A Question

[Unkotare]

What we can say is that FDR was an unamerican scumbag. It was his name on the Executive Order.

 

[tjvh]

There were some interesting responses to this question - and it's a tough one.

Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

Absolutely not. America was fighting people who were devoid of rationality. The Japanese were completely brainwashed into believing it was honorable to die for their regime. Were America not to drop the Atomic bombs, it's an absolute fact an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and many more Japanese civilians. However brutal the use of the A-bombs were, they ultimately saved countless lives on BOTH sides.

 

[williepete]

Absolutely not. America was fighting people who were devoid of rationality. The Japanese were completely brainwashed into believing it was honorable to die for their regime. Were America not to drop the Atomic bombs, it's an absolute fact an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and many more Japanese civilians. However brutal the use of the A-bombs were, they ultimately saved countless lives on BOTH sides.

Finally. Back on topic. Not a war crime.

 

[mememe]

Sure. I would be happy to explain it to you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Any questions?

And we weren't fighting any terrorists on behalf the Iraqi people. We fought them to prevent a terrorist safe haven after we left.

Funny how socialist praise and defend the countries under the influence of the USSR during the Arab cold war, but demonize the US for doing the same. Look at the staff of all those leaders in Palistine, Egypt, Tunisia, Saddams Iraq, and Iran, etc and you will find a mess of Soviet trained dictatores. Some of which you can see below who attended Soviet universities (just one university for this group) with the intent of sparking socialist revolutions across the middle east, Africa, and south America, expanding soviet influence by arming the Arab, African, and south American revolutionaries. Look! Its Chavez, educated in the USSR. Go figure huh?

Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran (wrote his thesis on holocaust denial)
Fatima Abdel Mahmoud, Sudanese politician, leader of the Sudanese Socialist Democratic Union
Hugo Chávez, 61st and current President of Venezuela
Abed Elrahim Abu Zakrra, Sudanese writer and poet
Bharrat Jagdeo, Former President of Guyana from 1999 to 2011
Irina Khakamada, Russian politician, a member of The Other Russia coalition
Porfirio Lobo Sosa, President of Honduras, a politician and agricultural landowner
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, Venezuelan terrorist and assassin (expelled)
Lucy Seki, Brazilian linguist
Ganesh Shah, Nepalese politician and member of Communist Party of Nepal (United)
Rohana Wijeweera, Sri Lankan Marxist politician


Look up "the caspian report" on YouTube. That kid is good! You will perhaps have some of your views vindicated there. It's fascinating to say the least!

YouTube - Iran's sphere of influence

None! US finds militant Islamists and plain terrorists, finances them, arms them, supports them to wreck target countries.

And in Afghanistan (80-s), Serbia, Russia, Libya and now Syria you fought alongside them/supported them? How is that possible?

yes, during cold war USSR and US were supporting/helping to power different puppets in their respective sides of the divide. But comparing the life in Afghanistan during Soviet influence and now -- during US influence, can't you see the difference?! And Chavez! He is BRILLIANT in keeping US vultures away from Venezuella's riches!

Can you name a single country where US "humanitarian bombings" and coloured revolutions brought prosperity to the general population? I can't!

 

[mememe]

Absolutely not. America was fighting people who were devoid of rationality.

And according to many, Americans are brainwashed people devoid of rationality. Should you be WMD'd?

 

[regent]

What we can say is that FDR was an unamerican scumbag. It was his name on the Executive Order.

Yep, it was FDR that was responsible. But what about Truman was he also a scum bag for dropping the bombs on Japan? Was MacArthur a scum bag for invading the Philippines when most thought it was not required? Was Ike a scum bag for removing Patton for the slap? Was Obama a scum bag for ordering the demise of Bin Laden?

 

[MikeK]

These "Muj" and "AQI" enjoyed full US support in Afghanistan in 1980-s, in Serbia, in Russia, in all the "stans" of Central Asia, in Libya and in Syria. And yet you are trying to convince me that in Iraq (btw, Al-Q didn't get there until US "liberated" the country!) US was fighting militant Islamists on behalf of Iraqi population!

Can you explain to me, because I really do not get it, what (in your opinion) business was that of US who and how lived in Iraq?!

As for Afghanistan, then I have a surprise for you: until US start stirring shit there supporting Islamic fundamentalists against Soviet influence, the life there was quite different from what it is now, after first US assisted Taliban into power, and then invaded it all together.

There were twenty-one black & white photographs (deleted to save space) following the text in the above message with absolutely no indication of their significance.

What did I miss? What were they about?

 

[Publius1787]

Sure. I would be happy to explain it to you. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Any questions?

And we weren't fighting any terrorists on behalf the Iraqi people. We fought them to prevent a terrorist safe haven after we left.

Funny how socialist praise and defend the countries under the influence of the USSR during the Arab cold war, but demonize the US for doing the same. Look at the staff of all those leaders in Palistine, Egypt, Tunisia, Saddams Iraq, and Iran, etc and you will find a mess of Soviet trained dictatores. Some of which you can see below who attended Soviet universities (just one university for this group) with the intent of sparking socialist revolutions across the middle east, Africa, and south America, expanding soviet influence by arming the Arab, African, and south American revolutionaries. Look! Its Chavez, educated in the USSR. Go figure huh?

Ali Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran (wrote his thesis on holocaust denial)
Fatima Abdel Mahmoud, Sudanese politician, leader of the Sudanese Socialist Democratic Union
Hugo Chávez, 61st and current President of Venezuela
Abed Elrahim Abu Zakrra, Sudanese writer and poet
Bharrat Jagdeo, Former President of Guyana from 1999 to 2011
Irina Khakamada, Russian politician, a member of The Other Russia coalition
Porfirio Lobo Sosa, President of Honduras, a politician and agricultural landowner
Ilich Ramírez Sánchez, Venezuelan terrorist and assassin (expelled)
Lucy Seki, Brazilian linguist
Ganesh Shah, Nepalese politician and member of Communist Party of Nepal (United)
Rohana Wijeweera, Sri Lankan Marxist politician


Look up "the caspian report" on YouTube. That kid is good! You will perhaps have some of your views vindicated there. It's fascinating to say the least!

YouTube - Iran's sphere of influence

None! US finds militant Islamists and plain terrorists, finances them, arms them, supports them to wreck target countries.

And in Afghanistan (80-s), Serbia, Russia, Libya and now Syria you fought alongside them/supported them? How is that possible?

yes, during cold war USSR and US were supporting/helping to power different puppets in their respective sides of the divide. But comparing the life in Afghanistan during Soviet influence and now -- during US influence, can't you see the difference?! And Chavez! He is BRILLIANT in keeping US vultures away from Venezuella's riches!

Can you name a single country where US "humanitarian bombings" and coloured revolutions brought prosperity to the general population? I can't!

Oh, the sheer existence of America brought prosperity to the world. Especially our thoughts of individual rights and capitalism! And the doctrine of "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" will always be a plausible and reasonable. Capitalism has done more for the common man than any thing in the history of the world. Sorry your Soviet dream didn't work out.

In response to your quote: A society that places equality before liberty will have neither. A society that places individual liberty above equality will have a great deal of both.

 

[Unkotare]

There were some interesting responses to this question - and it's a tough one.

Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

Absolutely not. America was fighting people who were devoid of rationality. The Japanese were completely brainwashed into believing it was honorable to die for their regime. Were America not to drop the Atomic bombs, it's an absolute fact an invasion of Japan would have cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of Americans, and many more Japanese civilians. However brutal the use of the A-bombs were, they ultimately saved countless lives on BOTH sides.

You're late. We've already covered dehumanizing an enemy and the flaws in easy simplifications.

 

[Unkotare]

What we can say is that FDR was an unamerican scumbag. It was his name on the Executive Order.

Yep, it was FDR that was responsible. But what about Truman was he also a scum bag for dropping the bombs on Japan?

That's what we're here to discuss.

 

[there4eyeM]

Incarceration of Americans ethnically identified as 'Japanese' was racist and wrong.

Invading Japan was unnecessary (probably Okinawa as well).

Dropping the bombs was wrong.

No one anywhere in WWII was more racist nor more wrong than Japan.

 

[editec]

The Emperor of Japan was NOT in a position to end the war even though it was obvious that Japan was going to be invaded.

Tojo was still in power and his military junta was still in control despite the fact that the emporer wanted to make peace.

THEN the first bomb hit Hiroshima.

The Emporer's political power was suddenly recognized and Japan was suing for peace. They were quibbling about terms of the peace and refusing to accept an "UNCONDITONAL SURRENDER"

Japan's mistake...


But the USA had one more bomb to drop.

 

[Mr. Jones]

Atrocities are only war crimes when others do them......

 

[High_Gravity]

There were some interesting responses to this question - and it's a tough one.

Do you consider the A-bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to be war crimes? ? Japan Today: Japan News and Discussion

No.