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[alang1216]

Only to the ignorant and poorly educated. If you need something from the OP explained to you, quote each portion, with your question, and I’ll enlighten you.

The OP I understood, it was your response that confused me since it sure didn't sound like love to me.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Let me talk to the homosexuals. I am a Republican. So did I do things against homosexuals?

Actually they want Marriage. But they could not persuade the voters to hand them marriage. We handed them civil unions. My god, they were pissed. We did not knock their civil unions. We had court approvals. But they were pissed. We did not call them names. We voted to help them. They were pissed.

Seems they still are pissed. What could be more hateful than the diatribe above by Augustine?

Homos are still pissed because we are protecting our kids from these perverts.

 

[Robert W]

Homos are still pissed because we are protecting our kids from these perverts.

I was watching the film called American Rust. My god, it took several episodes and they suddenly had two homosexual men kissing each other very passionately. The episodes are not over and I plan to keep watching it due to it having Jeff Daniels as a wayward cop.

I do not want or need to see two male actors kissing using tongues.

 

[Robert W]

Homos are still pissed because we are protecting our kids from these perverts.

Adults who refuse to protect children ought to be locked up.

 

[Foxfyre]

I have a sincere question for the lefties here.
Why do you so many of you label disagreement as “hate”?
Example:
“I believe marriage is a religious institution, between a man and a woman.”
Lefty answer: “Why do you hate gays?”
Or:
“”I’m against abortion.”
Lefty answer: “Why do you hate women?”

Is it an Alinsky thing, painting your adversaries as extremist haters?
Something else?

And they do not want the debate to ever be about women who don't hate women but do want the unborn protected.

They do not want the debate to ever be about loving gay people AND believing marriage should be between a man and a woman.

They insist that if you do not embrace the woke dogma and doctrines, no matter how irrational, silly, and/or unsupportable, you are a hater.

That's what makes the woke 'religion' so damaging. It requires people not to think or reason or use logic or abstract or critical thought.

 

[Orangecat]

The OP I understood, it was your response that confused me since it sure didn't sound like love to me.

Do you believe that not showing love is the same as hating?
There are a great number of things that I neither love nor hate.

 

[Orangecat]

but to say liberals hate while conservatives only engage in hyperbole is disingenuous.

Actually, what I meant in the OP is that when people accuse others of hate, it’s most often hyperbole. For example, disagreeing with making gay marriage legal is not necessarily a hatred of gays. To blanket assume so is illogical hyperbole. My only real question is why do people do it so often here?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

To give an example, I happen to be supportive of gay people, support gay marriage and think what two consenting adults do in private is their own concern.

I get called a hater, though, because I oppose adults preying on children, grooming children towards a compliant sexual end or exposing them to gay pornography and sexual burlesque.

That show how FAR we have gone beyond tolerance as people now have to support the sexual manipulation of children to avoid being called names.

 

[Robert W]

And they do not want the debate to ever be about women who don't hate women but do want the unborn protected.

They do not want the debate to ever be about loving gay people AND believing marriage should be between a man and a woman.

They insist that if you do not embrace the woke dogma and doctrines, no matter how irrational, silly, and/or unsupportable, you are a hater.

That's what makes the woke 'religion' so damaging. It requires people not to think or reason or use logic or abstract or critical thought.

When I read gay, I think of the man my sister married and she complained that the 4 times they had sex is when she got pregnant. He turned out to be a homosexual. Now he is dead. Dead when AIDs was profound. I had lost track of him after he and Sis got divorced. So I do not know his cause of death. I had a Brother Jim who departed CA and moved to NY City. And or course relished the homosexual life. I knew he was a homosexual. But he was also my brother. I was also a sound Democrat then. I mean very devoted to Democrats. Jim also got smitten with drinking prodigous amounts of beer and Beer killed him per the Doctors who treated him. And he died a democrat.

What you said I can sure believe since I believe strongly marriage still is a man to a woman. It is so old of an institution we need to treat marriage reverently and not talk as if a marriage is a man to a man or woman to a woman. That makes no sense at all. It destroys a lot of centuries of a fine institution to convert to being for homosexuals. They don't need it anyway.

 

[beagle9]

I was watching the film called American Rust. My god, it took several episodes and they suddenly had two homosexual men kissing each other very passionately. The episodes are not over and I plan to keep watching it due to it having Jeff Daniels as a wayward cop.

I do not want or need to see two male actors kissing using tongues.

Once I see anything like that in a show then it's over. I don't give a darn what the show is about, how good it was or who starred in it, I won't watch it anymore, and my family don't like it either. I don't believe in that kind of thing. Sorry it's not right in the lord's eyes period. I don't hate anyone, but I can't go along with things like that coming across on my TV, and that's why they make channel changers.

 

[Augustine_]

So you hate children
And real women

No, you decrepit old bat

 

[Robert W]

Once I see anything like that in a show then it's over. I don't give a darn what the show is about, how good it was or who starred in it, I won't watch it anymore, and my family don't like it either. I don't believe in that kind of thing. Sorry it's not right in the lord's eyes period. I don't hate anyone, but I can't go along with things like that coming across on my TV, and that's why they make channel changers.

I feel as you feel. I am watching season 2 of American Rust because the few times homosexuals kiss deeply is when I cover my eyes. It never lasts over a couple of minutes and the story line is pretty good.

What does the producer want the audience to do when they kiss? It makes me puke. Or feel like puking.

 

[alang1216]

Do you believe that not showing love is the same as hating?
There are a great number of things that I neither love nor hate.

Most people disagree with my values and that is fine. Some people call me names and that makes it personal and comes from hate I believe.

 

[alang1216]

Actually, what I meant in the OP is that when people accuse others of hate, it’s most often hyperbole. For example, disagreeing with making gay marriage legal is not necessarily a hatred of gays. To blanket assume so is illogical hyperbole. My only real question is why do people do it so often here?

The internet is anonymous so it is akin to seeing what someone does in the privacy of their home and it is not always a pretty sight. My guideline is that I won't write something on USMB that I wouldn't say to that person face-to-face.

 

[DudleySmith]

Well played, but I don’t hate him. Pretty cunning dude, imho.

Alinsky is Gramsci Lite; he never invented his stuff himself, he stole whole from Gramsci's writings. He's another academic fraudster and thief.

 

[DudleySmith]

Mostly? Because he was an evil, soulless agent of chaos. He made no attempt to hide how twisted he was.

". . . Now, a crucial clarification: I don’t think it’s technically accurate to say that Rules for Radicals is “dedicated” to Lucifer, as is often claimed by Alinsky’s detractors. (It’s also hard to criticize them for making that assumption.) Looking at the book carefully, it appears to be dedicated to one person: There is a page that says simply “To Irene,” and nothing else. On the page prior to the Irene dedication is a list of “Personal Acknowledgements,” where Alinsky lists four friends: Jason Epstein, Cicely Nichols, Susan Rabiner, and Georgia Harper. Following the Irene page is another page, the controversial one, in which Alinsky offers three quotes, the first from a Rabbi Hillel, the second from Thomas Paine, and the third from Alinsky himself, giving his nod to Lucifer. One well-known fact-checker source (Snopes) describes this as “three epigraphs on an introductory page.” I suppose that’s an acceptable way to characterize it. And the third of the three is an “epigraph” (if you will) to Satan.

But we shouldn’t let Alinsky off the Lucifer hook so easily.

Alinsky, for one, was asked about the Lucifer acknowledgment in his March 1972 interview with Playboy magazine near the end of his life, a swan-song that every Alinsky aficionado knows about. Here’s the exchange, which came at the very end of the interview, with Playboy apparently judging it a fittingly provocative close to the extremely lengthy interview:

PLAYBOY: Having accepted your own mortality, do you believe in any kind of afterlife?

ALINSKY: Sometimes it seems to me that the question people should ask is not “Is there life after death?” but “Is there life after birth?” I don’t know whether there’s anything after this or not. I haven’t seen the evidence one way or the other and I don’t think anybody else has either. But I do know that man’s obsession with the question comes out of his stubborn refusal to face up to his own mortality. Let’s say that if there is an afterlife, and I have anything to say about it, I will unreservedly choose to go to hell.

PLAYBOY: Why?

ALINSKY: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I’ve been with the have-nots. Over here, if you’re a have-not, you’re short of dough. If you’re a have-not in hell, you’re short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I’ll start organizing the have-nots over there.

PLAYBOY: Why them?

ALINSKY: They’re my kind of people.

“They’re my kind of people,” said Alinsky. “Hell would be heaven for me.”

Tongue-in-cheek again? Yuk, yuk, yuk. Hilarious, just hilarious.

For the record, when I googled the Alinsky-Playboy interview this week I found the aforementioned excerpt posted at (among other places) a Satanist website. There, the author, in an article titled, “Saul D. Alinsky: A role model for left-wing Satanists,” writes of the exchange: “I’m not sure whether Alinsky really was a Satanist/Luciferian of some sort or whether he was just joking. He may well have been just joking.”

Maybe. Pretty funny, eh?"

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The vast majority of 'Marxists' are assorted perverts and sociopaths, and pagans as well; they just hide their mental illnesses behind the pseudo-intellectual veneer of 'radical ideology'. So do Ayn Rand cultists and far right sociopaths as well.

 

[Orangecat]

Alinsky is Gramsci Lite; he never invented his stuff himself, he stole whole from Gramsci's writings. He's another academic fraudster and thief.

Well, if you can get away with plagiarizing someone else's words, you're at least more cunning than Biden.

 

[Robert W]

Alinsky is Gramsci Lite; he never invented his stuff himself, he stole whole from Gramsci's writings. He's another academic fraudster and thief.

Not today, Saul is well rotting.

 

[martybegan]

Because you kids don't say things like "I'm against abortion" you say "hang the baby murderers!!" while foaming at the mouth and gnashing your teeth and then tell lies about "post birth abortions".

DERf'nP.

Every single person who doesn't believe in abortion on demand up until the last second before birth says "hang the baby murderers"?

Every single one?

 

[Crepitus]

Every single person who doesn't believe in abortion on demand up until the last second before birth says "hang the baby murderers"?

Every single one?

The ones here do, and that's who we are talking about.