A World Without Capitalism and Tradable Shares?

[bripat9643]

No, you can't take a socioeconomic system advocating common ownership without classes that kills hundreds of millions and apply it to the native americans who had a class system and hierarchy

Marx had a different understanding of Native Americans than you:

http://lchc.ucsd.edu/MCA/Mail/xmcamail.2012_02.dir/pdfXSzpVPe6x8.pdf

And that shit only "worked" because the people were family/relatives, AND the Iroquois made slaves out of the surrounding tribes.

It does NOT work with completely unrelated strangers and no slave labor. But, nice try.

COMMIE DOES NOT WORK!!!!

Communism works for Stone Age tribes, and nowhere else.

 

[bripat9643]

Soviet Socialism won WWII? Do you know how many Russians died in WWII? The Russian Winter and Hitler's strategic lunacy defeated the Nazis. Soviet Socialism had nothing to do with it.

Soviet socialism defeated 190 German divisions in less time than the allies needed to win against 10-12 Nazi divisions.

Capitalists in the US and UK allowed German capitalists to get rich by rearming after WWI as a hedge against communism.

Hitler had little choice about invading Russia regardless of the weather.

Who got rich from that?

No one in Russia.

Why didn't he have any choice?

Russia has 300 divisions, so beating 190 isn't much of an accomplishment, and the allies had a lot more than 12 divisions, moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Soviet socialism defeated 190 German divisions

And then they enslaved half of Europe for 45 years.

 

[georgephillip]

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Alpha male, dominated the small communities, he, the "Monarch" of the tribe ate first, had all the women, and any male that wanted in had to subjugate to the Alpha or was kicked out

The earliest monarchies began in Egypt and Sumer about 3000 years ago, Einstein. It hard to believe anyone's ignorant enough to post your tripe. but, obviously, you are.

 

[georgephillip]

f Hitler wouldnt of divided his troops just before Moscow, the Soviet Union would of fallen and there would never be a threat of the Red Dawn. Of course everyone would be speaking German today

If the US had stayed out of WWI the Russian Revolution would have spread to Berlin and London, and the world would have been at peace for the last century.

 

[Brain357]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

 

[Andylusion]

It worked in the Soviet Union, eh comrade?

Socialism worked well enough in the Soviet Union to win WWII and put the first human being into space.

Are you disappointed?

I find that response rather ironic. You claim that capitalism only advances by exploiting people. Are you even remotely aware of how many millions on millions of people were enslaved and starved to death, in order for the Soviets to advance their country? Gulag Archipelago.

And yeah, they won WW2, but certainly not because of socialism, more like in spite of it. Did you not read how they were sending soldiers to the front, sometimes without proper arms?

Have you read about how they used Penal battalions? They rounded up people, and forced them into penal battalions, where they would be ordered into land mine, or to charge the enemy as a diversion. If anyone refused the suicide order, they were executed on the spot.

Shtrafbat. Go look it up.

I am honestly baffled how people like you can complain about Capitalism, and then celebrate mass murder torture and enslavement. Rather amazing how either your priorities are screwed up, or your lack of history is.

 

[Andylusion]

f Hitler wouldnt of divided his troops just before Moscow, the Soviet Union would of fallen and there would never be a threat of the Red Dawn. Of course everyone would be speaking German today

If the US had stayed out of WWI the Russian Revolution would have spread to Berlin and London, and the world would have been at peace for the last century.

No. I don't think so. It might have spread across Europe, But I doubt it would have made it to the US.

And yes, it might have been peaceful, in that people that are in mass starvation are pretty peaceful. There is tons of peace in North Korea today. Hard for anyone to fight each other, when soldiers are eating grass.

North Korea: 'We were forced to eat grass and soil'

The testimonies, one after another, have been damning, disturbing and, at points, excruciating.

www.cnn.com

The price for peace in a socialist world, is a tad high.

 

[Andylusion]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

That's the problem with you people... you have to make up what other people support. I didn't support the tariffs. I didn't support the bailouts. I didn't support the over spending.

I have been entirely consistent.

Do tell... which of the alternatives want to reduce government, reduce regulations, have a more free market, with lower taxes, and lower government spending, and reducing government programs?

If you can't answer that, then stop complaining like a whiny child, when other options are better than yours.

 

[Andylusion]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Then why is it, that in nearly every free market, there is not a monopoly?

 

[Andylusion]

They had a bit of help...

True. The US supplied a great deal of material support to its USSR allies during World War Two. I believe it is also true Soviets fought about 190 Nazi divisions in Russia compared to about ten or twelve German divisions in Europe.

Yeah, and it's also true that without that Russian winter, nearly every projections says the Germans would have won. They had superior weapons, superior supply lines, and better trained troops, and vastly, by a very wide margin, better military leaders. Remember Lenin, and Stalin after him, both purged the military of nearly anyone with ability or skill.

Those that were left, were more worried about being slaughtered by the government, than they were the enemy, and had no problem obeying even the most obviously bad plan, because it was better for those poor sorry sacks of meat they conscripted into the military to die, than themselves.

The soviet leadership had no problem with poor civilian conscripts being sent on suicide missions, as long as they got to live by obeying the government.

And this is the system you really support?

 

[Brain357]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

That's the problem with you people... you have to make up what other people support. I didn't support the tariffs. I didn't support the bailouts. I didn't support the over spending.

I have been entirely consistent.

Do tell... which of the alternatives want to reduce government, reduce regulations, have a more free market, with lower taxes, and lower government spending, and reducing government programs?

If you can't answer that, then stop complaining like a whiny child, when other options are better than yours.

So you didn't support his policy, but you supported him? That makes a lot of sense. haha

 

[Andylusion]

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

Imagine that.

On this part, I do actually agree with you. A world without Capitalism is not too hard to envision! We can imagine such a world very very very easily.

Venezuelans, that 20 years ago lived in the most wealthy Latin American country, now searching through trash for food to eat.

But at least there is no capitalism, because government nationalized the food industry.

Cuba, a nation that in the 1950s had a 1st world standard of living, today entire sides of buildings have collapsed in a nation with a national housing shorted, where people live 3 families in one apartment.

In the Capital, North Korea keeps perfectly maintained and spotless trains, typically reserved for the elite. Outside the capital, where the common people are, the situation is a little different.

I could keep going. I could post pictures of government run hospitals in Greece that closed, or nation wide power outages in Venezuela, or bread lines stretching almost a mile long in the old Soviet Union.

But the point it... yeah I can very much imagine a world without Capitalism. In fact, I can picture it.... right on the internet.

 

[Andylusion]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

That's the problem with you people... you have to make up what other people support. I didn't support the tariffs. I didn't support the bailouts. I didn't support the over spending.

I have been entirely consistent.

Do tell... which of the alternatives want to reduce government, reduce regulations, have a more free market, with lower taxes, and lower government spending, and reducing government programs?

If you can't answer that, then stop complaining like a whiny child, when other options are better than yours.

So you didn't support his policy, but you supported him? That makes a lot of sense. haha

Sure. Yes it does make a lot of sense. Your lack of understanding is the only thing that doesn't make sense.

Say you have two options for employment, and you are going to work for one of them no matter what. One employer say he's going to pay you very little, expect hard work, and a full 8 hour day. The other employer says he's going to have you in a sewer for 10 hours a day, no help, no equipment, and bring your own flash light and batteries, and if you get paid, consider yourself lucky.

Which employer do you work for? The first one. Does that mean you support being paid little, and working hard for a full 8 hours? No. But it is still better than the other option.

I had to choose between Trump, and the left-wing Democrats with Biden. Basically it was either someone who will cut taxes, cut regulations, support 1st Amendment, and 2nd Amendment rights, and religious freedom.... but he over spends, and had that goofy stupid trade war.

Or.... I could support someone who openly wants to end freedom of speech, wants to destroy the 2nd amendment, wants to jack up taxes, increase regulations, destroy jobs any chance he gets, have ridiculous Covid mandates, and destroy every good aspect of the country, while catering to open terrorists.

Gee.... man.... I don't know.... let me think about it.... TRUMP! Trump was the better option, even with his flaws, by an extremely wide margin. He is better than you, better than Democrats, and better than anyone on the left-wing. No question about it.

 

[Brain357]

Monopolies are not good capitalism. What we need is good capitalism. We have cronyism currently.

Some would argue the purpose of capitalism is monopoly:

Opinion | A world without capitalism is not too hard to envision

"Then, toward the end of the 19th century, as the first networked mega-companies—including Edison, General Electric, and Bell—were formed, the genie released by marketable shares went a step further.

"Because neither banks nor investors had enough money to plough into the networked mega-firms, the mega-bank emerged in the form of a global cartel of banks and shadowy funds, each with its own shareholders

"Unprecedented new debt was thus created to transfer value to the present, in the hope of profiting sufficiently to repay the future.

"Mega-finance, mega-equity, mega-pension funds, and mega-financial crises were the logical outcome.

"The crashes of 1929 and 2008, the unstoppable rise of Big Tech, and all the other ingredients of today’s discontent with capitalism, became inescapable."

Nobody who understands capitalism would argue that. We get monopoly because it's too easy to buy our politicians. We need campaign finance reform. None of this is the fault of capitalism.

Thanks for admitting you don't understand capitalism.

Oh you think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly then eh? Moron. If you understood capitalism you wouldn't have supported trump and his moronic tariffs.

No, I don't think the purpose of capitalism is monopoly, moron. What did I just say?

Do you believe Dims are all good capitalists?

You seemed to be disagreeing with me. But since you are so stupid you probably have no clue. Tell how tariffs are good capitalism. haha

There are few good capitalists in this country. Your righties just bow to the rich and kiss their feet. The left have too many who think socialism might just be good. That said I'd take Obama over Rump any day so I guess they are a bit better.

Tariffs are not good capitalism. However, that's only one issue. The Green New Deal is an all out assault on capitalism. A capitalist will always go with the former rather than the later. Nothing in Biden's platform is capitalism. He's a fascist to the bone.

Ah well you admit its not good capitalism. Amazing, I thought you were completely dishonest. I haven't seen the green new deal happening. We got stuck with the shitty tariffs and they hurt our manufacturing and farming. Lead to a nice big farmer bailout. Are big bailouts good capitalism?

Biden has only been in office for a week, numskull. He has already destroyed 75,000 jobs.

Are big bailouts good capitalism or is that another trump fail?

75,000 now is it? Wow the number keeps growing, you have some imagination.

We abandoned free market capitalism at least 80 years ago, so why are you getting anal about it now?

Our situation continues to worsen . Inequality grows, more near monopolies, wage collusion.... meanwhile we can’t hit 3% gdp growth because of it. Much needs fixing. I prefer fixing our capitalism to socialism.

So the more socialism grows in this country, the worse it becomes. Doesn't that give you a clue, NAZI?

It's cronyism that is growing faster. You morons who worship the wealthy and let them have all these monopolies are more the problem than any socialism. Of course it doesn't help you claim to be capitalists and then support trump and his socialist tariffs and bailouts. People don't even know what good capitalism is anymore. Repubs sure have no clue.

That's the problem with you people... you have to make up what other people support. I didn't support the tariffs. I didn't support the bailouts. I didn't support the over spending.

I have been entirely consistent.

Do tell... which of the alternatives want to reduce government, reduce regulations, have a more free market, with lower taxes, and lower government spending, and reducing government programs?

If you can't answer that, then stop complaining like a whiny child, when other options are better than yours.

So you didn't support his policy, but you supported him? That makes a lot of sense. haha

Sure. Yes it does make a lot of sense. Your lack of understanding is the only thing that doesn't make sense.

Say you have two options for employment, and you are going to work for one of them no matter what. One employer say he's going to pay you very little, expect hard work, and a full 8 hour day. The other employer says he's going to have you in a sewer for 10 hours a day, no help, no equipment, and bring your own flash light and batteries, and if you get paid, consider yourself lucky.

Which employer do you work for? The first one. Does that mean you support being paid little, and working hard for a full 8 hours? No. But it is still better than the other option.

I had to choose between Trump, and the left-wing Democrats with Biden. Basically it was either someone who will cut taxes, cut regulations, support 1st Amendment, and 2nd Amendment rights, and religious freedom.... but he over spends, and had that goofy stupid trade war.

Or.... I could support someone who openly wants to end freedom of speech, wants to destroy the 2nd amendment, wants to jack up taxes, increase regulations, destroy jobs any chance he gets, have ridiculous Covid mandates, and destroy every good aspect of the country, while catering to open terrorists.

Gee.... man.... I don't know.... let me think about it.... TRUMP! Trump was the better option, even with his flaws, by an extremely wide margin. He is better than you, better than Democrats, and better than anyone on the left-wing. No question about it.

So you make up a bunch of shit. Obama was way better than trump, but I'm sure you made up that same shit about him. Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits. How long are you gonna be fooled? The republican policy of cutting taxes and increasing military spending is the worst policy for debt. Nobody cares about debt when taxes are being cut. You are a moron.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

 

[Brain357]

Obama handed trump a strong economy and shrinking deficits.

How strong? Shrinking by how much?

2-3% gdp growth. Low unemployment. The deficit was about $600 billion. Trump managed to increase that to a trillion before the pandemic.

2-3% gdp growth.

You're off by a bit.

The deficit was about $600 billion.

You said it was shrinking. Shrinking from what to what?

Well it was about $1.6 trillion when he started. Trump went from $600billion to what $3 trillion? What a disaster. And don't blame the pandemic, he went from $600 billion to $1 trillion pre pandemic with none of the issues Obama had to fix. Guy inherited a country in good shape and destroyed it all.

 

[theHawk]

It worked in the Soviet Union, eh comrade?

Socialism worked well enough in the Soviet Union to win WWII and put the first human being into space.

Are you disappointed?

It also gave the world Chernobyl, which came very close to making all of Eastern Europe completely uninhabitable. And no, it wasn’t an “accident”, it happened as a direct result of decades of communist corruption and believing in lies and propaganda.