A liberals view of "Conservatism".

[The T]

Modern day conservatism is the political codification of selfishness.

and yet one of the Koch Brothers,two guys you like to bad mouth,gives a hell of a lot of money to Charities and Scientific research......your just as bad as Dean is Chris when it comes to putting your i hate Republican shit out there.....you two guys do nothing but exaggerate and Spin...now you know why you are considered his Left Testicle....

 

[Harry Dresden]

You may want to read this essay, What Is Conservatism and What Is Wrong with It? which I have used to open up a discussion on another thread about what conservatism does to people.

Here's a clip:

The opposite of conservatism is democracy, and contempt for democracy is a constant thread in the history of conservative argument. Instead, conservatism has argued that society ought to be organized in a hierarchy of orders and classes and controlled by its uppermost hierarchical stratum, the aristocracy. Many of these arguments against egalitarianism are ancient, and most of them are routinely heard on the radio. One tends to hear the arguments in bits and pieces, for example the emphatic if vague claim that people are different. Of course, most of these arguments, if considered rationally, actually argue for meritocracy rather than for aristocracy. Meritocracy is a democratic principle. George Bush, however, was apparently scarred for life by having been one of the last students admitted to Yale under its old aristocratic admissions system, and having to attend classes with students admitted under the meritocratic system who considered themselves to be smarter than him. Although he has lately claimed to oppose the system of legacy admissions from which he benefitted, that is a tactic, part of a package deal to eliminate affirmative action, thereby allowing conservative social hierarchies to be reaffirmed in other ways.

yea well there was a thread about what Liberalism does to people too.....the extremes on both sides is what gives them both a bad name.....for quite a while this Country has had a blend of both of them.....a little here a little there.....a nice balance.....now you either get one or the other, and ...here we are...fucked....Dean is a prime example of way to much Left....USAR is an example of way to much Right.....i used to be a Democrat until Guys like Dean and Chris came along,i got the **** out of there.....so i tried the Republicans ....was ok,and then here comes assholes like USAR and the super Religious......so i got the hell out of there.....now i am with the Freedonia Party.....Rufas T.Firefly.....if your for it....he is against it.....it cant get any better than that....

 

[Harry Dresden]

The ultra rich have bought and paid for Republican politicians. Those politicians are completely "owned". To think this enormous redistribution of wealth to the top 1% is because they "work harder" just shows more Republican ignorance and stupidity. A deadly combination. Add in greed and pure meanness and you have a party whose byline is "Let him die" that "applauds executions".

and the Ultra Rich have not bought and paid for Democratic Politicians?......geezus Dean,for a guy who claims he has an education.....you sure are ******* stupid....

 

[Harry Dresden]

Now you're just being ridiculous (actually STUPID). Let's take the items I referred to.....

Just because YOU oppose it why would you say a woman cannot get an abortion?

Just because YOU oppose abortion or doctors asking about guns in houses why would you want government to involve itself in conversations between doctors and their patients?

Just because YOU oppose euthanaisa why do you want the government to ban others from doing it?

Just because YOU oppose it why would do you want the government to stop others from participating in gay marriage?

Just because YOU oppose it why would you want government to make family decisions i.e. the Terri Schiavo case?

Just because YOU oppose it why would you want the government to write prostitution laws?

Just because YOU oppose it why would you want others from using medical marijuana?

You said....."We live in society whereby we the people decide rules that we must live by". Ok, fine.

What would you say if the majority of Americans DISAGREED with you on nearly every point listed above? (They do)

But either way you would still want a big, intrusive government involving itself in the private lives and decisions of others.

Abortion is murder...

Only a sociopath would disagree.

Judge much?

kinda like this poster named Dean.....

 

[Harry Dresden]

We're waiting Dean-O.. and I will hound you every chance I get that I see you posting here without providing your proof backing up your claim... matter of fact... I will paste it in my sig so you do not forget

you got a long line to get behing Dave.....there are 2-3 threads here started by Dean where when a few questions were asked......the next question was......where the hell is Dean?....

 

[Harry Dresden]

So it's your position that every conserveative thinks exactly alike on every issue, is it?

thats Dean and Chrissies position....

 

[Harry Dresden]

It is too easy to make fun of conservatives, they believe in all sorts of things they don't believe in, freedom is number one as the OP points out. But we must be sympathetic to conservatives as change scares the hell outta them. Pessimism rules their minds. Consider that if everyone were a conservative we'd still be living in caves howling at the moon, for any step forward would cause them intense anxiety. Please, help them see the good in life and make them understand that unless we wrestle with problems nothing good happens.

Best book to understand them: "With engaging wit and subtle irony, Albert Hirschman maps the diffuse and treacherous world of reactionary rhetoric in which conservative public figures, thinkers, and polemicists have been arguing against progressive agendas and reforms for the past two hundred years." The Rhetoric of Reaction - Albert O. Hirschman | Harvard University Press

its easy to make fun of you to......

"Midcan?.....aint that a Receptacle to put Dogshit in".....Fred Sanford......

 

[rdean]

The term " CONSERVATIVE " is too broad to generalize.

What self proclaiming conservatives believe depends on what KIND of conservative they are.

The same could be said about LIBERALS, too.

My impression is that this place doesn't have many conservative conservatives.

Mostly this place has conservative trolls, rather than honest conservatives

Their goofy POVs don't really describe most real conservative or GOP views.

It's funny when leftists make such grand pronouncements when they, like the idiot OP, couldn't pick conservatism out of a lineup.

So it's your position that every conserveative thinks exactly alike on every issue, is it?


I think you're wrong about that.

I think there are many many issues where conservatives do not agree.

There's the FAITH BASED fundamentalist conservatives who want to insinuate their religion into our laws.

There's the LIBERTARIAN ATHETIST conservatves who object strenusously with the FAITH BASED cons.

There's big international trade conservatives who love FREE TRADE.

There's American Firsters Cons who absolutely HATE Free TRADE.

There's CONS who want to legalize marijuna, and there's CONS who want to hang all dopers.

Shall I go on, Dave?

Or do you think I'm wrong about the differences I just noted within the conservative community?

I've never said "every" issue. But since the Republican Party is 90% white and filled with malice towards so many, I think it's safe to say "on most", not "every", but "most".

Feel better? I never said "every", I've always said most. And we all know that's the truth.

 

[rdean]

You don't seem to have learned anything.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 90% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy while Bush was president.

Money invested in education, healthcare, technology, and infrastructure is what drives an economy.

Tax cuts for oil companies and the wealthy is not what helps an economy.

Sums things up nicely.

the summation is really fuzzy deany most realize that you two hack will blame a republican no matter what. It is my opinion that you would take death whether than blame your blessed democratic party so your views are irrelevant to what conservatism is.

If you had a position other than what's posted, why not state what it is? Yes Virginia, it really is that simple.

 

[rdean]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to vote Democrat.

You don't seem to have learned anything.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 90% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy while Bush was president.

Money invested in education, healthcare, technology, and infrastructure is what drives an economy.

Tax cuts for oil companies and the wealthy is not what helps an economy.

So, GOP debt is bad.

Democrat debt is good.

You just keep bitterly clinging to your double standards.

Democrats call money spent on education, infrastructure, healthcare and technology an "investment".

Republicans call money not given to millionaires "wasted".

 

[daveman]

And we all know that's the truth.

Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn't so.

-- Ronald Reagan

 

[daveman]

You don't seem to have learned anything.

Reagan and the two Bushes created 90% of the National Debt by lowering taxes for the rich.

Wall Street ran a $516 trillion dollar derivatives Ponzi scheme that destroyed the world economy while Bush was president.

Money invested in education, healthcare, technology, and infrastructure is what drives an economy.

Tax cuts for oil companies and the wealthy is not what helps an economy.

So, GOP debt is bad.

Democrat debt is good.

You just keep bitterly clinging to your double standards.

Democrats call money spent on education, infrastructure, healthcare and technology an "investment".

Republicans call money not given to millionaires "wasted".

Democrats call money spent on teacher's unions "spending on education".

Democrats call money spent on sidewalks to nowhere "spending on infrastructure".

Democrats call money spent on advancing the socialist takeover of medicine "spending on healthcare".

Democrats call money spent on failed solar technology companies owned by campaign donors "spending on technology".

Democrats lie. A lot.

 

[NoNukes]

So, GOP debt is bad.

Democrat debt is good.

You just keep bitterly clinging to your double standards.

Democrats call money spent on education, infrastructure, healthcare and technology an "investment".

Republicans call money not given to millionaires "wasted".

Democrats call money spent on teacher's unions "spending on education".

Democrats call money spent on sidewalks to nowhere "spending on infrastructure".

Democrats call money spent on advancing the socialist takeover of medicine "spending on healthcare".

Democrats call money spent on failed solar technology companies owned by campaign donors "spending on technology".

Democrats lie. A lot.

And Republicans do not? Grow up and face reality.

 

[NoNukes]

I still say that. The vast majority of conservatives do.

So how are we trying to destroy that?

Oh, yeah -- we're not.

You are living in a little dream world. Few Conservatives would die for the liberals right to speak, and vice versa. That is no longer the attitude one gets from America, it is filled with hatred from both sides, there has not been this large a divide since the Civil War.

Your victimhood fantasies bear no resemblance to reality.

I used to post on LA-IMC a few years ago. I told one leftist that I didn't agree with what he said, but that I would give my life to defend his right to say it. I asked him if he would do the same for me.

His response?

"Hell, no! Why would I want to defend your rights, you ******* fascist?!"

And you judge all liberals on one person on the internet? This explains a lot about your ignorance of liberals.

 

[editec]

Ye shall know the tree by the fruit it bears.​

Instead of speaking about our IMPRESSIONS of what conservatives or liberal are?

Why not talk about what they really have done when they held power?

I remember when Liberals owned and controlled Washington. Their arrogance paved the way for the conservative decades we're in right now.

And while the people who benefit from that changing of the guard have changed somewhat, essantially we've got the same model government only with slightly different bells and whistles.

 

[Harry Dresden]

It's funny when leftists make such grand pronouncements when they, like the idiot OP, couldn't pick conservatism out of a lineup.

So it's your position that every conserveative thinks exactly alike on every issue, is it?


I think you're wrong about that.

I think there are many many issues where conservatives do not agree.

There's the FAITH BASED fundamentalist conservatives who want to insinuate their religion into our laws.

There's the LIBERTARIAN ATHETIST conservatves who object strenusously with the FAITH BASED cons.

There's big international trade conservatives who love FREE TRADE.

There's American Firsters Cons who absolutely HATE Free TRADE.

There's CONS who want to legalize marijuna, and there's CONS who want to hang all dopers.

Shall I go on, Dave?

Or do you think I'm wrong about the differences I just noted within the conservative community?

I've never said "every" issue. But since the Republican Party is 90% white and filled with malice towards so many, I think it's safe to say "on most", not "every", but "most".

Feel better? I never said "every", I've always said most. And we all know that's the truth.

you ALWAYS say most?......my ass.....you never say most....and WE all know thats the truth.....

 

[daveman]

Democrats call money spent on education, infrastructure, healthcare and technology an "investment".

Republicans call money not given to millionaires "wasted".

Democrats call money spent on teacher's unions "spending on education".

Democrats call money spent on sidewalks to nowhere "spending on infrastructure".

Democrats call money spent on advancing the socialist takeover of medicine "spending on healthcare".

Democrats call money spent on failed solar technology companies owned by campaign donors "spending on technology".

Democrats lie. A lot.

And Republicans do not? Grow up and face reality.

I gave examples of how Democrats lie. Not my problem if you don't like it being pointed out.

 

[daveman]

You are living in a little dream world. Few Conservatives would die for the liberals right to speak, and vice versa. That is no longer the attitude one gets from America, it is filled with hatred from both sides, there has not been this large a divide since the Civil War.

Your victimhood fantasies bear no resemblance to reality.

I used to post on LA-IMC a few years ago. I told one leftist that I didn't agree with what he said, but that I would give my life to defend his right to say it. I asked him if he would do the same for me.

His response?

"Hell, no! Why would I want to defend your rights, you ******* fascist?!"

And you judge all liberals on one person on the internet? This explains a lot about your ignorance of liberals.

Gosh, you're not bright.

I didn't say anything about liberals. I was talking about leftists. There is a huge difference.

Liberals can be reasonable. Leftists cannot.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

So it's your position that every conserveative thinks exactly alike on every issue, is it?


I think you're wrong about that.

I think there are many many issues where conservatives do not agree.

There's the FAITH BASED fundamentalist conservatives who want to insinuate their religion into our laws.

There's the LIBERTARIAN ATHETIST conservatves who object strenusously with the FAITH BASED cons.

There's big international trade conservatives who love FREE TRADE.

There's American Firsters Cons who absolutely HATE Free TRADE.

There's CONS who want to legalize marijuna, and there's CONS who want to hang all dopers.

Shall I go on, Dave?

Or do you think I'm wrong about the differences I just noted within the conservative community?

I've never said "every" issue. But since the Republican Party is 90% white and filled with malice towards so many, I think it's safe to say "on most", not "every", but "most".

Feel better? I never said "every", I've always said most. And we all know that's the truth.

you ALWAYS say most?......my ass.....you never say most....and WE all know thats the truth.....

8 out of 10 post he will say repubs/ repugs and leave it that he doesn't use that word most or some he throws all in the same attack post.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I've never said "every" issue. But since the Republican Party is 90% white and filled with malice towards so many, I think it's safe to say "on most", not "every", but "most".

Feel better? I never said "every", I've always said most. And we all know that's the truth.

you ALWAYS say most?......my ass.....you never say most....and WE all know thats the truth.....

8 out of 10 post he will say repubs/ repugs and leave it that he doesn't use that word most or some he throws all in the same attack post.

the thing i find funny is Dean,....cant figure out that we have and can, read the shit he posts....as Spock would say.....Fascinating.....