A Light Unto The Nations

Protesters very often protest, take to the streets precisely BECAUSE of introspection, that's the point you and the good Rabbi are missing.

Zionism was highjacked, it mutated and became political and nationalist during the 1920s and 1930s. It bears little resemblance to the aspirations of early Zionists who never envisaged a Jew centric nationalism.

It became increasingly associated with terrorism and even sank so low as to persecute anti-Zionist Jews, so one can only imagine how it was predisposed towards Arabs.

It sought to eventually occupy all of Palestine, just go and look as the speeches of Ben-Gurion and others.

He parrots the tired old "human shields" claims about Palestinians, something I investigated in detail over twenty years ago, it is propaganda. Might I learn something from him? well its possible, it's possible I'd learn something from Donald Trump or Adolf Hitler but that doesn't mean I pay much attention to their ramblings.

That's interesting you associate Rabbi Manis Friedman with Zionism,
claiming contradiction between politics and religion,
yet avoid the fact this is the mainstream.

If you choose to ignore the opinion of the majority of Jews,
that's maybe convenient, but Rabbi Mannis Friedman
is Youtube's most famous Rabbi for a reason.

Wouldn't be an exaggeration to assume
his teaching no less resonates with Muslims.

 
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That's interesting you associate Rabbi Manis Friedman with Zionism,
claiming contradiction between politics and religion,
yet avoid the fact this is the mainstream.

If you choose to ignore the opinion of the majority of Jews,
that's maybe convenient, but Rabbi Mannis Friedman
is Youtube's most famous Rabbi for a reason.

Wouldn't be an exaggeration to assume
his teaching no less resonates with Muslims.


I have no intention of spending time listening to his opinions. By all means summarize his position, if he disagrees on specific point with me, say so and I might explore that here, so in fact tell me, what does he say exactly that conflicts with anything I've said?

Let's talk about those.
 
Middle East Eye – Israeli soldiers suspected of raping [male] Palestinian prisoner arrested, sparking far-right riot

This is the true nature of the Israeli state, lawless, horribly racist and a simmering violence. Raping a male prisoner is the lowest of the lowest acts that any person in a position of responsibility, can stoop to.

Nine Israeli soldiers in the notorious Sde Teiman detention centre were arrested on Monday on suspicion of raping a Palestinian detainee, sparking a riot where far-right activists and MPs stormed the facility.

Israeli military police raided Sde Teiman but were met with resistance by soldiers, who reportedly barricaded themselved into the facility and used pepper spray to defend themselves before eventually being taken into custody.

The soldiers were suspected of abusing a Palestinian detainee, who according to Arab48 is suffering from “a serious wound in his rectum area”.

The prisoner had been transferred from Sde Teiman in the Negev desert to a hospital in Beersheba, which is also in southern Israel. Haaretz said the prisoner is unable to walk.

The Israeli army said an investigation is underway.

The arrests were met with outrage by right-wing Israelis, with protests in solidarity called across Israel.

Dozens of people, reportedly including members of parliament and Heritage Minister Amichai Eliyahu, gathered outside Sde Teiman and stormed the detention facility.

How any sane person can associate the state of Israel with the idea of a "light unto the nations" escapes me, no rationality, just cult like devotion to bizarre ideas.
 
I have no intention of spending time listening to his opinions. By all means summarize his position, if he disagrees on specific point with me, say so and I might explore that here, so in fact tell me, what does he say exactly that conflicts with anything I've said?

Let's talk about those.

Yes, the intellectual laziness is noted, but this is not about what you say,
or Rabbi Friedman's opinions, rather what Torah teaches - universal morality.

If you have to ask how the video contradicts your position, would require to challenge your ability to compute facts, into coherent sentences that make sense. Then you can ask for some doctor to decipher whether what you say has any value to humanity, or a mental condition, dangerous to society, as demonstrated by the 'Hamas Drag Show'.

Meanwhile only proving you had no idea what you were commenting about.

 
Middle East Eye – Israeli soldiers suspected of raping [male] Palestinian prisoner arrested, sparking far-right riot

This is the true nature of the Israeli state, lawless, horribly racist and a simmering violence. Raping a male prisoner is the lowest of the lowest acts that any person in a position of responsibility, can stoop to.



How any sane person can associate the state of Israel with the idea of a "light unto the nations" escapes me, no rationality, just cult like devotion to bizarre ideas.

What part of arrest escapes you, in that fake moral outrage about "lawlessness" of a state?
No wonder Hamas propaganda appeals an attention span, shorter than the sentences its'
supporters can compute.

Now it's amusing you bring up raping prisoners,
because that's what Hamas prisoners do in their cells.
So rather an example of too much legal protection compromising morality.

Now the real question - would for example, hanging Sinwar, suffice justice?
And how would a Hamas rapist be treated in a life seeking society?

 
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Turns out, it is literally true!


1.The instruction manual or Western Civilization is the Bible. And it was used, specifically by America’s Founders, as the basis for our Constitution. Due to the influence of Karl Marx’s religion, you probably didn’t find that fact in government school.

2. The Bible offers the tiny nation of Israel as the model for many of our beliefs, and that is the meaning of the title above.

“Light to the nations (Hebrew: אור לגויים‎, romanized: Or la'Goyim; also "light of the nations", "light of all nations", "light for all nations") is a term originated from the prophet Isaiah which is understood by some to express the universal designation of the Israelites as mentors for spiritual and moral guidance for the entire world.” Wikipedia.




3. It is not just or Western folks. I found the universality represented in this article:

"How the Talmud Became a Best-Seller in South Korea

About an hour’s drive north of Seoul, in the Gwangju Mountains, nearly fifty South Korean children pore over a book. The text is an unlikely choice: the Talmud, the fifteen-hundred-year-old book of Jewish laws. The students are not Jewish, nor are their teachers, and they have no interest in converting. Most have never met a Jew before. But, according to the founder of their school, the students enrolled with the goal of receiving a “Jewish education” in addition to a Korean one.

...their teacher, Park Hyunjun, was explaining that Jews pray wearing two small black boxes, known as tefillin, to help them remember God’s word. He used the Hebrew words shel rosh (“on the head”) and shel yad (“on the arm”) to describe where the boxes are worn. Inside these boxes, he said, was parchment that contained verses from one of the holiest Jewish prayers, the Shema, which Jews recite daily. As the room filled with murmurings of the Shema in Korean, the dean of the school leaned over to me and said that the students recited the prayer daily, too, “with the goal of memorizing it.”
The reverend’s thesis is that the Jews have thrived for so many years because of certain educational and cultural practices, and that such benefits can be unlocked for Christians if those practices are taught to their children.

Outside, over bulgogi, Park Hyunjun laid out the goals behind his curriculum. “I would like to make our students to be people of God and to have charity just like Jewish people,”.....
How the Talmud Became a Best-Seller in South Korea




3. And now, from the South Pacific: “Despite what anti-Zionist ideologues might assume, the Jews of Israel are an inspiration for many Māori
Though I am Māori, I have for many years worked in and around Jewish issues—the memory of the Holocaust, advocacy for Zionism, and fighting antisemitism. But it is only in more recent years that I have become increasingly aware of the parallels that exist between my own claim to indigeneity and that of Jews to the land of Israel.” A Light for the Indigenous Nations


The author cites similarities between his Maori people, and the Jewish people, in claiming indigeneity in each of their lands.

The Maori as a sort of ‘Zionists.’

South Korea is Presbyterian.
 
What part of arrest escapes you, in that fake moral outrage about "lawlessness" of a state?
No wonder Hamas propaganda appeals to people with an attention span shorter than sentences they can write.

Now it's amusing you bring up raping prisoners,
because that's what Hamas prisoners do in their cells.
So rather an example of too much legal protection compromising morality.

Now the real question - would for example, hanging Sinwar, suffice justice?
And how would a Hamas rapist be treated in a life seeking society?


Israel created Hamas in 1987 just like the US created Al Qaeda.
 
Israel created Hamas in 1987 just like the US created Al Qaeda.

This lie you parrot, actually highlights the machinations of the so-called "Islamic charity".
Before people of your kind hijacked the organization, Israel recognized an Islamic
medical charity, to assist in building kindergartens and a university in Gaza.

Do you really think that lie help their cause?

No wonder Hamas supporters burn the US flag,
the conflict is much broader than a territorial dispute.
In fact it was never a territorial dispute, but conflicting values,
polarities competing for power, with Israel in the middle, to choose the direction.
 
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Narkis - Im Savi (With My Grandfather)

As Avraham our father
Who counted stars at night,
Who called to his Creator from the furnace
Who bound his son - was my grandfather

The same complete faith
Inside the flame,
And the same dewy glance
And waves soft beard

Outside fell the snow
Outside they roared:
"There's no judgement and there's no judge"
And in his cracked room, the shattered
Angels sing about Jerusalem above

 
Cultural Phenomena Least Talked About - Arab World's Noahide Revolution



Judaism is Not a Religion

We had the incredible honor of hosting one of the most watched and inspiring voices of the Jewish world on our show, Rabbi Manis Friedman. ~Here, Rabbi Friedman dove deeper into the misconception that Judaism is a religion, in fact the word "religion" doesn't even exist in the Torah.

 
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A Bridge between Faiths 2

An Open Letter to Islam

[Part 2]


In the first part of this letter (You can find it at this link), I showed how Islam could potentially be reconciled with Judaism and how the two religions could cooperate effectively. This is contingent on Islam acknowledging Judaism as a religion that possesses a universal message and includes unique commandments given by God only to the Jews. Of course, additional issues must be addressed to create a peace bridge between Abraham's sons. The first is Muhammad's status as the prophet of Islam.

The Status of the Prophet Muhammad from the Standpoint of Judaism

In Judaism, Muhammad’s status as a prophet is discussed primarily regarding Islam's claim that he invalidated the Mosaic Torah and less regarding his personality and actions.
In Judaism, one must meet specific requirements to be accepted as a prophet. Most relevant to our discussion is someone who claims divine prophecy cannot speak in the name of pagan deities. He can call for a temporary suspension of a commandment but not a permanent suspension. Therefore, he cannot call for a rejection of the Mosaic Torah.
Because the mainstream opinion in Islam is that Muhammad called upon the Jews to abandon Judaism, he was not accepted by the Jews. Maimonides writes as follows:
“We will not accept the prophecy of Omar and Zayid. But not because they are not Jews, as many people think… We believe or reject a prophet based on the content of his prophecy and not based on his origin” (Epistle to Yemen).



The question of whether Muhammad intended to invalidate the Torah for the Jews or if he only intended to introduce a new religion for the Arabs and other peoples must be dealt with by the Islamic authorities.

On this issue, we can distinguish Muhammad’s teachings from those of the Meccan and Medinan periods. The former teachings say nothing of invalidating the Torah. On the contrary, they reflect a positive attitude toward the Jews and hint at the divinity of the Torah. The teachings of the Medinan period, during which the conflict with the Jews increased, reflect a different attitude in which the claim that the Jews corrupted the holy scripture appears.
Would Islamic scholars be open to seeing the primary message of the Quran as that of the Meccan period? This open question can potentially create inroads into understanding in the future.

Perhaps it is also possible to interpret the Quran in a way that does not necessarily see Muhammad’s intention as the nullification of the Torah. Could it be that Muhammad intended that the Jews maintain their religion while Islam spreads the message of the Torah and gives ethical guidance to the rest of humanity? This interpretation is, of course, not currently the official one of Islam today, but it is certainly a possible reading of the Quran as expressed in numerous verses, for example:

Sura 2,39: “Children of Israel, remember the favor I have bestowed upon you. Keep your covenant, and I will be true to mine.”
Sura 2,43: “Children of Israel, remember the favor I have bestowed upon you, and that I exalted you above the nations!”
Sura 3,50: “I come to confirm the Torah already revealed…”
Sura 5,44: “We have revealed the Torah, in which there is guidance and light. By it the prophets who surrendered themselves judged the Jews, and so did the rabbis and the divines, according to God’s Book which had been committed to their keeping and to which they themselves were witnesses.”
Sura 35,43: “You will find no change in the ways of God…”
Sura 10,94: “If you doubt what we have revealed to you, ask those who have read the Scriptures before you. The truth has come to you from your Lord: therefore do not doubt it.”

We must note that the 12th-century Yemenite Jewish sage Rabbi Natan'el al-Fayyumi proposed this type of reading of the Quranic verses in his book, Garden of the Intellects (Bustan al-Uqul ).
Therefore, it would be an acceptable position according to Judaism to accept a believer who assumes that Muhammad was a prophet who was sent to the Arabs and all other peoples but not coming to invalidate the Torah.

Although there would have to be positive evidence of Muhammad's prophecy for him to be accepted as a prophet by the Jews, Judaism approves that non-Jews believe in and take Muhammad as their prophet. We should also point out that Judaism and Islam include many of the very same commandments, such as refraining from eating pork, additional dietary requirements, modest dress, and more.

The Future of the Relationship between the State of Israel and the Muslim World
One of the fundamental obstacles to constructive dialogue between Judaism and Islam is the Muslim claim that Judaism is a religion but not a nation. For this reason, it is common practice amongst Muslims to show respect for religious Jews but not toward non-observant Jews. However, from the perspective of Judaism, the Jewish nation is first and foremost – a nation. The Jewish nation received the Torah, and even before receiving the Torah, it is the Jewish nation with whom God made a covenant to inherit the land of Israel. Therefore, all of Jacob's descendants are part of the Jewish nation, whether they believe in the Torah or not, and thus, they are included among the inheritors of the land of Israel.

During the Jewish exile, once the land of Israel had been conquered and the Jewish people lost their sovereignty and control of the land, the nation of Israel was, for all practical purposes, reduced to existence as a religious group, as followers of the Jewish religion. The national element became peripheral and weakened, but nevertheless, the nation of Israel never ceased to exist.

By the time Islam came into existence in the 7th century CE, the Jews had been without an independent polity for a few centuries and lived as refugees amongst other nations. In this context, Islam distinguished the respected “Banu Isra’eel” of antiquity and the disparaged “Al-Yahud,” with regard to the Jews of its time.

Perhaps surprisingly, this distinction carries with it the potential for reconciliation with Judaism today if it could be understood that the modern State of Israel represents the historic return of the Banu Israel. The Jewish State should be recognized as the manifestation of the divine promise to return the nation of Israel to its land, as mentioned multiple times in Islamic sources: Sura 5,20: “Bear in mind the words of Moses to his people. He said: ‘Remember, my people, the favor which God has bestowed upon you. He has raised up prophets among you, made you kings, and given you that which He has given to no other nation. Enter, my people, the holy land which God has assigned for you. Do not turn back, or you shall be ruined.’”

Therefore, the State of Israel should not be regarded as a foreign entity imposing itself on the Muslim world (Dar al-Islam). Still, on the contrary, it should be seen as the realization of divine justice as found in the Quran and the Torah: the return of the land to its rightful owners. It should be recognized that when Israel was founded in 1948, political rule was not taken from the Arabs but rather from the British, who conquered it from the Ottomans.

We must note that in 1918, a meeting was had between the Emir Faisal, the son of Hussein, king of the Hijaz, and Chaim Weizman, the representative of the Zionist Organization, which led to the 1919 London Agreement regarding cooperation between the Arab national movement and the Zionist movement.

The foundation of fraternity between the Sons of Abraham can be the basis for a new and prosperous period of peace and progress, bringing the world toward a greater state of perfection.

The Practical Bridge of Faith: The Relevance of the Noahide Laws for Muslims

In principle, Islam accepts the same commandments that Judaism calls the “Seven Noahide Laws” as obligatory. From Judaism’s point of view, if a non-Jew observes these seven commandments, acknowledging that they were given by the One God to all mankind, he fulfills his obligation. These commandments, which serve as a point of meeting between Judaism and Islam, are the prohibition of idolatry, the prohibition of cursing God, the prohibition of murder, the prohibition of sexual deviancy, the prohibition of theft, the prohibition of eating meat torn from a living animal, and the positive obligation to establish courts of justice and a penal system.

The fact that Islam accepts these commandments and that from a Jewish perspective, whoever observes them is in good standing has important implications in practical halacha for building a bridge between the believers in the One God.

The usual way to be recognized as a “Noahide” or a “Ger Toshav,” according to Jewish law, is to make a public declaration before a tribunal of three ordained Rabbis that one accepts upon himself the commandments which all of Noah’s descendants have been given. Some of the Jewish authorities believe that if an entire nation accepts these commandments, such as the Muslim umma, a declaration by each individual is not necessary. Therefore, for adherents to most other religions, it is essential to neglect or renounce their faith to be accepted as a Noahide or a righteous gentile; it is possible that Muslims could be accepted as such by Judaism without taking specific action. The only issue that needs addressing is the source of the obligation to observe these commandments. For Judaism, to be considered a “righteous gentile” and to have a portion of the world to come alongside the sons of Israel, one must accept the commandments and observe them because they were commanded through the Mosaic Torah specifically. One who fulfills them because they are logical or out of a general obligation to morality or any other source is seen positively and acknowledged as part of “the wise among the gentiles,” but has not attained the spiritual level of a “righteous among the gentiles.”

So, the full status of Noahide is only conferred upon someone who has accepted the seven laws explicitly through a commitment to the Mosaic Torah. However, there is a middle ground in which someone makes a personal declaration to themselves without making it public. There is great significance for such an individual declaration, and one who accepts this path can be considered a Noahide even without creating a public rift between himself and the society to which he belongs.
This distinction can be unique in building a bridge between our faiths. All Muslims can live in peace, even in the land that has been given to the Jews. But to attain the status to which God has attributed a unique holiness, a Muslim must acknowledge that God’s will is that the land of Israel is under Jewish sovereignty and that the prophecy given to Muhammad does not invalidate the Torah. Someone who adopts such a position, which recognizes God’s justice to Jews as well, is undoubtedly of a unique spiritual level, and Judaism is obliged to acknowledge him as such.

Removing the Obstacles between Islam and Judaism

For Judaism to accept Islam as a legitimate religion for all peoples and even grant its blessing, three things must be agreed upon:
  • The recognition of Islam as a religion parallel to Judaism and not as a replacement and that the prophecy of Muhammad has not come to invalidate the Mosaic Torah.
  • Recognizing that the Torah is God’s word carries a message to all humanity. This requires abandoning the claim of corruption (Tahrif) so that Judaism will be acknowledged as the religion from which Islam developed.
  • The recognition of the divine promise that the Jewish people will return to their historic homeland and rule in it, as it says explicitly in the Quran.
As outlined, there are pathways within the Islamic tradition that can help bring such agreement.
It is clear that none of the above issues are trivial matters and are not likely to be immediately or entirely embraced by Muslims. However, it is certainly possible to start a process once the issues are clarified. A hint of such a process can be found in God’s words to Hagar, the mother of Ishmael, who is seen as the progenitor of the Arab people: “Return to your mistress” (Genesis, 17,9). Hagar had attempted to claim supremacy over Sarah, the matriarch of Israel, a claim which later led to a denial that Islam was, to a large degree, inspired by Judaism. God speaks to Hagar through an angel who informs her that she will have a son, Ishmael and blesses her with success but conditions this on her accepting Sarah as her mistress. In other words, this is a demand for Islam to recognize its origins as a religion that grew out of Judaism.

The Figure of Ishmael in the Torah

Ishmael, the patriarch of the Arabs, is discussed in four episodes in the Torah: 1 – the revelation of his birth, 2 – his being cast out from Abraham’s estate, 3 – during Abraham’s funeral, and 4 – during his daughter’s wedding.
  1. An angel reveals Ishmael’s birth while his mother, Hagar, is fleeing from her mistress, Sarah. The angel promises her success unless she returns to Sarah. If we read this in historical terms, the success of Ishmael’s progeny is conditioned on recognizing the Hebraic origin of their religion and understanding that it is not meant to replace the Torah of Abraham, Sarah, and the Jews.
  2. The casting out of Ishmael from Abraham’s estate comes on the backdrop of Ishmael’s ridiculing laughter during the feast in honor of Isaac. There are varying opinions amongst the Jewish sages on the essence of this ridicule. Some saw it as proof of Ishmael’s grave sins, which made him unsuited for Abraham’s house. Others saw in Ishmael’s ridicule an attempt to negate Isaac’s rights as the inheritor of Abraham. According to this opinion, we should distinguish between the period of Ishmael’s descendants outside of the Abrahamic tradition – represented by the pre-Islamic ‘Age of Ignorance’ (Jahiliyyah), and the period during which Ishmael’s descendants have returned to the values of the Abraham tradition – the belief in God’s oneness – although have not accepted the legitimacy of Isaac.
  3. Ishmael’s participation in the burial of Abraham represents a significant turning point. It says: “And they buried him, his sons Isaac and Ishmael.” By putting Isaac first, Ishmael recognizes Isaac’s honor and precedence, which the Rabbis call an act of repentance. Ishmael’s repentance must include his recognition of the Israelites as the actual owners of their land.
  4. Ishmael’s daughter marries Esau, Jacob’s hostile brother. This is a hint that later in history, the descendants of Esau may try to incite the descendants of Ishmael against Israel. This is a warning against illegitimate attempts to cancel God’s choosing of the Jews.

The Oral Torah – Judaism’s Potential Contribution to Islam

The attempt to build a theological bridge between two faiths may be audacious, especially since this initiative comes from only one religion. However, pathways exist through which the two positions can be brought closer. The realities of living in proximity often invite practical and even ideological solutions.



One of the crises Islam has faced in recent generations is the difficulty of adapting to modernity while remaining loyal to its faith. In Judaism, there are already mechanisms in place to apply the word of God to the needs of the times without diverging from an orthodox position. This is the mechanism of the Oral Torah, which has the power to re-interpret the holy writings according to the judgment of the sages of each generation. And indeed, Jewish scholars are constantly renewing Jewish law to deal with the challenges of the times without abandoning loyalty to their sources. Perhaps Islamic scholars will find inspiration from this pathway in their attempts to forge a path for the Muslim world into modernity and its necessities while remaining true to their roots.

Another difficulty in the face of the development of Islam is the principle that all the actions of Muhammad are to be emulated, even those which contradict moral consciousness. According to this principle, morality is subordinate to religious belief. On the other hand, Judaism holds that morality takes absolute precedence, as embodied by the rabbinic phrase, “proper moral behavior precedes the Torah.” (derech eretz kadma latorah). In Judaism, there is a principle that morality is not defined by the behavior of the nation's leaders, whoever they may be. Often, we find the Jewish sages criticizing even the kings and prophets. Adopting such a position would allow Islam to free itself of the religious obligation to accept every one of Muhammad’s actions as being worthy of emulation.

Even though this letter includes a call to reconsider some aspects of Islamic theology, it is not meant to delegitimize the religious mindset unique to Islam, which is worthy of respect as one of the pathways for humanity to accept upon itself the yoke of the kingdom of heaven.
To summarize, we have presented Judaism's position concerning Islam. After clarifying the fundamentals, especially in the time of the Jewish people's national revival, it's possible that we may yet merit to see positive developments in the Muslim world.

Sincerely,
Rabbi Oury Cherki
Chairman of Brit Olam Institutions


'What's the goal? It's our essential duty!'
Rabbi Cherki on meeting with the Syrian opposition and Iranian Muslim scholars


 
Israeli Cultural Revolution - Passion For The Temple | The Imaginative Force | Prophetic Cinema

"Those of vast grasping, their force of imagination is great and very exalted." - Rabbi Kook




At least among us Jews, those who have a grasp of knowledge,
are those of great imagination. And then there's great daring,
in their descriptions, their thoughts.

We can see this among the prophets.
We can also see this among Kabbalists.
The terminology is full of imaginative power.

Which causes superficial people to think all these folks are confused and need psychiatric hospitalization. But they don't need any, they are entirely normal people. With that, they have great imaginative power, breaking many borders.




In the scientific field, until Psychoanalysis none of this was known. The Freudian psychoanalysis revealed great depths within the human subconscious, symbolic thinking. Also later, Jung has many observations of this kind - the collective unconscious...the ocean of souls.

So, "those of vast grasping, their force of imagination is great and very exalted, and it's connected with visions that are more general in reality. And according to their courage, and purity of their spirit, the imaginative power enacts itself through them. To draw exalted imaginations, that the light of the
high truth reveals by them. In such revelations that no logical mind can reach".





What does Rabbi Kook want from us? That we are not to be scared of meeting people
of such imaginative force, that we don't think it's a shortcoming, moreover - it is an advantage.

Possibly Rabbi Kook wants something else, besides not being scared to meet such people, rather Rabbi Kook tells You: "Maybe You, the reader, You are one of these great people, that You don't get scared seeing You have imaginative power that is great - use it for these sacred purposes.".


Rabbi Kook’s Teachings on War #1: It is Moral to Fight Evil
From 'The Lights of War'


 
Rabbi Kook’s Teachings on War #1: It is Moral to Fight Evil
From 'The Lights of War'



Laughable, if it's moral to fight war why did six million Jews passively obey the Germans and walk to their deaths? why not put up a fight? clearly most Jews at the time did not agree with the Kook.
 
Laughable, if it's moral to fight war why did six million Jews passively obey the Germans and walk to their deaths? why not put up a fight? clearly most Jews at the time did not agree with the Kook.

What's the contradiction?

In that fervor to showoff
disdain for Jews in general,
you lose the entire argument.
Because it points to Zionism as
being the rather normal alternative,
for many minorities facing Arab imperialism.

 
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Where's the contradiction?

In that fervor to showoff
disdain for Jews in general,
you lose the entire argument.
Because it points to Zionism as
being the rather normal alternative,
for minorities under Arab imperialism.



That's very imaginative. Carve out a piece of land in a place where the population is over 80% gentile. Evict them, harass them and kill them, then setup a government that represents Jews, migrate huge numbers of foreign purported "Jews" from Europe and elsewhere, begin creating squats - sorry settlements - using marauding gangs of squatters - sorry settlers - to destroy gentile farms and villages.

Once that's underway, describe the resistance to this colonialism as "Arab Imperialism", typical Zionist lies as they rely on the old victimhood card.

Zionism is the source of nothing but trouble, violence, death and pain, it has brought absolutely nothing of good into the world, it is an embarrassment to genuine Jewish people that not only misrepresents true Jews but also generates antisemitism as a by product.

Israel today CAUSES antisemitism, it generates misery and death and pain in the name of the Jew, actually claiming this is what Jews do, what they are all about, so don't be the slightest bit surprised at increasing antisemitism, it will likely disappear from the world as soon as Zionist Israel does, if you want to reduce antisemitism then eliminate the biggest cause of it - Zionism.
 
That's very imaginative. Carve out a piece of land in a place where the population is over 80% gentile. Evict them, harass them and kill them, then setup a government that represents Jews, migrate huge numbers of foreign purported "Jews" from Europe and elsewhere, begin creating squats - sorry settlements - using marauding gangs of squatters - sorry settlers - to destroy gentile farms and villages.

Once that's underway, describe the resistance to this colonialism as "Arab Imperialism", typical Zionist lies as they rely on the old victimhood card.

Zionism is the source of nothing but trouble, violence, death and pain, it has brought absolutely nothing of good into the world, it is an embarrassment to genuine Jewish people that not only misrepresents true Jews but also generates antisemitism as a by product.

Israel today CAUSES antisemitism, it generates misery and death and pain in the name of the Jew, actually claiming this is what Jews do, what they are all about, so don't be the slightest bit surprised at increasing antisemitism, it will likely disappear from the world as soon as Zionist Israel does, if you want to reduce antisemitism then eliminate the biggest cause of it - Zionism.

That's just good amount of will and common sense in practice.

Don't you constantly call for decolonization,
so what's moral about forcing minorities
to submit to Arab imperialism?

 
Ok, morality in itself is universal, so no need for your initial question.
To discuss the morality of war, let's take a practical example:

during the 2nd Lebanon war, there were militants using
a family house as military installation for an attack.

Knowing that they're watched, they've placed
infants at the windows, assuming we would
value their lives over our children.

Who bears the moral
responsibility for
their death?
Well ideally it should be universal, that what we call laws. But people pick and choose which laws they'll follow,

The person who kills the children.
Really, so it would be moral for you, or anyone,
to compromise the safety of their children,
leaving a certain threat only to prevent
casualties among the enemy?

The anti-Zionist absurdity.

 
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Really, so it would be moral for you, or anyone,
to compromise the safety of their children,
leaving a certain threat only to prevent
casualties among the enemy?
I said he who chooses to kill is responsible for killing, does that somehow confuse you? is even that statement controversial to a Zionist? I suppose it is, Zionists always blame everyone else for what happens, the concept of "I did something wrong" is anathema to Zionism. I don't think "apologize" exists in the Zionist's vocabulary.
Anti-Zionism is absurdity...
Zionism is amoral, anti-Zionism is the correct intellectual default position of the moral man. There must never be respect shown for the question "why are you opposed Zionism" any more than there should respect for the question "why are you opposed to Nazism".

Why do you keep showing pictures/videos of that old Santa Claus look alike?

He's an idiot, he has no idea what "disproportionate" means when God supernaturally recorded that.
 
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