A Question of 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists

[Luissa]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

and the 47 story WTC7
and not one of the guys that did the wiring has ever come forward to say, "yeah, i helped wire the explosives"

and what does he think the planes were? Just for show?
If I was going to destroy a building with explosives I would spend millions probably wiring the place and then fly a plane into the building just for the dramatic effect!Maybe that is what is wrong with the economy, our government spent so much money bombing the towers and they got the idea from Lord Of The Rings!

 

[Big_D]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

you make a lot of assumptions on what is possible. and there are people with much more experience and involved in covert operations that I have posted that disagree with your assumption....it may very well of taken months or years... a full peer reviewed inquire intro all aspects of 911 is warranted and required for definitive answers to this cover-up

Fact: An abandoned building less than a third of the size of one WTC building took 24 days to wire for demolition.

Fact: In order to bring down the WTC buildings through controlled demolition, workers would have had to hidden explosives and wires throughout the buildings.

Fact: The WTC buildings had 80,000 visitors (almost 30 million per year) and had 55,000 employees that arrived on a daily basis yet nobody has said they found explosives.

Wouldn't you think that thousands if not millions of people by now would have came forward and say they found explosives before and after the attacks? It just isn't conceivable to have that workers plant explosives in a few buildings that attract almost 30 million people a year without anyone noticing. Wouldn't anyone notice the workers or the explosives themselves?

I will show the experts below on why explosives couldnt have been used.

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: Project On Government Oversight


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." Project On Government Oversight

Divecon is right again. These people are not saying that the attacks were an inside job. They want a new investigation.

Why explosives could not have been used:
"Mark Loizeaux who runs one of the world's leading demolition companies, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, and who holds the world record for bringing down the largest steel structure, the J L Hudson building in Detroit, says it is simply not possible to bring down a building like Tower 7 which was fully occupied and without anybody seeing or hearing something...
Mr Loizeaux also told the BBC that you would need to place hundreds of explosive charges along with miles of initiating cable and miles more detonating cord. And you would find evidence left behind of all these explosive charges, blasting caps and tubes. "

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Conspiracy Files | Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7

"Since their inception in the late 1800s, blasting engineers have understood that building implosions work best when the forces of gravity are maximized. This is why blasters always concentrate their efforts on the lowest floors of a structure. While smaller supplemental charges can be placed on upper floors to facilitate breakage and maximize control as the structure collapses, every implosion ever performed has followed the basic model of obliterating structural supports on the bottom few floors first, "to get the structure moving.""

"...for explosives to be considered as a primary or supplemental catalyst, one
would have to accept that either, a) dozens of charges were placed on those exact impact floors in advance and survived the violent initial explosions and 1100+ degree Fahrenheit fires, or b) while the fires were burning, charges were installed undetected throughout the impact floors and wired together, ostensibly by people hiding in the buildings with boxes of explosives. There is no third choice that could adequately explain explosives causing failure at the exact impact points."

“The chemical properties of explosives and their reaction to heat render scenario A scientifically impossible and scenario B remarkably unlikely, as we know of explosive compound that could withstand such force and/or hear without detaching from the columns or simply burning off prior to detonation.

There are other problems with both scenarios: Given the consistent weight distribution around the outer perimeter of each structure, one would have needed access to a prohibitively large quantity of load-bearing I-beam columns to allow “cutter charges” to initiate failure. Those columns would have needed extensive preparations, also known as “pre-burning”, to allow the explosives to perform their function. And in order to prepare the columns you first had to be able to see the columns, which means at least partially removing the outer-perimeter interior walls of all blast floors, including furniture, plumbing, conduit lines, insulation, etc.

All of this would have been performed within 55 minutes between plane impact and collapse – working in an environment of unspeakable heat and destruction – or have been performed completely undetected, in advance, on multiple floors in both buildings while suffering no adverse effects from planes’ impact with these same areas.

This is impossible.”

-Brent Blanchard
"Director of field operations at Protec Documentation Services...
Protec is one of the world’s most knowledgeable independent authorities on explosive demolition, have performed engineering studies, structure analysis, vibration/air events in more than 30 countries. These include the current world record-holders for documents the work of more than 20 explosives contractors who perform structure blasting as a primary source of revenue…"
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC STUDY 8-06 w clarif as of 9-8-06 .pdf

 

[DiveCon]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

and the 47 story WTC7
and not one of the guys that did the wiring has ever come forward to say, "yeah, i helped wire the explosives"

and what does he think the planes were? Just for show?
If I was going to destroy a building with explosives I would spend millions probably wiring the place and then fly a plane into the building just for the dramatic effect!Maybe that is what is wrong with the economy, our government spent so much money bombing the towers and they got the idea from Lord Of The Rings!

yeah, if you got the buildings wired, why risk damaging the wiring by flying planes into the buildings?
why not just claim the terrorists infiltrated the maintenance staff and secretly wired the building over a period of years

 

[eots]

One of many issues that I never understood about the conspiracy theorist point of view, is how they can believe the government could have placed explosives throughout the 110 WTC building without anyone noticing. The world record for a controlled demolition is the former 33 story J.L. Hudson Department Store. According to this article (Controlled Demolition, Inc. | Press Release) it took them 24 days to plant the explosives throughout this building, which was of course abandoned. Meanwhile, the conspirators believe that our govt could have placed explosives throughout two 110 story buildings which would obviously taken months if not years to finish. All at the same time they would have to be hiding the demolition and doing it without anyone noticing. According to this site (CBC News Indepth: September 11) the WTC had 80,000 visitors a day and had more than 55,000 workers employed there. However, none of these people reported seeing someone planting demolition nor did they find it hidden somewhere. A job of this undertaking would have certainly been uncovered by someone, yet it was not. Obviously, a conspiracy is impossible.

ALL ASSUMPTIONS

Fact: An abandoned building less than a third of the size of one WTC building took 24 days to wire for demolition.

so what...

Fact: In order to bring down the WTC buildings through controlled demolition, workers would have had to hidden explosives and wires throughout the buildings.

with the technolgy and methiods in common use

Fact: The WTC buildings had 80,000 visitors (almost 30 million per year) and had 55,000 employees that arrived on a daily basis yet nobody has said they found explosives.

so what

Wouldn't you think that thousands if not millions of people by now would have came forward and say they found explosives before and after the attacks? It just isn't conceivable to have that workers plant explosives in a few buildings that attract almost 30 million people a year without anyone noticing. Wouldn't anyone notice the workers or the explosives themselves?

there where reports of unprecedented power downs at wtc and of unexplained workers but the testimony was ignored bt the commmision...and lets not forget Marvin Bush's role in security at wtc



I will show the experts below on why explosives couldnt have been used.

Letter to Congress regarding the 9/11 Commission Report 9/13/04, signed by the following 25 military, intelligence, and law enforcement veterans: Project On Government Oversight


"[W]e the undersigned wish to bring to the attention of the Congress and the people of the United States what we believe are serious shortcomings in the report and its recommendations. …

Omission is one of the major flaws in the Commission’s report. We are aware of significant issues and cases that were duly reported to the commission by those of us with direct knowledge, but somehow escaped attention. …

The omission of such serious and applicable issues and information by itself renders the report flawed, and casts doubt on the validity of many of its recommendations. ...

The Commission, with its incomplete report of "facts and circumstances", intentional avoidance of assigning accountability, and disregard for the knowledge, expertise and experience of those who actually do the job, has now set about pressuring our Congress and our nation to hastily implement all its recommendations. ...

We the undersigned, who have worked within various government agencies (FBI, CIA, FAA, DIA, Customs) responsible for national security and public safety, call upon you in Congress to include the voices of those with first-hand knowledge and expertise in the important issues at hand. We stand ready to do our part." Project On Government Oversight

Divecon is right again. These people are not saying that the attacks were an inside job. They want a new investigation.

so you immediately just ignore the individual statements the signatory's ??

Why explosives could not have been used:
"Mark Loizeaux who runs one of the world's leading demolition companies, Controlled Demolition Incorporated, and who holds the world record for bringing down the largest steel structure, the J L Hudson building in Detroit, says it is simply not possible to bring down a building like Tower 7 which was fully occupied and without anybody seeing or hearing something...
Mr Loizeaux also told the BBC that you would need to place hundreds of explosive charges along with miles of initiating cable and miles more detonating cord. And you would find evidence left behind of all these explosive charges, blasting caps and tubes. "

BBC NEWS | Programmes | Conspiracy Files | Q&A: The collapse of Tower 7

"Since their inception in the late 1800s, blasting engineers have understood that building implosions work best when the forces of gravity are maximized. This is why blasters always concentrate their efforts on the lowest floors of a structure. While smaller supplemental charges can be placed on upper floors to facilitate breakage and maximize control as the structure collapses, every implosion ever performed has followed the basic model of obliterating structural supports on the bottom few floors first, "to get the structure moving.""

"...for explosives to be considered as a primary or supplemental catalyst, one
would have to accept that either, a) dozens of charges were placed on those exact impact floors in advance and survived the violent initial explosions and 1100+ degree Fahrenheit fires, or b) while the fires were burning, charges were installed undetected throughout the impact floors and wired together, ostensibly by people hiding in the buildings with boxes of explosives. There is no third choice that could adequately explain explosives causing failure at the exact impact points."

“The chemical properties of explosives and their reaction to heat render scenario A scientifically impossible and scenario B remarkably unlikely, as we know of explosive compound that could withstand such force and/or hear without detaching from the columns or simply burning off prior to detonation.

There are other problems with both scenarios: Given the consistent weight distribution around the outer perimeter of each structure, one would have needed access to a prohibitively large quantity of load-bearing I-beam columns to allow “cutter charges” to initiate failure. Those columns would have needed extensive preparations, also known as “pre-burning”, to allow the explosives to perform their function. And in order to prepare the columns you first had to be able to see the columns, which means at least partially removing the outer-perimeter interior walls of all blast floors, including furniture, plumbing, conduit lines, insulation, etc.

All of this would have been performed within 55 minutes between plane impact and collapse – working in an environment of unspeakable heat and destruction – or have been performed completely undetected, in advance, on multiple floors in both buildings while suffering no adverse effects from planes’ impact with these same areas.

This is impossible.”

-Brent Blanchard
"Director of field operations at Protec Documentation Services...
Protec is one of the world’s most knowledgeable independent authorities on explosive demolition, have performed engineering studies, structure analysis, vibration/air events in more than 30 countries. These include the current world record-holders for documents the work of more than 20 explosives contractors who perform structure blasting as a primary source of revenue…"
http://www.implosionworld.com/Article-WTC STUDY 8-06 w clarif as of 9-8-06 .pdf

The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True



The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True

 

[Big_D]

ALL ASSUMPTIONS

What assumptions am I making?



My quote:Fact: In order to bring down the WTC buildings through controlled demolition, workers would have had to hidden explosives and wires throughout the buildings.
Your quote:

with the technolgy and methiods in common use

Can you clarify this statement? In common use, wires and explosives aren't hidden. Your quote doesn't make any sense.


My quote:Fact: Fact: The WTC buildings had 80,000 visitors (almost 30 million per year) and had 55,000 employees that arrived on a daily basis yet nobody has said they found explosives.

so what

So? Does that not mean anything to you that all those people went through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis and NOBODY has came forward with proof that the buildings were brought down through controlled demolition?

there where reports of unprecedented power downs at wtc and of unexplained workers but the testimony was ignored bt the commmision...and lets not forget Marvin Bush's role in security at wtc

Is that it? First of all, just because there were power downs and unexplained workers it doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. Secondly, there were 30 million visitors to the WTC a year and nobody came forward to state that they found explosives in walls nor did they see workers plant demotion. If our govt did blow up the towers, someone would have came forward with evidence showing that there were explosives hidden in walls by now. The fact that nobody has came forward with this evidence is proof that bush, clinton, and company didn't blow up the towers.

so you immediately just ignore the individual statements the signatory's ??

Of course not. I will take their signature for what it is worth and that is the desire for a new investigation. Their signature is not a statement that they believe it was an inside job.

The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True

Again, you take the word of a philosophy professor over actual experts. As one of my experts said, there would be miles of wires found in the debris from the towers. However, nothing of the such was found. How can you explain that?

 

[eots]

ALL ASSUMPTIONS

What assumptions am I making?



My quote:Fact: In order to bring down the WTC buildings through controlled demolition, workers would have had to hidden explosives and wires throughout the buildings.
Your quote:

with the technolgy and methiods in common use

Can you clarify this statement? In common use, wires and explosives aren't hidden. Your quote doesn't make any sense.


My quote:Fact: Fact: The WTC buildings had 80,000 visitors (almost 30 million per year) and had 55,000 employees that arrived on a daily basis yet nobody has said they found explosives.

So? Does that not mean anything to you that all those people went through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis and NOBODY has came forward with proof that the buildings were brought down through controlled demolition?



Is that it? First of all, just because there were power downs and unexplained workers it doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. Secondly, there were 30 million visitors to the WTC a year and nobody came forward to state that they found explosives in walls nor did they see workers plant demotion. If our govt did blow up the towers, someone would have came forward with evidence showing that there were explosives hidden in walls by now. The fact that nobody has came forward with this evidence is proof that bush, clinton, and company didn't blow up the towers.

so you immediately just ignore the individual statements the signatory's ??

Of course not. I will take their signature for what it is worth and that is the desire for a new investigation. Their signature is not a statement that they believe it was an inside job.


Again, you take the word of a philosophy professor over actual experts. As one of my experts said, there would be miles of wires found in the debris from the towers. However, nothing of the such was found. How can you explain that?

as individuals however the have indeed gave the opinion inside job

and this professor has the admiration and support iof gentlemen such as these


David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997). Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003). Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005). Winner of the 1993 N. F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
Personal blog 1/5/07: "David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True: This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and 7 were brought down by explosives. [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

... I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the "official" assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215).

Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!" http://impactglassman


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Bio: David L Griscom PhD Physicist bio



William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

Endorsement of Debunking 9/11 Debunking 3/30/07: "David Ray Griffin’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods. This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations‚ International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen." Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more



Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's

Essay Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 8/14/06: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." Dissident Voice


Article 9/7/06: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com


Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations."


Audio interview 9/29/06: "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all. It gave the administration what it wanted to support their official story on what happened on the date of September 11 and that's all they cared about. ... It's a monstrous crime. Absolutely a monstrous crime." Electric Politics


Bio: Amal Press

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition

 

[Luissa]

and the 47 story WTC7
and not one of the guys that did the wiring has ever come forward to say, "yeah, i helped wire the explosives"

and what does he think the planes were? Just for show?
If I was going to destroy a building with explosives I would spend millions probably wiring the place and then fly a plane into the building just for the dramatic effect!Maybe that is what is wrong with the economy, our government spent so much money bombing the towers and they got the idea from Lord Of The Rings!

yeah, if you got the buildings wired, why risk damaging the wiring by flying planes into the buildings?
why not just claim the terrorists infiltrated the maintenance staff and secretly wired the building over a period of years

I believe in some conspiracy theories but ones that have some logic to it!
And if they wired the building wouldn't at least a few fireman noticed something when they were looking for people and wouldn't they have found some sort of evidence when they were looking through the remains. If they did that would be the NYFD was also in on it! WoW, it must go deeper then we imagine!!!!!

 

[eots]

there is a lot of testimony from first responders avoided and ignored by the commission

 

[DiveCon]

there is a lot of testimony from first responders avoided and ignored by the commission

look, eots, i'll give you that the 9/11 commision was a farce, but not the way you think
all they did was tell us what we already knew
the facts are available, and have been presented to you many times, you still choose to believe the nonsense and lies of the troofer nutters

 

[Big_D]

ALL ASSUMPTIONS

What assumptions am I making?



My quote:Fact: In order to bring down the WTC buildings through controlled demolition, workers would have had to hidden explosives and wires throughout the buildings.
Your quote:


Can you clarify this statement? In common use, wires and explosives aren't hidden. Your quote doesn't make any sense.


My quote:Fact: Fact: The WTC buildings had 80,000 visitors (almost 30 million per year) and had 55,000 employees that arrived on a daily basis yet nobody has said they found explosives.

So? Does that not mean anything to you that all those people went through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis and NOBODY has came forward with proof that the buildings were brought down through controlled demolition?



Is that it? First of all, just because there were power downs and unexplained workers it doesn't mean there was a conspiracy. Secondly, there were 30 million visitors to the WTC a year and nobody came forward to state that they found explosives in walls nor did they see workers plant demotion. If our govt did blow up the towers, someone would have came forward with evidence showing that there were explosives hidden in walls by now. The fact that nobody has came forward with this evidence is proof that bush, clinton, and company didn't blow up the towers.

Of course not. I will take their signature for what it is worth and that is the desire for a new investigation. Their signature is not a statement that they believe it was an inside job.


Again, you take the word of a philosophy professor over actual experts. As one of my experts said, there would be miles of wires found in the debris from the towers. However, nothing of the such was found. How can you explain that?

as individuals however the have indeed gave the opinion inside job

and this professor has the admiration and support iof gentlemen such as these


David L. Griscom, PhD – Research physicist, retired in 2001 from Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) in Washington, DC, after 33 years service. Fellow of the American Physical Society. Fulbright-García Robles Fellow at Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México in Mexico City (1997). Visiting professorships of research at the Universities of Paris and Saint-Etienne, France, and Tokyo Institute of Technology (2000 - 2003). Adjunct Professor of Materials Science and Engineering, University of Arizona (2004 - 2005). Winner of the 1993 N. F. Mott Award sponsored by the Journal of Non-Crystalline Solids, the 1995 Otto Schott Award offered by the Carl-Zeiss-Stiftung (Germany), a 1996 Outstanding Graduate School Alumnus Award at Brown University, and the 1997 Sigma Xi Pure Science Award at NRL. Principal author of 109 of his 185 published works, a body of work which is highly cited by his peers. Officially credited with largest number of papers (5) by any author on list of 100 most cited articles authored at NRL between 1973 and 1988.
Personal blog 1/5/07: "David Ray Griffin has web-published a splendid, highly footnoted account of The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True: This scholarly work, rich in eyewitness accounts, includes 11 separate pieces of evidence that the World Trade Center towers 1, 2 [each 1300+ feet tall, 110 stories], and 7 were brought down by explosives. [Editor's note: WTC Building 7 was 610 feet tall, 47 stories. It would have been the tallest building in 33 states. Although it was not hit by an airplane, it completely collapsed into a pile of rubble in less than 7 seconds at 5:20 p.m. on 9/11, seven hours after the collapses of the Twin Towers. However, no mention of its collapse appears in the 9/11 Commission's "full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks." Watch the collapse video here. And six years after 9/11, the Federal government has yet to publish its promised final report that explains the cause of its collapse.]

... I implore my fellow physicists and engineers who may have the time, expertise, and (ideally) supercomputer access to get to work on the physics of the World Trade Center collapses and publish their findings in refereed journals like, say, the Journal of Applied Physics.

The issue of knowing who was really behind the 9/11 attacks is of paramount importance to the future of our country, because the "official" assumption that it was the work of 19 Arab amateurs (1) does not match the available facts and (2) has led directly to the deplorable Patriot Act, the illegal Iraq war, NSA spying on ordinary Americans, repudiation of the Geneva Conventions, and the repeal of habeas corpus (a fundamental point of law that has been with us since the signing of the Magna Carta in 1215).

Surely these Orwellian consequences of public ignorance constitute more than sufficient motivation for any patriotic American physicist or engineer to join the search for 9/11 Truth!" http://impactglassman


Member: Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice Association Statement: "Scholars for 9/11 Truth and Justice is a non-partisan organization consisting of independent researchers and activists engaged in uncovering the true nature of the September 11, 2001 attacks."


Bio: David L Griscom PhD Physicist bio



William Christison – Former National Intelligence Officer and Director of the CIA's Office of Regional and Political Analysis. 29-year CIA veteran.

Endorsement of Debunking 9/11 Debunking 3/30/07: "David Ray Griffin’s Debunking 9/11 Debunking is a superb compendium of the strong body of evidence showing the official U.S. Government story of what happened on September 11, 2001 to be almost certainly a monstrous series of lies. Tragically, the entire course of U.S. foreign and domestic policies since that date has grown out of these almost certain falsehoods. This single book could (and should) provide the basis for the United Nations‚ International Court of Justice, or some specially constituted global body (independent of the U.S.) to investigate with highest priority, and publicly report its findings about, the charge that unknown elements within the U.S. Government, and possibly some individuals elsewhere closely allied to the U.S., caused or contributed to causing the events of September 11 to happen." Amazon.com: Online Shopping for Electronics, Apparel, Computers, Books, DVDs & more



Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:
"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition


Editor's

Essay Stop Belittling the Theories About September 11 8/14/06: "I now think there is persuasive evidence that the events of September did not unfold as the Bush administration and the 9/11 Commission would have us believe. … An airliner almost certainly did not hit The Pentagon. … The North and South Towers of the World Trade Center almost certainly did not collapse and fall to earth because hijacked aircraft hit them." Dissident Voice


Article 9/7/06: "David Griffin believes this all was totally an inside job - I've got to say I think that it was too. … I have since decided that....at least some elements in this US government had contributed in some way or other to causing 9/11 to happen or at least allowing it to happen. … The reason that the two towers in New York actually collapsed and fell all the way to the ground was controlled explosions rather than just being hit by two airplanes. … All of the characteristics of these demolitions show that they almost had to have been controlled explosions." Alex Jones' Prison Planet.com


Member: Scientific Panel Investigating Nine-Eleven Association Statement: "We have found solid scientific grounds on which to question the interpretation put upon the events of September 11, 2001 by the Office of the President of the United States of America and subsequently propagated by the major media of western nations."


Audio interview 9/29/06: "We very seriously need an entirely new very high level and truly independent investigation of the events of 9/11. I think you almost have to look at the 9/11 Commission Report as a joke and not a serious piece of analysis at all. It gave the administration what it wanted to support their official story on what happened on the date of September 11 and that's all they cared about. ... It's a monstrous crime. Absolutely a monstrous crime." Electric Politics


Bio: Amal Press

Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Editor's note: For more information on the impact at the Pentagon, see General Stubblebine, Colonel Nelson, Commander Muga, Lt. Col. Kwiatkowski, Lt. Col. Latas, Major Rokke, Capt. Wittenberg, Barbara Honegger, April Gallop, Colonel Bunel, and Steve DeChiaro.


Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:

"The government conspiracy theory does not hold up to scrutiny. As a professional with over 30 years experience working with gas turbines (jet engines) and fuels - kerosene (jet fuel) does not burn in any open flame hot enough to effect steel - well under 1000 deg F. Also bogus are the explanations regarding why no planes were intercepted. SOP [Standard Operating Procedure] is they are always, always intercepted if they stray off course and/or turn off the transponder like these flights all did. No command decision needed. Has our government ever been untruthful to us?" AE911Truth


Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11, signed by more than 500 Architects and Engineers:

"On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the undersigned Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth and affiliates hereby petition for, and demand, a truly independent investigation with subpoena power in order to uncover the full truth surrounding the events of 9/11/01 - specifically the collapse of the World Trade Center Towers and Building 7. We believe that there is sufficient doubt about the official story and therefore that the 9/11 investigation must be re-opened and must include a full inquiry into the possible use of explosives that may have been the actual cause behind the destruction of the World Trade Center Towers and WTC Building 7." Sign the Petition

First of all you ignored all of my other points in the post you are quoting. As I said, 30 million people visited the WTC buildings on a yearly basis and nobody has come forth with evidence that the place was wired for a demolition. Next, as I showed in one article that it took 24 days to plant and wire explosives on a building far smaller than the WTC buildings and the workers didn't have to hide them. Therefore, the employees had to of been working for months if not years without not just one person showing evidence that they seen someone planing and wiring explosives. Also, the demolition would have been hidden for this amount of time also without anyone coming forth with evidence that this was there. Finally, I stated that an expert said that part of the demolition, such as the wires, would have been in the rubble. Yet, nothing was there. You didn't mention any of this in your reply.

 

[Big_D]

Next, in reply to your experts back the hoax theory, you had a number of people who agreed with Griffin yet NONE of them were structure engineers. Some were well out of their area of expertise. As I have shown there are many experts that agree with the official point of view:

Here is one paper on why the WTC building collapsed:
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/405.pdf
-Zdeněk P. Bažant- Professor at Northwestern

his credentials:
"Engineer Zdeněk P. Bažant is best known as a world leader in scaling research in solid mechanics (1–6). His research focuses on the effect of structure size on structural strength as it relates to the failure behavior of the structure. He also has made outstanding advances in structural stability (7), fracture mechanics (8), the micromechanics of material damage (8–10), concrete creep (11–13), and probabilistic mechanics (6, 8, 14). He was elected to the National Academy of Engineering in 1996 and to the National Academy of Sciences in 2002, 1 of only 153 members with such a dual appointment. In his Inaugural Article (1), published in this issue of PNAS, Bažant presents a simple justification of the scaling laws for the fracture of quasibrittle materials such as concrete, rock, fiber composites, and sea ice...In 1996, he received the Prager Medal from the Society of Engineering Science (SES) and the Newmark Medal from the American Society of Civil Engineers. In 1997, the American Society of Mechanical Engineers awarded him the Warner Medal, which recognizes outstanding contributions to the engineering literature. He has received four honorary doctorates and will be presented with a fifth this fall from l'Institut National des Sciences Appliquées in Lyon, France. Bažant has authored or coauthored six books and more than 450 articles in refereed journals. In 2001, he received the award of Highly Cited Researcher, which is given by the Institute for Scientific Information to only 250 authors worldwide across all engineering fields. In addition, he served as president of SES and was founding president of the International Association of Fracture Mechanics and Concrete Structures."
http://www.pnas.org/content/101/37/13397.full.pdf
Inaugural Article: Biography of Zdeněk P. Bažant
Civil and Environmental Engineering - Faculty Profile - Zdenek Bazant


"That impact was too much, and no building could possibly withstand such weight, so floor after floor came down in what we call progressive collapse"
Jets hit towers in most vulnerable spots / Killers appear to have known where to strike
-Hassan Astaneh
His Creditentials:
"CEE professor Hassan Astaneh has been teaching at Berkeley since 1986. He has taught classes on the design of steel structures and advanced steel design engineering mechanics-static. He is an expert in the effects of disasters on steel structures and has testified before Congress on how the structural integrity of the World Trade Center reacted to the terrorist attack."
Engineering News, Date

"This paper uses a finite element model to investigate the stability of the Twin-Towers of the World Trade Center, New York for a number of different fire scenarios."
Edinburgh Research Archive : Item 1842/1216
by
Dr. Asif Usmani
Dr. Y.C. Chung
Dr. Jose Torero
Each of their individual credit MORE than speak for themselves. Just read these below and you will be convinced.
Fire Safety Engineering

Fire Safety Engineering

You might have to read the full article to understand the following quote:
""When that part is wiped out, the structure comes down," Irfanoglu said. "We design structures with some extra capacity to cover some uncertainties, but we never anticipate such heavy demand coming from an aircraft impact. If the columns were distributed, maybe, the fire could not take them out so easily."
Purdue study supports WTC collapse findings - USATODAY.com

Dr. Ayhan Irfanoglu- Engineering professor at Purdue
Amazing credentials: Ayhan Irfanoglu - Purdue University


"The exterior structure is comprised of columns. The vertical load bearing members and the horizontal elements called "beams." When the plane impacted the building, it severely damaged those exterior columns. The following fire further damaged the support columns. So it was a two step event; initial damage by plane and further damage or subsequent loss of structural stability that caused the building to fail. "
CNN.com - Tod Rittenhouse: Why the World Trade Center collapsed - September 13, 2001
-Todd Rittenhouse
His credentials:

"Tod Rittenhouse is an expert in blast engineering from the international consulting engineering firm Weidlinger Associates and has been the blast engineer for a number of embassies and government buildings."

CNN.com - Tod Rittenhouse: Why the World Trade Center collapsed - September 13, 2001



"The simulation merges a realistic-looking visualization of the airliner approaching the building with a technical, science-based animation of the plane crashing into the structure.

"This is going to be a tremendous asset," said Mete Sozen, Purdue’s Kettelhut Distinguished Professor of Structural Engineering. "Eventually, I hope this will be expanded into a model that we can use to help design structures to resist severe impact loads.

"Using this simulation I can do the so-called ’what-if’ study, testing hypothetical scenarios before actually building a structure."

The simulation can be recorded on a DVD and played on an ordinary personal computer.

The software tool is unusual because it uses principles of physics to simulate how a plane’s huge mass of fuel and cargo impacts a building. The plane’s structure caused relatively little damage, and the explosion and fire that resulted from the crash also are not likely to have been dominant factors in the disaster, Sozen said.

The model indicates the most critical effects were from the mass moving at high velocity.

"At that speed, the plane itself is like a sausage skin," Sozen said. "It doesn’t have much strength and virtually crumbles on impact."

-Dr. Mete Sozen: Engineering professor at Purdue
https://engineering.purdue.edu/CE/People/view_person?resource_id=2260

 

[eots]

you cant even concede the facts...

 

[eots]

You Tube Expands 9/11 Truth Purge

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 23, 2009



You Tube has permanently suspended another major 9/11 truth account in a continuation of the purge that began following efforts by the establishment to smear the 9/11 truth movement as terrorist propaganda.

You Tube has previously been caught blocking 9/11 truth videos from entering into top ranking charts for both views and comments despite their enduring popularity.

It also has a record of wanton censorship in deleting videos that are artistically crafted compilations and the furthest possible thing from copyright violation, such as the “Question Your Reality” video.

You Tube has now completely deleted the “OneDeadDJ” user account, which was used to display videos on Prison Planet.com, and in particular video clips relating to the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes in advance.


Upon attempting to login to the account, one is met with the message, “Your account has been permanently disabled”. No explanation as to why is given.

One of the videos deleted by You Tube, which features in the article “BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell,” had over 1 million views and nearly 45,000 comments before it was pulled this week.

Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

 

[Big_D]

You Tube Expands 9/11 Truth Purge

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 23, 2009



You Tube has permanently suspended another major 9/11 truth account in a continuation of the purge that began following efforts by the establishment to smear the 9/11 truth movement as terrorist propaganda.

You Tube has previously been caught blocking 9/11 truth videos from entering into top ranking charts for both views and comments despite their enduring popularity.

It also has a record of wanton censorship in deleting videos that are artistically crafted compilations and the furthest possible thing from copyright violation, such as the “Question Your Reality” video.

You Tube has now completely deleted the “OneDeadDJ” user account, which was used to display videos on Prison Planet.com, and in particular video clips relating to the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes in advance.


Upon attempting to login to the account, one is met with the message, “Your account has been permanently disabled”. No explanation as to why is given.

One of the videos deleted by You Tube, which features in the article “BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell,” had over 1 million views and nearly 45,000 comments before it was pulled this week.

Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

Here is the problem arguing with you. When we are debating one issue and after it seems that you are defeated, you drop it and start talking about something else. I made the point that it would have taken workers months if not years to plant and wire demolition throughout the WTC buildings. Since, 30 million people would have gone through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis, most of which would be tourists with camera on hand, would have noticed this wiring and have evidence of it. Therefore, by now someone would have shown evidence that there was demolition in the buildings. After stating this you avoid the issue and bring up this article which had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

 

[eots]

You Tube Expands 9/11 Truth Purge

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 23, 2009



You Tube has permanently suspended another major 9/11 truth account in a continuation of the purge that began following efforts by the establishment to smear the 9/11 truth movement as terrorist propaganda.

You Tube has previously been caught blocking 9/11 truth videos from entering into top ranking charts for both views and comments despite their enduring popularity.

It also has a record of wanton censorship in deleting videos that are artistically crafted compilations and the furthest possible thing from copyright violation, such as the “Question Your Reality” video.

You Tube has now completely deleted the “OneDeadDJ” user account, which was used to display videos on Prison Planet.com, and in particular video clips relating to the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes in advance.


Upon attempting to login to the account, one is met with the message, “Your account has been permanently disabled”. No explanation as to why is given.

One of the videos deleted by You Tube, which features in the article “BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell,” had over 1 million views and nearly 45,000 comments before it was pulled this week.

Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

Here is the problem arguing with you. When we are debating one issue and after it seems that you are defeated, you drop it and start talking about something else.

you have not even come close to dereating anything...


I made the point that it would have taken workers months if not years to plant and wire demolition throughout the WTC buildings. Since, 30 million people would have gone through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis, most of which would be tourists with camera on hand, would have noticed this wiring and have evidence of it. Therefore, by now someone would have shown evidence that there was demolition in the buildings. After stating this you avoid the issue and bring up this article which had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

it is related to the issue and is current...and I have already addressed your assumptions
and the fact that evidence is with held first responder and eyewitness testimony disregarded at will by the commision...to the point that wtc 7 was completely omitted. from the report.

 

[DiveCon]

You Tube Expands 9/11 Truth Purge

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Friday, January 23, 2009



You Tube has permanently suspended another major 9/11 truth account in a continuation of the purge that began following efforts by the establishment to smear the 9/11 truth movement as terrorist propaganda.

You Tube has previously been caught blocking 9/11 truth videos from entering into top ranking charts for both views and comments despite their enduring popularity.

It also has a record of wanton censorship in deleting videos that are artistically crafted compilations and the furthest possible thing from copyright violation, such as the “Question Your Reality” video.

You Tube has now completely deleted the “OneDeadDJ” user account, which was used to display videos on Prison Planet.com, and in particular video clips relating to the BBC reporting the collapse of Building 7 over 20 minutes in advance.


Upon attempting to login to the account, one is met with the message, “Your account has been permanently disabled”. No explanation as to why is given.

One of the videos deleted by You Tube, which features in the article “BBC Reported Building 7 Collapse 20 Minutes Before It Fell,” had over 1 million views and nearly 45,000 comments before it was pulled this week.

Alex Jones' Infowars.com: Because there is a war on for your mind!

Here is the problem arguing with you. When we are debating one issue and after it seems that you are defeated, you drop it and start talking about something else. I made the point that it would have taken workers months if not years to plant and wire demolition throughout the WTC buildings. Since, 30 million people would have gone through the WTC buildings on a yearly basis, most of which would be tourists with camera on hand, would have noticed this wiring and have evidence of it. Therefore, by now someone would have shown evidence that there was demolition in the buildings. After stating this you avoid the issue and bring up this article which had nothing to do with what I was talking about.

welcome to the world of 9/11 troofers

 

[eots]

says the poster boy for denial...

 

[Big_D]

you have not even come close to dereating anything...

Then why can't you refute the article instead of changing the subject?

it is related to the issue and is current...

The issue wasn't whether youtube was showing 9/11 hoax videos.

and I have already addressed your assumptions

All what you said is that there was testimony ignored by the 9/11 commission. That doesn't explain why none of the 30 million people who visited the WTC yearly haven't come forth with evidence that the place was wired. Do you really believe that none of those people nor the 55,000 that worked there never noticed anything?

and the fact that evidence is with held first responder and eyewitness testimony disregarded at will by the commision...to the point that wtc 7 was completely omitted. from the report.

Even if that is true, then it doesnt explain why nobody found anything in the first two towers.

 

[DiveCon]

I'm the poster boy for denial...

yeah, you do deny the truth


Fixed for truth

 

[Godboy]

Blah blah blah. Yeah, you guys have all the facts dont you. The only way you can even begin to believe the 9/11 truthers version of this is by ignoring ALL the evidence that points to this being a terrorist act committed by Islamo-fascists, by crashing planes into buildings.

You know what, lets just dispense with the debate, in fact, if your proof of this being an inside job is so solid, why are we even debating it at all? If you got proof, PROVE IT THEN, or shut the fuck up for christ sake. You guys are retarded.