A Short Primer on the Citizenship Clause in the 14th Amendment

[rightwinger]

Persons means citizens.

All citizens are citizens
That would make no sense

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Trump will lose this case.

 

[pknopp]

If you read the debates the senate had, they referred to the "complete authority", meaning, owing no allegiance to any other country, and no country can claim authority over them.

A child born here is under the jurisdiction of their parents, who's home country can claim authority over them and they owe allegiance to that country.


It doesn't matter though, this isn't going anywhere.

I wasn't sure at first but after reading more I think they very well might rule the EO Unconstitutional.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

All citizens are citizens
That would make no sense

All persons does not mean all 7 billion people on the planet.
It means all citizens.

 

[my2¢]

The timing of the 14th amendment needs to be taken into consideration. It was proposed by Congress in 1866 two years after The Immigration Act of 1864 which encouraged immigration to deal with the nation's labor shortage due to the Civil War. There were railroads to be built and coal to mine, so birthright citizenship wasn't of any concern.

 

[ThisIsMe]

But they never upheld BRC.

Well, the wong kim ark decision.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I wasn't sure at first but after reading more I think they very well might rule the EO Unconstitutional.

Of course they will. This case isn't going anywhere. They are not going to overturn BRC. I predict 9-0 against trump.

 

[pknopp]

Of course they will. This case isn't going anywhere. They are not going to overturn BRC. I predict 9-0 against trump.

On the EO but on being able to operate despite a lower court ruling? They may throw him a bone there.

But still, that is all still temporary.

 

[excalibur]

Well, the wong kim ark decision.

Dealt with the child of legal resident aliens.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Dealt with the child of legal resident aliens.

It makes no change. It will be 9-0, excalibur.

 

[BULLDOG]

There is a difference between being subject to the law, and subject to the jurisdiction.

Explain being one without the other

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There is a difference between being subject to the law, and subject to the jurisdiction.

Bulldog: Explain being one without the other

God loves you even if all those fake Christians do

John Edgar Slow Horses: Explain it slowly for me, please.

 

[rightwinger]

All persons does not mean all 7 billion people on the planet.
It means all citizens.

Of course not

Only those born in this country
Like the 14th amendment says

 

[rightwinger]

It makes no change. It will be 9-0, excalibur.

7-2

With Thomas and Alito opposed

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

7-2

With Thomas and Alito opposed

... this time I am not sure.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

Of course not

Only those born in this country
Like the 14th amendment says

Born to American parents