A question for Republicans

[Intense]

no. we should all pay a flat tax. but progressives insist on a progressive tax.

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

 

[beagle9]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Once people have money that they have already paid taxes on to the gov't, should the gov't tax them again for what they do with the money that they earned?

If people do not invest their money for their future, should the gov't be able to tax them extra and do an "investment plan" for them?

No, the gov't should not tax money that has already been taxed, and is then invested. Any money earned in the form of value or interest should belong to the person that made the risk (the gov't risked nothing). It would be a great incentive for every person to invest in their future.

Yes, but the government who has no income other than what is taken from us, looks out into the world of what is going on all around it, and it views how many people are being outcasted these days in response to what the rich consider is just doing business by them, and so these people are being thrown upon the governments doorstep for it to then take care of, while the rich donot look back or think about them anymore once rid of them. This can be in result of technology changing so fast, thus causing people to become outdated in certain fields that are moving at lightening speed these days, outsourcing by the rich to make extreme profits from by doing so, extreme greed, bad risk taking and etc. that can cause thousands to be set upon the doorstep of the government looking for help in a heart beat anymore, not to mention what went on for the rich in concerns of the illegals in this nation, where they (the rich business men) were working them under cover (if the shoe fits then wear it), and getting government to go along with it, where as government was subsidizing these peoples needs at the expense of working class Americans jobs and higher taxes because of, while those same working class Americans were being cast upon the doorstep of the government for it to then take care of.

Now what should the government do in all of this? Allow the rich to make billions, yet have not enough itself coming in afterwards, in order to take care of the millions who have been cast aside by the rich once they have been used up and thrown away for what ever reason? No it shouldn't, but what is the proper response by government in these situations encountered these days? Anyone !

 

[Intense]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Once people have money that they have already paid taxes on to the gov't, should the gov't tax them again for what they do with the money that they earned?

If people do not invest their money for their future, should the gov't be able to tax them extra and do an "investment plan" for them?

No, the gov't should not tax money that has already been taxed, and is then invested. Any money earned in the form of value or interest should belong to the person that made the risk (the gov't risked nothing). It would be a great incentive for every person to invest in their future.

Yes, but the government who has no income other than what is taken from us, looks out into the world of what is going on all around it, and it views how many people are being outcasted these days in response to what the rich consider is just doing business by them, and so these people are being thrown upon the governments doorstep for it to then take care of, while the rich donot look back or think about them anymore once rid of them. This can be in result of technology changing so fast, thus causing people to become outdated in certain fields that are moving at lightening speed these days, outsourcing by the rich to make extreme profits from by doing so, extreme greed, bad risk taking and etc. that can cause thousands to be set upon the doorstep of the government looking for help in a heart beat anymore, not to mention what went on for the rich in concerns of the illegals in this nation, where they (the rich business men) were working them under cover (if the shoe fits then wear it), and getting government to go along with it, where as government was subsidizing these peoples needs at the expense of working class Americans jobs and higher taxes because of, while those same working class Americans were being cast upon the doorstep of the government for it to then take care of.

Now what should the government do in all of this? Allow the rich to make billions, yet have not enough itself coming in afterwards, in order to take care of the millions who have been cast aside by the rich once they have been used up and thrown away for what ever reason? No it shouldn't, but what is the proper response by government in these situations encountered these days? Anyone !

Government needs to stop subsidizing Assholes, both Rich and Poor, for a start. Monopolies are bad business to. Let's focus on developing skills, opening markets to fair competition, and Policing rather than Dictating.

 

[Rozman]

The question should be asked of the Democrats.
Just how many times should someones money be taxed.
It's taxed when it is earned then taxed again when it is invested
and money was made off that money that was already taxed.
Fair enough so far.

Now the Democrats want to use this in their campaign
for the White House as the rich doing something illegal
or under the table,a little shady because the Democrat party is the party of the righteous
and the GOP are a bunch of liars and cheats or worse...

The left are a bunch of dirt bags who will do anything to keep power.

 

[GuyPinestra]

The government's role, as defined by those old farts that designed it, is to protect individual liberty, provide for the common defense and promote the GENERAL welfare. That's it, nothing else.

Equality of opportunity does NOT equal equality of outcome.

If you took all the wealth of this nation and divided it equally among all of it's citizens, in 5 years we'd be having this 'class warfare' argument again. Those with the desire to 'get it done' will, and those with the desire to 'let it slide' will.

 

[DontBeStupid]

no. we should all pay a flat tax. but progressives insist on a progressive tax.

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

It is a scam. And if companies paid workers better wages, then it would not be a problem. Right?

 

[Intense]

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

It is a scam. And if companies paid workers better wages, then it would not be a problem. Right?

Yes and no. It needs to stay afloat or everyone loses. Good times, hard times, maintenance, administration, retrofit or modernization, something not everyone thinks about, after they punch out. Businesses need to remain competitive, or they lose. If you think you have the drive and skill, go into competition. Life is tough. There are no free rides. I'm for fair compensation all around, and support it.

 

[Ernie S.]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Simply put, yes.

 

[Sunshine]

no. we should all pay a flat tax. but progressives insist on a progressive tax.

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

Can you give an example?

 

[Ernie S.]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Once people have money that they have already paid taxes on to the gov't, should the gov't tax them again for what they do with the money that they earned?

If people do not invest their money for their future, should the gov't be able to tax them extra and do an "investment plan" for them?

No, the gov't should not tax money that has already been taxed, and is then invested. Any money earned in the form of value or interest should belong to the person that made the risk (the gov't risked nothing). It would be a great incentive for every person to invest in their future.

Yes, but the government who has no income other than what is taken from us, looks out into the world of what is going on all around it, and it views how many people are being outcasted these days in response to what the rich consider is just doing business by them, and so these people are being thrown upon the governments doorstep for it to then take care of, while the rich donot look back or think about them anymore once rid of them. This can be in result of technology changing so fast, thus causing people to become outdated in certain fields that are moving at lightening speed these days, outsourcing by the rich to make extreme profits from by doing so, extreme greed, bad risk taking and etc. that can cause thousands to be set upon the doorstep of the government looking for help in a heart beat anymore, not to mention what went on for the rich in concerns of the illegals in this nation, where they (the rich business men) were working them under cover (if the shoe fits then wear it), and getting government to go along with it, where as government was subsidizing these peoples needs at the expense of working class Americans jobs and higher taxes because of, while those same working class Americans were being cast upon the doorstep of the government for it to then take care of.

Now what should the government do in all of this? Allow the rich to make billions, yet have not enough itself coming in afterwards, in order to take care of the millions who have been cast aside by the rich once they have been used up and thrown away for what ever reason? No it shouldn't, but what is the proper response by government in these situations encountered these days? Anyone !

You really shouldn't post drunk, Puppy dog.

No one has been cast aside by the rich. The rich got that way from hard work, good ideas and sound business practice,. but you try to paint them as somehow evil. It's liberal dogma to paint certain wealthy people as evil.
You could at least, be consistent.
Exxon is evil! They enjoy an 8.4% profit margin. Apple is good at at 34.2%. Google is good with a 25.7% margin but Walmart is bad at 3.8%

As far as raising taxes on the evil rich, could you somehow justify taxing the man who makes a $50 million salary $12 million while the guy making $50 thousand pays $8K?

 

[Sunshine]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Once people have money that they have already paid taxes on to the gov't, should the gov't tax them again for what they do with the money that they earned?

If people do not invest their money for their future, should the gov't be able to tax them extra and do an "investment plan" for them?

No, the gov't should not tax money that has already been taxed, and is then invested. Any money earned in the form of value or interest should belong to the person that made the risk (the gov't risked nothing). It would be a great incentive for every person to invest in their future.

Yes, but the government who has no income other than what is taken from us, looks out into the world of what is going on all around it, and it views how many people are being outcasted these days in response to what the rich consider is just doing business by them, and so these people are being thrown upon the governments doorstep for it to then take care of, while the rich donot look back or think about them anymore once rid of them. This can be in result of technology changing so fast, thus causing people to become outdated in certain fields that are moving at lightening speed these days, outsourcing by the rich to make extreme profits from by doing so, extreme greed, bad risk taking and etc. that can cause thousands to be set upon the doorstep of the government looking for help in a heart beat anymore, not to mention what went on for the rich in concerns of the illegals in this nation, where they (the rich business men) were working them under cover (if the shoe fits then wear it), and getting government to go along with it, where as government was subsidizing these peoples needs at the expense of working class Americans jobs and higher taxes because of, while those same working class Americans were being cast upon the doorstep of the government for it to then take care of.

Now what should the government do in all of this? Allow the rich to make billions, yet have not enough itself coming in afterwards, in order to take care of the millions who have been cast aside by the rich once they have been used up and thrown away for what ever reason? No it shouldn't, but what is the proper response by government in these situations encountered these days? Anyone !

I just went out and looked up and down my street for Oliver Twist. I'm sure he'll be along any second now!

 

[beagle9]

no. we should all pay a flat tax. but progressives insist on a progressive tax.

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

This is good, but in concerns of the rate in which people are becoming idled these days, is this enough to even rectify the situation? I think what the problem in which the government is seeing in it all these days, is that to many are fast ending up on the roles of assistance programs, and at lightening speed it all is happening now. This is all due to the way the private sector & government jointly, has handled it's business for the last 25 years now.

This is why I think that the government has a sharp eye now on those who have prospered in the ways that they have done business by allowance of and/or was allowed to do freely without a whole lot of regulation or intrusion waged upon them at the time like it does now.

Now the government ( be it conservative or democratic) did stand behind them (the elite) when they were going about it all, but now we have a huge (crisis / fall out) on our hands, where hundreds of thousands of American workers have been idled because of the way business was being conducted (and yes these Americans would work to), and this was at times in their lives when they were at their peak performance and/or age levels, yet when they were idled the many of them in which the created crisis has since ensnared them in, didnot allow for them to retire at that point the many of them, and so they were put in the unemployment lines next, and by the thousands it happened so quickly. Now the goverenment is stuck with the task of figuring out what exactly to do with all these people being idled by this crude and shrude game as it was played now, in which was played out on the nation without any future vision of such a fall out, that would then come quickly soon there after. I would hate to think of what would happen if this was Nazi Germany right now.

Now the troops are coming home, adding to the numbers once again, so what will be the answer if the private sector just says "stay the hec away from my money we made", and yet it isn't showing any real will to properly re-invest that money again (hoarding it), and then it don't invest that money (sitting on it), nor does it pay enough in taxes in order to make a difference anyway for America found in the collective. It will be hard for even the government to withstand all the failures found in it all now, especially if the wealth has been super concentrated amongst the ones who made out like a bandit over the last 25 years freely, yet now are saying hey ( I got mine, now go get yours), when the stage is no longer set for the working class to get theirs anymore.

All this stuff is causing a possible nanny state to be formed in order to rectify the situation, but this is defintely not what we want either in this nation, where as the government begins scheming in all sorts of bad ways, in order to raise revenues somehow, because the private sector isn't doing enough, can't do enough, and won't in which further oppresses the middle and the poor who have been left in this way now, and sadly it was all due to the game that had been played wrongly for way to long now in America that these things have since come about.

What to do, ohhh what to do now? Keep your eyes on freedom yall, because there will be all kinds of scheme's now going on, in which will threaten this nations freedom and liberties, in order to opease the situation somehow and/or in some way. We can do this, and we can do it while protecting good capitalism, freedom and liberty in the process. Just have to make a new start, and leave the old mess behind quickly, but do it all in a way that re-instills what America is supposed to be, and is going to move towards again.

 

[Ernie S.]

Actually, we insist on progressive tax rates, but at any given amount, we all agree it should be the same rate regardless of the source of the income.

We actually, you know, kind of agree on this.

What you fail to comprehend is that a person making more, paying the same percentage as someone making less, is paying progressively more, even at the same rate, he's just paying at the same rate. He is being Taxed when he spends it too. Progressively more, because he spends more. Everyone needs to start paying in, that is the big problem today, too many pay zero income tax, even though they earn taxable income. That's a scam in itself.

It is a scam. And if companies paid workers better wages, then it would not be a problem. Right?

If workers were actually worth more money, they would earn more. I would guess that you actually pay your boss to let you hang around.

 

[Sunshine]

Once people have money that they have already paid taxes on to the gov't, should the gov't tax them again for what they do with the money that they earned?

If people do not invest their money for their future, should the gov't be able to tax them extra and do an "investment plan" for them?

No, the gov't should not tax money that has already been taxed, and is then invested. Any money earned in the form of value or interest should belong to the person that made the risk (the gov't risked nothing). It would be a great incentive for every person to invest in their future.

Yes, but the government who has no income other than what is taken from us, looks out into the world of what is going on all around it, and it views how many people are being outcasted these days in response to what the rich consider is just doing business by them, and so these people are being thrown upon the governments doorstep for it to then take care of, while the rich donot look back or think about them anymore once rid of them. This can be in result of technology changing so fast, thus causing people to become outdated in certain fields that are moving at lightening speed these days, outsourcing by the rich to make extreme profits from by doing so, extreme greed, bad risk taking and etc. that can cause thousands to be set upon the doorstep of the government looking for help in a heart beat anymore, not to mention what went on for the rich in concerns of the illegals in this nation, where they (the rich business men) were working them under cover (if the shoe fits then wear it), and getting government to go along with it, where as government was subsidizing these peoples needs at the expense of working class Americans jobs and higher taxes because of, while those same working class Americans were being cast upon the doorstep of the government for it to then take care of.

Now what should the government do in all of this? Allow the rich to make billions, yet have not enough itself coming in afterwards, in order to take care of the millions who have been cast aside by the rich once they have been used up and thrown away for what ever reason? No it shouldn't, but what is the proper response by government in these situations encountered these days? Anyone !

You really shouldn't post drunk, Puppy dog.

No one has been cast aside by the rich. The rich got that way from hard work, good ideas and sound business practice,. but you try to paint them as somehow evil. It's liberal dogma to paint certain wealthy people as evil.
You could at least, be consistent.
Exxon is evil! They enjoy an 8.4% profit margin. Apple is good at at % ma34.2%. Google is good with a 25.7% margin but Walmart is bad at 3.8%

As far as raising taxes on the evil rich, could you somehow justify taxing the man who makes a $50 million salary $12 million while the guy making $50 thousand pays $8K?

Except for Joe Kennedy who made his bootlegging. But hey! We can't all be perfect now can we?

 

[PredFan]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

No, and they don't. They pay exactly the same taxes we do, but you probably know that.

 

[PredFan]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Once again you dumb ass, they pay the LEGAL rates based on what their income sources are. I don't see you screaming for all the rich Liberals to pay extra.

The Buffett Rule will apply to rich liberals and rich conservatives.

So I AM screaming for all the rich liberals to pay extra.

Buffet pays exactly the same taxes as his secretary. That is a fact.

 

[DontBeStupid]

Once again you dumb ass, they pay the LEGAL rates based on what their income sources are. I don't see you screaming for all the rich Liberals to pay extra.

The Buffett Rule will apply to rich liberals and rich conservatives.

So I AM screaming for all the rich liberals to pay extra.

Buffet pays exactly the same taxes as his secretary. That is a fact.

You're being dishonest to the conversation. We're talking about tax rates and overall tax rates.

 

[PredFan]

You did not answer the question....

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

They should pay whatever rate the government sets. That's kind of the point of government.

The issue, as I see it, is that you can't differentiate between income tax and capital gains. You cannot increase the rate of Capital Gains.... because the US has to remain competitive with other countries, such as the EU.... do you know what the Capital Gains rate is in Europe? Do you know what will happen if you push ours up too high? Are you capable of putting your irrational hatred of others aside long enough to think logically?

Yes. The lowering the capital gains tax encourages people to cash in their investments and pull them out. Quite the opposite of what you are saying.

Complete garbage. Lowering the capital gains taxes encourages people to invest more of their money.

 

[Sunshine]

The Buffett Rule will apply to rich liberals and rich conservatives.

So I AM screaming for all the rich liberals to pay extra.

You're not 'screaming', you're whining.

Tax 'em out of the country. Great idea, idiot boy.

You did not answer the question....

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

Why are you using Sean Connery for your avatar? He is, after all, rich an, therefore, evil!

I mean you really should find a mendicant Arthur to use if you want to make a statement!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Should the idle rich, who don't work, pay taxes at a lower rate than people who do work?

isn't 15% of 50,000,000 dollars at 7.5 million dollars enough for one person to pay out of their own pocket?