel good sites?
Knowledge is taking the good with the bad and weighing all evidence. If you watched only fox news, would you really be getting the whole story of every issue or event? If you watched only the business news, would you be fully aware of world events? If you watched only local news, would you know what was happening on the other side of the country?

MEMRI is providing the "other side" of what is being said and spread in arabic/farsi/pashtun by controversial and regular leaders.

Take the time to try and translate arabic articles yourself and compare them.

MEMRI does not just translate the hate but a wide selection of articles, some pro, some con, country/government/sect/leader, etc. Don't just read one source, check and cross check over the course of days or weeks. Not all sites post all news when it first comes out. I've seen major networks report weeks after I have found articles and posted them on one of my sites or social forums. I've seen things on twitter long before it makes the networks in any language. I find things in China news that might show up in a west news days later or only on selective topic sites, but not regular news.

Read the MEMRI and then check and double check the originals and other news sources around a month afterwards for the same facts or quotes. I use MEMRI, but not exclusively. I read news and articles from around the world and often in a number of languages. You might question stories about events in Germany, but when German language papers, French, Dutch, etc. all report the same thing, you might begin to accept the truth, at least of the main points and certain facts. Each paper might have their own perceptive and commentary, but the facts will remain consistent, only changing as new facts are uncovered and further investigated. "News" is fluid up to a point, but basic places, names, events will be the same and can be researched.

If the articles that MEMRI translate were not controversial or important there would be no need to report on or translate them for english/western readers. They are not giving you knitting patterns or recipes for eggplant.

 

[flacaltenn]

As far as the OP goes. I think it's bad enough for a primary leader to make statements excluding trade/commerce/open borders with their neighbor. Not a single Israeli in Palestine?

Well maybe then - not a single Palestinian treated in an Israeli hospital? Or studying at an Israeli institution? Or working in an Israeli business?

Good luck with that bunch of "sour grapes"...

 

[Daniyel]

We already been through that before, it's Hamas position not to rest until all Israelis are wiped from Israel.
Abbas have a different approach - An independent Palestinian state and the right to return for Palestinians in Israel (sort of two Palestinian states) so it's pretty all there is to be said, a Palestinian state with no access to Israelis "fair" enough.. but to "Palestinize" Israel - taking it's core out ('Jewish homeland') and..SERIOUSLY ?!

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

 

[Coyote]

We're not talking about Hamas though - we're talking about Abbas and what Abbas actually said versus what is claimed. Right of return won't happen and I think most recognize that.

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace” - International Middle East Media Center

 

[flacaltenn]

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace” - International Middle East Media Center

Well YEAH.. To talk peace with an occupied "nation", they REALLY SHOULD sign an armistice first. Acknowledge the legitimacy of Israel and allow Israel to decide "who returns".. Which is worse? Benji stating that Israel will control who "returns" --- or AbbaDabba stating NO ISRAELIS in Palestine?

 

[Daniyel]

Make no mistakes, Abbas along with the support of the Arab parties are pushing mutually for the right to return of Arabs (Palestinians or not) from all over the area to Israel,something that is not gonna happen..AND a Palestinian state, That's two things they want.
Hamas just want to wipe out Israel in the name of Allah.

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace” - International Middle East Media Center

Really? Read it again because all I see is a the usual Palestinian's preconditions that is being presented as Israel's preconditions while in fact it is a demand to drop such preconditions that were made by Abbas.
Read carefully - it's a known propaganda technique.
"and drop the internationally guaranteed Right of Return of the Palestinian Refugees."
'Intentionally Guaranteed'? Nope.
The only intentionally guaranteed issue is the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state (right of self determination RoccoR ) that Abbas has decided unlawfully to revoke in the first place since recognizing Israel as a Jewish state would mean no legal claim for Palestinians right to return, in other words this rounds the talk about a Palestinian state with no intervention in Israel as Abbas constantly demand.

 

[Coyote]

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace” - International Middle East Media Center

Really? Read it again because all I see is a the usual Palestinian's preconditions that is being presented as Israel's preconditions while in fact it is a demand to drop such preconditions that were made by Abbas.
Read carefully - it's a known propaganda technique.
"and drop the internationally guaranteed Right of Return of the Palestinian Refugees."
'Intentionally Guaranteed'? Nope.
The only intentionally guaranteed issue is the recognition of Israel as a Jewish state (right of self determination RoccoR ) that Abbas has decided unlawfully to revoke in the first place since recognizing Israel as a Jewish state would mean no legal claim for Palestinians right to return, in other words this rounds the talk about a Palestinian state with no intervention in Israel as Abbas constantly demand.

I read it as Israel's preconditions - that is what it is whether you agree or disagree with the validity of the conditions, it's still pre-conditions.

 

[Coyote]

It won't happen. I think that's pretty much a given and it does not have widespread international support. A Palestinian state is a fair objective but Netanyahu nixed that.

That is mostly because they insist on preconditions to peace talks such as releasing of terrorists, taking over Jerusalem, and the right of return.
So in the previous rounds Israel agreed over releasing terrorists for the sake of timed negotiations and peace talks but not anymore, that is why Abbas is trying to push one sided political options (unsuccessfully) and Bibi is putting pressure with settlements.

Israel is the same - only instead of calling it "preconditions to talks" they call it "precondtions to peace".

Name one.

Netanyahu Reiterates Israeli Preconditions For “Peace” - International Middle East Media Center

Well YEAH.. To talk peace with an occupied "nation", they REALLY SHOULD sign an armistice first. Acknowledge the legitimacy of Israel and allow Israel to decide "who returns".. Which is worse? Benji stating that Israel will control who "returns" --- or AbbaDabba stating NO ISRAELIS in Palestine?

And acknowledge the legitimacy of the Palestinians to a homeland. Nuttyahoo has said no Palestinian state.

Either way - he is setting PRECONDITIONS - no different than the Palestinians.