Abbas climbs on board

[ForeverYoung436]

Perhaps a little background will help.

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

That election was over a decade ago. Don't you think it's time to have another vote?

 

[Phoenall]

Abbas, a long time supporter of Israel is supporting Hamas's position on the ceasefire.

In a move that could effectively turn Abbas into the main Palestinian point person for any Gaza truce, his umbrella Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) on Wednesday formally supported core conditions set by the Hamas-led fighters.

These demands include the release of hundreds of Hamas supporters recently arrested in the nearby West Bank and an end to the Egyptian-Israeli blockade of Gaza, which has stymied the economy and made it near impossible for anyone to travel abroad.

Egypt has tried to get both sides to hold fire and then negotiate terms for protracted calm in Gaza, which has been rocked by regular bouts of violence since Israel unilaterally pulled out of the territory in 2005.

Hamas wants those guarantees up front instead of negotiating forever after a ceasefire.

Then it will be waiting forever for the ceasefire and the UN has already sided with Israel on this. They have shown themselves to be pig headed and violent so the WHOLW WORLD need promises from hamas and fatah that they will talk peace and mutual borders without pre conditions of face punitive restrictions like were imposed on South Africa

 

[Phoenall]

Perhaps a little background will help.

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

Try thinking of the arab spring in this context and you see that hamas were due to be eliminated outside of gaza, so they fled there to set up shop.

 

[flacaltenn]

Perhaps a little background will help.

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?

BBC News - Gaza conflict: Abbas backs Hamas ceasefire demands

Israel imposed restrictions on the Gaza Strip in 2006 after Hamas abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. The measures were tightened by Israel and Egypt in 2007 after Hamas ousted rival Fatah and forcibly took control in Gaza after winning elections the year before.

What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?

BBC News - Gaza conflict: Abbas backs Hamas ceasefire demands

Israel imposed restrictions on the Gaza Strip in 2006 after Hamas abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. The measures were tightened by Israel and Egypt in 2007 after Hamas ousted rival Fatah and forcibly took control in Gaza after winning elections the year before.

What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

after Hamas ousted rival Fatah and forcibly took control in Gaza after winning elections the year before.

Indeed.

 

[toastman]

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?

BBC News - Gaza conflict: Abbas backs Hamas ceasefire demands

Israel imposed restrictions on the Gaza Strip in 2006 after Hamas abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. The measures were tightened by Israel and Egypt in 2007 after Hamas ousted rival Fatah and forcibly took control in Gaza after winning elections the year before.

What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

The issue with Tinmore is that no matter how many links you provide him that clearly disproves his claim, he will still say that he's right and you're wrong.

 

[docmauser1]

Hamas was the elected government in office.

By expression of the collective choice, and collective choices have collective consequences, of course.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?

BBC News - Gaza conflict: Abbas backs Hamas ceasefire demands

Israel imposed restrictions on the Gaza Strip in 2006 after Hamas abducted Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit. The measures were tightened by Israel and Egypt in 2007 after Hamas ousted rival Fatah and forcibly took control in Gaza after winning elections the year before.

What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

The issue with Tinmore is that no matter how many links you provide him that clearly disproves his claim, he will still say that he's right and you're wrong.

What claim is disproved?

 

[Daniyel]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION]
Look I don't really want to post it again, but you keep saying Hamas are the legal government in Gaza.
I Published two videos and I got a library to show you HOW the took over Gaza, you don't realize who Hamas really are and you think the 'Government Unity' with Abbas/Fatah makes them saints.
Take a look, if you want more links I will provide you as many as you like.
The Hamas was elected similarly to the way Assad was elected right now in Syria, there is ZERO democratic elements except the word 'Election'.
I Don't know what is your perspective on Assad but anyway it is not about the Israel right now, its only about Hamas, you should research about them..
I can assure you that the Egyptians wasn't very friendly to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt when they tried to take over, but Gaza is far more chaotic once you add Israel to the frame, so take Israel out and see for yourself what we're talking about.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/367253-who-hamas-really-are.html

 

[Ropey]

I'd rather see him climbing on that board than this one:

 

[flacaltenn]

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?



What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

The issue with Tinmore is that no matter how many links you provide him that clearly disproves his claim, he will still say that he's right and you're wrong.

What claim is disproved?

It's no surprise that you dismiss the bloodshed that accompanied the Hamas "election". Thus my quote from the BBC about "FORCIBLY" taking control and the futility of "elections" if you purge and kill the losers.. But all that figures into your cognitive dissonance issue on the topic.. CLEARLY --- the partner in peace WAS the PA and not Hamas and MOST of the Arab League and the rest of world agrees..

 

[P F Tinmore]

[MENTION=21837]P F Tinmore[/MENTION]
Look I don't really want to post it again, but you keep saying Hamas are the legal government in Gaza.

This is a common piece of disinformation. Hamas was elected in all of Palestine, not just Gaza.

I Published two videos and I got a library to show you HOW the took over Gaza, you don't realize who Hamas really are and you think the 'Government Unity' with Abbas/Fatah makes them saints.
Take a look, if you want more links I will provide you as many as you like.

There is no question about the war between Hamas and Fatah in 2007. We have all heard a gazillion time about how Hamas "violently" took over Gaza. This is a big lie. The US/Israel did not like who the Palestinians elected in 2006. (Not that the Palestinians liked the assholes elected in the US/Israel.) Palestine was cut off from the outside world. To alleviate this blockade, The Palestinians constituted the Unity Government of 2007, Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia This was still not good enough so Fatah was armed and funded by the US to overthrow the elected government and put the losers back in power. This came to a head in June of 2007.

Hamas ran Fatah's military out of Gaza. This is when Abbas left the government and set up an illegal government in the West Bank. The liars call this illegal government the "Palestinian Authority."

The Hamas was elected similarly to the way Assad was elected right now in Syria, there is ZERO democratic elements except the word 'Election'.
I Don't know what is your perspective on Assad but anyway it is not about the Israel right now, its only about Hamas, you should research about them..
I can assure you that the Egyptians wasn't very friendly to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt when they tried to take over, but Gaza is far more chaotic once you add Israel to the frame, so take Israel out and see for yourself what we're talking about.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/israel-and-palestine/367253-who-hamas-really-are.html

 

[toastman]

When a person has trouble with facts and history "making no sense" -- it's generally time for an intervention of some type.. Because you aren't aware of how much cognitive dissonance is going on in your head.. Does the BBC statement of fact below -- "make no sense" to you?



What's the real meaning of "elections" if the losers are generally killed or run off?

The issue with Tinmore is that no matter how many links you provide him that clearly disproves his claim, he will still say that he's right and you're wrong.

What claim is disproved?

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The issue with Tinmore is that no matter how many links you provide him that clearly disproves his claim, he will still say that he's right and you're wrong.

What claim is disproved?

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

Not really. I will say that the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference.

He will respond by posting what foreigners did.

This does not refute what I posted, it confirms it.

 

[irosie91]

What claim is disproved?

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

Not really. I will say that the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference.

He will respond by posting what foreigners did.

This does not refute what I posted, it confirms it.

Mr tin's big issue is "external interference" -----in the lexicon of Mr tin----"external" means
jews. It does not matter how long any given jew lived in 'Palestine" or how long those 'jews'
lived in the Ottoman empire or how long they have tried to return to their homeland in Israel/Judea
if they are JOOOOS they are EXTERNAL INFLUENCE-----if they are "arabs" it does not matter
where they were born or whether they ever own an inch of land in Palestine ----or in what part of the Ottoman empire-----their parents lived-----if they are arabs they are INSIDERS----they
are "Palestinians" resisting the non Palestinians aka JOOOOOS

 

[P F Tinmore]

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

Not really. I will say that the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference.

He will respond by posting what foreigners did.

This does not refute what I posted, it confirms it.

Mr tin's big issue is "external interference" -----in the lexicon of Mr tin----"external" means
jews. It does not matter how long any given jew lived in 'Palestine" or how long those 'jews'
lived in the Ottoman empire or how long they have tried to return to their homeland in Israel/Judea
if they are JOOOOS they are EXTERNAL INFLUENCE-----if they are "arabs" it does not matter
where they were born or whether they ever own an inch of land in Palestine ----or in what part of the Ottoman empire-----their parents lived-----if they are arabs they are INSIDERS----they
are "Palestinians" resisting the non Palestinians aka JOOOOOS

Not true. All of the people who were Turkish citizens at the creation of Palestine in 1924 (including Muslims, Christians, and Jews) became Palestinians.

Even the PLO Charter says this and I have always stated the same thing.

External interference is illegal. It doesn't matter who does it.

 

[toastman]

What claim is disproved?

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

Not really. I will say that the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference.

He will respond by posting what foreigners did.

This does not refute what I posted, it confirms it.

Yes really. He has links. You have lies.
But what you mentioned is only one issue out of many that you refuse to admit you are wrong about.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Every debate you've had with Rocco. He disproves you every single time while providing valid links, yet you don't have the balls to admit that he's right and you're wrong. Same goes with many debates we have had.

Not really. I will say that the Palestinians have the right to self determination without external interference.

He will respond by posting what foreigners did.

This does not refute what I posted, it confirms it.

Yes really. He has links. You have lies.
But what you mentioned is only one issue out of many that you refuse to admit you are wrong about.

How about another example?

 

[member]

Perhaps a little background will help.

Ironic ain't it PF? That Vanity Fair is taking a dig at the Bush Admin AND accusing Fatah of adopting the "BUSH DOCTRINE" of pre-emptive war.. That's actually hysterical... A virtual TWO-For-One for some lucky leftist journalist...

"Hamas had no intention of taking Gaza" .. Turns out -- NOW nobody wants it once they moved in..

Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense.

"Hamas was the elected government in office. This whole taking over Gaza thing makes no sense."


You know what makes "no sense" as usual, you trying to make hamas sound (zzz) as if they're anything but TERRORISTS....as if any hamass member has a shred of DIGNITY whatsoever seated in this fake 'government-office' you speak of........


"Hamas was the elected Government in Office."



i laugh at your attempts.....(Elected -- Government -- In -- OFFICE -- ("office" --- hysterical).