A Serious Question about the GOP and the Tea Party

[skookerasbil]

The republican party will have to push the tp to the side if they want any main stream votes.

They will lose this base if they please the middle.

They will lose the middle if they please the TP.

They can not win with them or without them.

Unless of course they can cheat enough to win.

They have done it before and the history is in the court documents.

Thankfully........your sentiments are shared by very, very few........as in, a number that is not only politically insignificant but rather at the far, far end of the political specrum. What they call the hyper-fringe.

 

[Seawytch]

The libertarians are the tea party....

The tea party has never and does not support neo-con philosophy...

Really? There are something like 80 reps that make up the "Tea Party Caucus". Which one ran as a Libertarian?

They didnt for much the same reasons the communists and socialists run under the dem tickets.

Except that's not true. The only socialist ran (and won) as an independent.

 

[kaz]

The republican party will have to push the tp to the side if they want any main stream votes

You and the Republican leadership are hand in hand pushing this lie despite all empirical data. The Tea Party got fiscal conservatives back to the poll who sat on their hands. Obama won because of that. Then he was drubbed when the Tea Party brought people back who didn't see the difference between Republicans and you.

That's why you want the Republicans to go to the "center" which is really the left. You win either way. The Tea Party is actually a loss for you, they haven't been able to be bribed out of their principles like the Republican "center" was AND they are getting out the vote. They are a legit threat to you. The "center" Republicans were not.

The Republican leadership on the other hand want the tea party to go away because they are suddenly being held to a standard when the election is over. Ouch. They liked the old days when they ran as Republicans and served as Democrats and got all the power and perks that went with being on the Politburo.

 

[Full-Auto]

Really? There are something like 80 reps that make up the "Tea Party Caucus". Which one ran as a Libertarian?

They didnt for much the same reasons the communists and socialists run under the dem tickets.

Except that's not true. The only socialist ran (and won) as an independent.

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

 

[Oddball]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

The Tea Party isn't a distinct party, it's the conservative base of the Republican party making an attempt at rebranding to distance itself from its apathy and acquiescence during the Bush era.

As such, the Tea Party Express lady's position will prevail (though other groups seemed miffed that she let the cat out of the bag so early):

The Tea Party will support whoever wins the GOP presidential nomination - - even if that person is former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, the chairwoman of the Tea Party Express told Fox News.

"Whoever the Republican nominee is will have to have the support of the Tea Party movement, the entire Tea Party movement," Chairwoman Amy Kremer said.

Nice cherry pick....I guess these to passages slipped past you?

Her confidence comes while some Tea Partiers, including some at FreedomWorks, a leading voice in the Tea Party movement, set their sights on stopping a Romney nomination. Other groups immediately rejected Kremer's comments as not representative of the entire amorphous movement.

<snip>

The Tea Party Express is one of the three main Tea Party groups. It began as a cross-country bus tour aimed a rallying supporters.

Or maybe it's just that OIRA is only interested in lumping all the Tea Party factions into one big amorphous group, in order to stereotype and marginalize them, eh?

 

[skookerasbil]

IN the end, even hardened Tea Party folks realize that the country cant turn around until this fraud of a president is expelled. They'd get behind Boob McNut if they had to because they know that choosing the SUCK over the SUCKIER is always the way to go. They know the implications of a Supreme Cout becomming progressive.......the greatest fear of Tea Partiers.

 

[Oddball]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

In full seriousness and honesty, it will depend on what Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers advise.

In full seriousness and honesty, stock up on tin foil.

 

[Si modo]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

In full seriousness and honesty, it will depend on what Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers advise.

And, the pathetic thing is, you actually believe this.

 

[kaz]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

The libertarians are the tea party....

The tea party has never and does not support neo-con philosophy...

Really? There are something like 80 reps that make up the "Tea Party Caucus". Which one ran as a Libertarian?

I'm a libertarian. Libertarians are actually split on the tea party so you're both right. There are really three groups of libertarians.

The biggest are largely comprised of former Republicans and we basically left the party because they just didn't care about fiscal conservatism. We're small l libertarians, we support the concept not the party. We aren't as ideological. We are fiercely fiscally conservative, we are not socially conservative, we split on the wars. I'm against them, but a lot of my group are not.

The second, Libertarian Party members are against the tea party. They continue to just consider them Republicans. They like polling 1% of the population every election and don't want more because then they couldn't be the snobs they are.

The third, ideological libertarians typically don't vote anyway. They don't like the tea party because they are extreme bordering on anarchist. They don't want to reform politics, they want to be out of it. The tea party does want to reform politics.

 

[Seawytch]

They didnt for much the same reasons the communists and socialists run under the dem tickets.

Except that's not true. The only socialist ran (and won) as an independent.

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

 

[Trajan]

The republican party will have to push the tp to the side if they want any main stream votes

You and the Republican leadership are hand in hand pushing this lie despite all empirical data. The Tea Party got fiscal conservatives back to the poll who sat on their hands. Obama won because of that. Then he was drubbed when the Tea Party brought people back who didn't see the difference between Republicans and you.

That's why you want the Republicans to go to the "center" which is really the left. You win either way. The Tea Party is actually a loss for you, they haven't been able to be bribed out of their principles like the Republican "center" was AND they are getting out the vote. They are a legit threat to you. The "center" Republicans were not.

The Republican leadership on the other hand want the tea party to go away because they are suddenly being held to a standard when the election is over. Ouch. They liked the old days when they ran as Republicans and served as Democrats and got all the power and perks that went with being on the Politburo.

I agree with that, I would add that IF the TP goes 'social',which I fear, they will lose sppt from indies, which is crucial. not so much becasue everything social is 'bad' but that the media will kill them, not that they are not trying now even based on financial issues.

 

[eflatminor]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

I believe Republicans, Tea Partiers and Libertarians/Classical Liberals will support one candidate, whichever is the most fiscally reasonable. More importantly, we will take the Senate and more in the House so that we can begin to undo all these laws, bureaucracies and regulations that have driven spending to obscene levels while crushing the American tradition of individual freedom.

 

[Si modo]

Except that's not true. The only socialist ran (and won) as an independent.

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

Nice race card.

 

[Seawytch]

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

Nice race card.

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

 

[bripat9643]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

Hope springs eternal in the libturd breast.

The aren't going to split because the know a third party is the route to electoral defeat.

Get over that idea.

 

[Oddball]

The libertarians are the tea party....

The tea party has never and does not support neo-con philosophy...

Really? There are something like 80 reps that make up the "Tea Party Caucus". Which one ran as a Libertarian?

I'm a libertarian. Libertarians are actually split on the tea party so you're both right. There are really three groups of libertarians.

The biggest are largely comprised of former Republicans and we basically left the party because they just didn't care about fiscal conservatism. We're small l libertarians, we support the concept not the party. We aren't as ideological. We are fiercely fiscally conservative, we are not socially conservative, we split on the wars. I'm against them, but a lot of my group are not.

The second, Libertarian Party members are against the tea party. They continue to just consider them Republicans. They like polling 1% of the population every election and don't want more because then they couldn't be the snobs they are.

The third, ideological libertarians typically don't vote anyway. They don't like the tea party because they are extreme bordering on anarchist. They don't want to reform politics, they want to be out of it. The tea party does want to reform politics.

^^^^^^
That.

 

[Full-Auto]

Except that's not true. The only socialist ran (and won) as an independent.

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

 

[kaz]

IF the TP goes 'social',which I fear

Well, since we're predicting the future I can't saw anything for certain. But social conservatism and our military conquests have been generally opposed by tea partiers and I don't see why that would change. A true fiscal conservative would oppose government mandates on our body and wars over issues that aren't our problem. That has been the way it is and that is what makes sense. I don't see why we'd suddenly boomerang and support those when it is actually in conflict with our mission.

 

[Avorysuds]

Ron Paul will bring them together if he gets the Nom.

Republicans (voters) will be happy because they have a real conservative with a record and the TP will be happy because well, it's Ron fuckin Paul. Indies and Dems will be happy because many will vote for RP too.

 

[Oddball]

I believe Republicans, Tea Partiers and Libertarians/Classical Liberals will support one candidate, whichever is the most fiscally reasonable. More importantly, we will take the Senate and more in the House so that we can begin to undo all these laws, bureaucracies and regulations that have driven spending to obscene levels while crushing the American tradition of individual freedom.

Not this little black duck.

I'm going to see action and a track record before I cast a vote for anyone with an (R) by their name, ever again.

They nominate another wormy, double-dealing shoe salesman, like Pawlenty or Romney, and I'll be voting LP again.