A Tea Party Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

[Againsheila]

Merry Hyatt, Tea Party Patriot, Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

It's called the "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative.

Merry Hyatt, a substitute teacher and member of the Redding Tea Party Patriots, is behind the push. The Record Searchlight reports:

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Schools currently are allowed to offer Christmas music as long as it is used for academic purposes rather than devotional purposes and isn't used to promote a particular religious belief, according to an analysis by the California Legislative Analyst's Office.

Parents are allowed to have their students opt out of the caroling if they express that desire in advance.

The initiative has the support of the local Tea Party Patriots president.

Isn't the Tea Parties purpose suppose to be limited Government, not having the Government control our lives, etc. Doesn't this go directly against that?

Sounds like to me more people using the whole concept of "tea parties" to further their own agenda. Thoughts?

Some of the best Christmas songs are religious. I was a chaperon for the best highschool band in Japan and one of their girls sang "Amazing Grace". It was beautifully done and something that an American school wouldn't have allowed.

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity".

PS, don't only was this girl NOT a Christian, but she didn't even speak English. She sang in English though, beautifully.

 

[Modbert]

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity"..

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Besides, schools are not banned from having Christmas carols by the state.

And this irked me too:

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

Sarcasm: "It's like, wow you guys, can't you be a little more close minded?"

 

[Againsheila]

Considering you spell mandatory wrong and then call her stupid, that is hilarious irony.

You missed the part where it is required or they face punishment.

holy crap a fucklingl typeops

the only thing required is the opportunity you stupid hack

It's required if they face punishment if not followed.

They must provide the opportunity...if the kids opt out, there is no punishment......

Have you listened to any of the religious songs around Christmas time? They are some of the best music every written.

 

[Againsheila]

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity"..

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Besides, schools are not banned from having Christmas carols by the state.

And this irked me too:

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

Sarcasm: "It's like, wow you guys, can't you be a little more close minded?"

One more time...providing the opportunity is a requirement but that doesn't make singing the Christmas carols a requirement. The kids can always opt out, they just have to get the opportunity to opt out, or in, as the case may be.

I've been watching schools trying to be PC ever since my kids started, Rudolf the red nosed reindeer and Santa is Coming to Town are hardly the best music ever written.

I don't mind "O Christmas Tree" but I much prefer the Bell Song, or O Holy Night...those are beautiful songs...

When I was in school we sang "Away in a manger" when I was in 3rd grade for the "Christmas" program. Now we have "winter" programs and "Christmas" songs, at least religious ones are banned, or at least not aloud according to the schools.

Seems our schools have forgotten that it is a national holiday.

 

[Modbert]

They must provide the opportunity...if the kids opt out, there is no punishment......

Have you listened to any of the religious songs around Christmas time? They are some of the best music every written.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Christmas music. I love Christmas Music.

People have a problem with others trying to shove their religion and beliefs down their throat. The entire point of this thread originally was to point out the hypocrisy of this specific tea party. They are all for no Government, except when they want the Government to put forth their agenda. Hypocrisy be thy name if you get what I mean.

 

[Againsheila]

They must provide the opportunity...if the kids opt out, there is no punishment......

Have you listened to any of the religious songs around Christmas time? They are some of the best music every written.

I don't think anyone has a problem with Christmas music. I love Christmas Music.

People have a problem with others trying to shove their religion and beliefs down their throat. The entire point of this thread originally was to point out the hypocrisy of this specific tea party. They are all for no Government, except when they want the Government to put forth their agenda. Hypocrisy be thy name if you get what I mean.

Gee, requiring the schools to provide an opportunity for the students to listen to or sing actual Christmas songs...gee, that's such a problem....

And after hearing my son sing "I have a little draydle (sp?), I really think it's time to do something to require our schools to recognize our national holiday, the one known as "Christmas".

 

[Modbert]

One more time...providing the opportunity is a requirement but that doesn't make singing the Christmas carols a requirement. The kids can always opt out, they just have to get the opportunity to opt out, or in, as the case may be.

I've been watching schools trying to be PC ever since my kids started, Rudolf the red nosed reindeer and Santa is Coming to Town are hardly the best music ever written.

I don't mind "O Christmas Tree" but I much prefer the Bell Song, or O Holy Night...those are beautiful songs...

When I was in school we sang "Away in a manger" when I was in 3rd grade for the "Christmas" program. Now we have "winter" programs and "Christmas" songs, at least religious ones are banned, or at least not aloud according to the schools.

Seems our schools have forgotten that it is a national holiday.

What I bolded, that's my point. The schools should not have their hand forced on this.

Rudolph and Santa Claus are not oscar winning songs by any means but kids love them. I know when I was a kid (which was not that long ago) we didn't like to sing O Christmas Tree or Away in a Manger. It wasn't because it was religious, it was because it was boring to us.

Though to be quite honest, I highly doubt that Christ would even like the Christmas Holiday to be honest with you. (But that's whole another thread.)

 

[Modbert]

Gee, requiring the schools to provide an opportunity for the students to listen to or sing actual Christmas songs...gee, that's such a problem....

And after hearing my son sing "I have a little draydle (sp?), I really think it's time to do something to require our schools to recognize our national holiday, the one known as "Christmas".

I highly doubt this affects the kids. It's the choice that was made. If the parents want it changed? Complain about it and have enough complain about it.

As for the second half of your statement, how do you feel schools should recognize Christmas?

 

[Againsheila]

One more time...providing the opportunity is a requirement but that doesn't make singing the Christmas carols a requirement. The kids can always opt out, they just have to get the opportunity to opt out, or in, as the case may be.

I've been watching schools trying to be PC ever since my kids started, Rudolf the red nosed reindeer and Santa is Coming to Town are hardly the best music ever written.

I don't mind "O Christmas Tree" but I much prefer the Bell Song, or O Holy Night...those are beautiful songs...

When I was in school we sang "Away in a manger" when I was in 3rd grade for the "Christmas" program. Now we have "winter" programs and "Christmas" songs, at least religious ones are banned, or at least not aloud according to the schools.

Seems our schools have forgotten that it is a national holiday.

What I bolded, that's my point. The schools should not have their hand forced on this.

Rudolph and Santa Claus are not oscar winning songs by any means but kids love them. I know when I was a kid (which was not that long ago) we didn't like to sing O Christmas Tree or Away in a Manger. It wasn't because it was religious, it was because it was boring to us.

Though to be quite honest, I highly doubt that Christ would even like the Christmas Holiday to be honest with you. (But that's whole another thread.)

Except that the schools wouldn't allow Christmas (religious) songs at all if their hand wasn't forced on this.....

We're talking about schools that are so stupid they tried to ban reading of the Bible during the 10 minutes of reading time the local junior high had everyday where they were suppose to read whatever they wanted....the parents had to take it to the school board before the school finally conceded that a student should be able to read his Bible during free reading time if he wanted. We're talking about schools that are so stupid that they banned kids from forming a ring around the flag BEFORE school and having a prayer voluntarily before school started, no adult was involved.

We're talking about schools that are so stupid that a kindergarten gym teacher told a bunch of 5 year olds "there's no such thing as Santa".

All of these things have happened in the past and in my district (Federal Way Public Schools), it's about time the pendulum started swinging the other way.

 

[Modbert]

Except that the schools wouldn't allow Christmas (religious) songs at all if their hand wasn't forced on this.....

We're talking about schools that are so stupid they tried to ban reading of the Bible during the 10 minutes of reading time the local junior high had everyday where they were suppose to read whatever they wanted....the parents had to take it to the school board before the school finally conceded that a student should be able to read his Bible during free reading time if he wanted. We're talking about schools that are so stupid that they banned kids from forming a ring around the flag BEFORE school and having a prayer voluntarily before school started, no adult was involved.

We're talking about schools that are so stupid that a kindergarten gym teacher told a bunch of 5 year olds "there's no such thing as Santa".

All of these things have happened in the past and in my district (Federal Way Public Schools), it's about time the pendulum started swinging the other way.

If they do not like it, the parents can take it up with the Administration. We do not need a law saying that religion needs to be established in schools in some manner.

I would like some links to the situations you have sourced. Also, the Kindergarten gym teacher was a isolated incident so it seems. I would not go ahead and judge an entire district system on the actions of one idiot.

You want to see the pendulum swing the other way? In what manner? Religion forced into schools? Mandatory Prayer? Be a little more specific, because to be quite honest, I don't like the sound of that.

 

[Againsheila]

Except that the schools wouldn't allow Christmas (religious) songs at all if their hand wasn't forced on this.....

We're talking about schools that are so stupid they tried to ban reading of the Bible during the 10 minutes of reading time the local junior high had everyday where they were suppose to read whatever they wanted....the parents had to take it to the school board before the school finally conceded that a student should be able to read his Bible during free reading time if he wanted. We're talking about schools that are so stupid that they banned kids from forming a ring around the flag BEFORE school and having a prayer voluntarily before school started, no adult was involved.

We're talking about schools that are so stupid that a kindergarten gym teacher told a bunch of 5 year olds "there's no such thing as Santa".

All of these things have happened in the past and in my district (Federal Way Public Schools), it's about time the pendulum started swinging the other way.

If they do not like it, the parents can take it up with the Administration. We do not need a law saying that religion needs to be established in schools in some manner.

I would like some links to the situations you have sourced. Also, the Kindergarten gym teacher was a isolated incident so it seems. I would not go ahead and judge an entire district system on the actions of one idiot.

You want to see the pendulum swing the other way? In what manner? Religion forced into schools? Mandatory Prayer? Be a little more specific, because to be quite honest, I don't like the sound of that.

I mean, allowing religion in schools again...not forced. forced opportunity is not forced religion......It means the schools can't ban religious songs from the schools as they have done in the past. It means they can't stop people from praying as they have done in the past...I'm not going looking for your links, I posted them years ago on another board, I doubt they are there anymore. I've gone through 3 computers since then so I have long since lost the bookmarks. Believe me or don't, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

Oh, and just so you know, I was at the school board meeting where the parents were demanding their children have the right to read the Bible during free reading time at the junior high. The principal hemmed and hawed and couldn't come up with a decent reason why not except that he didn't want it to "appear" the school was forcing religion on people. Forcing kids to hide their religion is as bad as forcing them to have one, don't you think?

 

[Modbert]

I mean, allowing religion in schools again...not forced. forced opportunity is not forced religion......It means the schools can't ban religious songs from the schools as they have done in the past. It means they can't stop people from praying as they have done in the past...I'm not going looking for your links, I posted them years ago on another board, I doubt they are there anymore. I've gone through 3 computers since then so I have long since lost the bookmarks. Believe me or don't, that's YOUR problem, not mine.

Oh, and just so you know, I was at the school board meeting where the parents were demanding their children have the right to read the Bible during free reading time at the junior high. The principal hemmed and hawed and couldn't come up with a decent reason why not except that he didn't want it to "appear" the school was forcing religion on people. Forcing kids NOT to show their religion is as bad as forcing them to have one, don't you think?

"Separation of Church and State"

The Public Schools are part of the State. There is a reason why our Founders knew enough not to make this nation a Christian one. They protected the rights of religion, however they did not make it a dominating factor in politics.

If you want to make an argument, I'd want you to post links. It's not asking for much. I'd ask the same from any other poster.

I don't see where prayer is banned in school. Organized Prayer is banned however.

If free reading time involved the children reading the bible outloud to the others? Then no, they should not be able to read it. If it's quiet reading to themselves? Go right ahead.

As for your last statement, I do believe that is quite inaccurate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Merry Hyatt, Tea Party Patriot, Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools

It's called the "Freedom to Present Christmas Music in Public School Classrooms or Assemblies" initiative.

Merry Hyatt, a substitute teacher and member of the Redding Tea Party Patriots, is behind the push. The Record Searchlight reports:

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Schools currently are allowed to offer Christmas music as long as it is used for academic purposes rather than devotional purposes and isn't used to promote a particular religious belief, according to an analysis by the California Legislative Analyst's Office.

Parents are allowed to have their students opt out of the caroling if they express that desire in advance.

The initiative has the support of the local Tea Party Patriots president.

Isn't the Tea Parties purpose suppose to be limited Government, not having the Government control our lives, etc. Doesn't this go directly against that?

Sounds like to me more people using the whole concept of "tea parties" to further their own agenda. Thoughts?

Some of the best Christmas songs are religious. I was a chaperon for the best highschool band in Japan and one of their girls sang "Amazing Grace". It was beautifully done and something that an American school wouldn't have allowed.

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity".

PS, don't only was this girl NOT a Christian, but she didn't even speak English. She sang in English though, beautifully.

The Attorney General's official title and summary for the measure is as follows: REQUIRES PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO OFFER CHRISTMAS MUSIC. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Requires public schools to offer an opportunity for students to listen to or perform Christ mas music during th e holiday season.

 

[gabriel_baron]

If these people want their kids to go to school christmas caroling, I say let them be... But dangit! They better be quiet while my son/daughter takes their multiplication drills, because THEY ARE GOING TO PASS THIRD GRADE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BYE!!!

 

[Againsheila]

Merry Hyatt, Tea Party Patriot, Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools





Isn't the Tea Parties purpose suppose to be limited Government, not having the Government control our lives, etc. Doesn't this go directly against that?

Sounds like to me more people using the whole concept of "tea parties" to further their own agenda. Thoughts?

Some of the best Christmas songs are religious. I was a chaperon for the best highschool band in Japan and one of their girls sang "Amazing Grace". It was beautifully done and something that an American school wouldn't have allowed.

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity".

PS, don't only was this girl NOT a Christian, but she didn't even speak English. She sang in English though, beautifully.

The Attorney General's official title and summary for the measure is as follows: REQUIRES PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO OFFER CHRISTMAS MUSIC. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Requires public schools to offer an opportunity for students to listen to or perform Christ mas music during th e holiday season.

requiring them to offer the opportunity is not the same thing as requiring them to listen to or sing them.

 

[Yurt]

Merry Hyatt, Tea Party Patriot, Wants Mandatory Christmas Carols In Public Schools





Isn't the Tea Parties purpose suppose to be limited Government, not having the Government control our lives, etc. Doesn't this go directly against that?

Sounds like to me more people using the whole concept of "tea parties" to further their own agenda. Thoughts?

Some of the best Christmas songs are religious. I was a chaperon for the best highschool band in Japan and one of their girls sang "Amazing Grace". It was beautifully done and something that an American school wouldn't have allowed.

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity".

PS, don't only was this girl NOT a Christian, but she didn't even speak English. She sang in English though, beautifully.

The Attorney General's official title and summary for the measure is as follows: REQUIRES PUBLIC SCHOOLS TO OFFER CHRISTMAS MUSIC. INITIATIVE STATUTE. Requires public schools to offer an opportunity for students to listen to or perform Christ mas music during th e holiday season.

funny how you dishonestly don't highlight the main words....i guess i will honestly highlight "offer" and "opportunity" for you

its only an opportunity, the school is not required to put anything on and is not required to have it apart of the curiculum, if the wants to, it MAY....

 

[Emma]

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity"..

The initiative would require schools to provide children the opportunity to listen to or perform Christmas carols, and would subject the schools to litigation if the rule isn't followed.

Besides, schools are not banned from having Christmas carols by the state.

And this irked me too:

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

Sarcasm: "It's like, wow you guys, can't you be a little more close minded?"

Hmmm.

I thought the teabaggers were only about smaller government, less spending, etc.

So they lied. Color me surprised.

 

[Yurt]

Don't know how you got "requirement" out of "opportunity"..

Besides, schools are not banned from having Christmas carols by the state.

And this irked me too:

"Bottom line is Christmas is about Christmas," said Erin Ryan, president of the Redding Tea Party Patriots. "That's why we have it. It's not about winter solstice or Kwanzaa. It's like, 'Wow you guys, it's called Christmas for a reason.' "

Sarcasm: "It's like, wow you guys, can't you be a little more close minded?"

Hmmm.

I thought the teabaggers were only about smaller government, less spending, etc.

So they lied. Color me surprised.

no, you're lying....this initiative does not make the government larger...

btw, how do you like being teabagged?

 

[Emma]

Besides, schools are not banned from having Christmas carols by the state.

And this irked me too:



Sarcasm: "It's like, wow you guys, can't you be a little more close minded?"

Hmmm.

I thought the teabaggers were only about smaller government, less spending, etc.

So they lied. Color me surprised.

no, you're lying....this initiative does not make the government larger...

btw, how do you like being teabagged?

Teabaggers claim they want less government intrusion... unless it's forcing their values upon others.

 

[Modbert]

no, you're lying....this initiative does not make the government larger...

btw, how do you like being teabagged?

Except Government's power grows by having them make laws such as these.

Also, the only ones being teabagged are the tea baggers.

I mean really, buying a bunch of tea bags and throwing them in rivers to symbolize wasteful spending is irony indeed.