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Do You think Roosevelt reflected more on Madison/Jefferson or MARX, Midcan?
Do You think Roosevelt reflected more on Madison/Jefferson or MARX, Midcan?
marx was an economist. franklin and jefferson werent up on that. as great as those men were, we'dve been fucked with a bunch of 18th century merchantilists fumbling with the great depression. i'd say jmkeynes for fdr's inspiration, if thats not obvious as hell.
I thought this question was settled back in 1865.
They tried. The Unionists said 'No'. Thus war. They lost. Matter settled. State laws do not supersede Federal law. The Constitution is supreme law of the land.
Keep in mind they picked the fight; not the Federal government. The Fed exercised incredible forbearance at its own expense.
They formed their own government on U.S. soil; they seized U.S. assets and arms; they absolved themselves of all debts U.S.; they colluded with foreign powers; and still the Fed patiently waited for them to come back in.
They fired upon a U.S. garrison. Only then did the Unionists muster their Armies and come forth to preserve the government of their inheritance.
The overarching thought of the ardent politicians and military officers of the time was, 'What would the world think of us if we can't manage our own house? We would be forever diminished upon the world stage and be in a state of eternal conflict upon a vast border'. It must all be one or the other.
A little bit revisionist, don't you think??? Still, when lead and emotions start flying, we all lose. The atrocities on all sides compound the equation. Your Unions are no closer to Sainthood than what they oppose. The end does not justify the means.
I think you guys have a pretty firm grip on revisionism, given the record, it is all you do. But please tell us which piece is revisionist in your mind so I can (try to) set you straight.
"In March 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated President and initiated a series of aggressive measures, collectively known as the New Deal, in an attempt to revive the economy from the Depression. New Deal legislation brought unprecedented Federal Government involvement to the economy.
The Great Depression also resulted in the unprecedented involvement of the Federal Government in labor-management relations. The passage of the National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act) of 1935 guaranteed the rights of workers to join labor unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. The impact of unionization on the wages and benefits of blue-collar workers in important manufacturing industries also spilled over into non-union workplaces and industries. Union membership rates, which had been about 1 in 8 workers in the early 1930s, doubled to more than 1 in 4 workers in 1940"
Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression
A conservative on labor then.
http://www.conservativeissues.org/economic-issues-work-conditions-in-the-1930s.html
Labor Unions — Infoplease.com
"I am not for a return to that definition of liberty under which for so many years a free people were being gradually regimented into the service of the privileged few." FDR 1934
A little bit revisionist, don't you think??? Still, when lead and emotions start flying, we all lose. The atrocities on all sides compound the equation. Your Unions are no closer to Sainthood than what they oppose. The end does not justify the means.
I think you guys have a pretty firm grip on revisionism, given the record, it is all you do. But please tell us which piece is revisionist in your mind so I can (try to) set you straight.
"In March 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated President and initiated a series of aggressive measures, collectively known as the New Deal, in an attempt to revive the economy from the Depression. New Deal legislation brought unprecedented Federal Government involvement to the economy.
The Great Depression also resulted in the unprecedented involvement of the Federal Government in labor-management relations. The passage of the National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act) of 1935 guaranteed the rights of workers to join labor unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. The impact of unionization on the wages and benefits of blue-collar workers in important manufacturing industries also spilled over into non-union workplaces and industries. Union membership rates, which had been about 1 in 8 workers in the early 1930s, doubled to more than 1 in 4 workers in 1940"
Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression
A conservative on labor then.
http://www.conservativeissues.org/economic-issues-work-conditions-in-the-1930’s.html
Labor Unions — Infoplease.com
"I am not for a return to that definition of liberty under which for so many years a free people were being gradually regimented into the service of the privileged few." FDR 1934
Do You think Roosevelt reflected more on Madison/Jefferson or MARX, Midcan?
Our concerns are real and valid my friend, Our methods are incompatible, thats all. Progressivism has done much to remove the obstacle of Individual Will. My system celebrates Individual Awareness, Yours, sacrifices it at the Totalitarian, Utopian Alter of Self Denial and Enslavement of Conscience. I'll tell You this, Your True Self does matter to Me, I Value It. When It's realized, It's going to carry Much Weight.
Here we go again, the same old recycled rhetoric from the delegation of Lib alarmists. We all know that Posse Comitatus restricts US Armed Forces from domestic enforcement activities unless under direct mandate from both the executive and legislative branches of our gov't.
Here we go again, the same old recycled rhetoric from the delegation of Lib alarmists. We all know that Posse Comitatus restricts US Armed Forces from domestic enforcement activities unless under direct mandate from both the executive and legislative branches of our gov't.
And if the gov't felt threatened what do you think both would do, You know at this point in time no one has much faith in any of the gov't.
LOL!!! Sometimes You kinda come off like Hal from 2001 Space Odyssey.
Do You think Roosevelt reflected more on Madison/Jefferson or MARX, Midcan?
Our concerns are real and valid my friend, Our methods are incompatible, thats all. Progressivism has done much to remove the obstacle of Individual Will. My system celebrates Individual Awareness, Yours, sacrifices it at the Totalitarian, Utopian Alter of Self Denial and Enslavement of Conscience. I'll tell You this, Your True Self does matter to Me, I Value It. When It's realized, It's going to carry Much Weight.
This whole thread is a joke designed to bait....
People forget that US troops aren't Spetnatz or some motley crew of Legionnairres. US troops are a volunteer force that is a microcosm of society.
Paranoid alarmists..the lot.
I live in the Antipodes, Australia, the only question for Americans I have is will you still front up and protect us? There was a time I would have never asked.
We will front up to help, as we did in Iraq and Afghanistan, but in the end, it is up to you and your willpower.
We need you USA, you must lead, and you need to know the entire democratic world needs you to lead.
I think you guys have a pretty firm grip on revisionism, given the record, it is all you do. But please tell us which piece is revisionist in your mind so I can (try to) set you straight.
"In March 1933, Franklin D. Roosevelt was inaugurated President and initiated a series of aggressive measures, collectively known as the New Deal, in an attempt to revive the economy from the Depression. New Deal legislation brought unprecedented Federal Government involvement to the economy.
The Great Depression also resulted in the unprecedented involvement of the Federal Government in labor-management relations. The passage of the National Labor Relations Act (Wagner Act) of 1935 guaranteed the rights of workers to join labor unions and to bargain collectively with their employers. The impact of unionization on the wages and benefits of blue-collar workers in important manufacturing industries also spilled over into non-union workplaces and industries. Union membership rates, which had been about 1 in 8 workers in the early 1930s, doubled to more than 1 in 4 workers in 1940"
Compensation from before World War I through the Great Depression
A conservative on labor then.
http://www.conservativeissues.org/economic-issues-work-conditions-in-the-1930s.html
Labor Unions — Infoplease.com
"I am not for a return to that definition of liberty under which for so many years a free people were being gradually regimented into the service of the privileged few." FDR 1934
Do You think Roosevelt reflected more on Madison/Jefferson or MARX, Midcan?
Our concerns are real and valid my friend, Our methods are incompatible, thats all. Progressivism has done much to remove the obstacle of Individual Will. My system celebrates Individual Awareness, Yours, sacrifices it at the Totalitarian, Utopian Alter of Self Denial and Enslavement of Conscience. I'll tell You this, Your True Self does matter to Me, I Value It. When It's realized, It's going to carry Much Weight.
I'll bet anyone a dollar that Roosevelt reflected more on Roosevelt than any of those other guys. You don't get elected to the presidency 4 times without having your own opinions and the stones to put them out there.
He must have done something right... the people of his time kept him on the job a while.
Here we go again, the same old recycled rhetoric from the delegation of Lib alarmists. We all know that Posse Comitatus restricts US Armed Forces from domestic enforcement activities unless under direct mandate from both the executive and legislative branches of our gov't.
This whole thread is a joke designed to bait....
People forget that US troops aren't Spetnatz or some motley crew of Legionnairres. US troops are a volunteer force that is a microcosm of society.
Paranoid alarmists..the lot.
really?
so how'd that work out during Katrina?
~S~
This whole thread is a joke designed to bait....
People forget that US troops aren't Spetnatz or some motley crew of Legionnairres. US troops are a volunteer force that is a microcosm of society.
Paranoid alarmists..the lot.
