CDZ A great idea or maybe not ?

[beagle9]

What about this - I was thinking about the mandatory evacuation out of Florida in which was ordered to avoid the hurricane, and I thought what if FEMA set it up for the evacuees to have a way to get gas and hotel rooms along the evacuation routes on FEMA's dime ?? Wouldn't this allow for those who might not be so willing to flee for economic reasons, to then flee like everyone else can or would ? Otherwise you have people who are living paycheck to paycheck that might figure that they are stuck, so they just stay behind thinking I will just have to ride it out no matter what happens. It could be that if you have a Florida license plate or tag, and a Florida drivers licence to present while on the evacuation route, and you present that at the supported stations or hotels in the safe zone or along the route, then FEMA would automatically kick in to take care of you and your families accomodations until allowed to return Home. This would level the class situation in which money separates the saved from those left behind because they couldn't get out because of a lack of money. If done in a manageable way, and proper ID along with address and registration to match liscense tag were presented, then you would be excepted to get assistance while in route, and until allowed to return home. The wealthy wouldn't need the assistance, but the unfortunate working class poor who would want to leave also, could definitely get the help if need it on or along the way. Just a thought.

Your idea wouldn't work, for a zillion reasons. Least of which being that Florida is the vacation capital of the world. Slap full of tourists, and foreigners who need to evacuate as well.

And what does individual diversity, race or ethnicity of the individuals got to do with this OP ????? It's mostly to assist native Floridians, and it would accommodate those foriegners and tourist if need be as well. All human beings here, and who need assistance would get that assistance in the emergency.

The OP mentioned needing a Florida drivers licsene... That would make the plan ineffective.

. Remember that these are only ideas that are talked about here, and I am just looking for valuable inputs, so trying to take the OP apart on cherry picking for political or other reasons doesn't work or apply here. Add your valued input, and make it a positive input if you will.. Thanks.

I did... I pointed out one reason, it positively wouldn't work... How is that political?

. Tell us how it could work ?

 

[usmbguest5318]

In the end there are some people who will not want to evacuate, no matter how nicely they are asked, or how many buses may be available. As California has experienced in its many wildfires, some residents just don't see the urgency and feel lucky. In such cases, the concern is less the life of the individual who refuses to leave, and more the life of the responders who may be called on later for a dramatic rescue that could have been avoided.

North Carolina and Texas lead the way in this respect by providing that people who refuse an order to evacuate are civilly liable for the costs of a later rescue -- while it making it clear that such a rescue may not come at all. Combined with the infamous "magic marker" tactics of coastal Virginia, where citizens refusing to evacuate are given pens and instructed to write their social security numbers on themselves so that their remains can be identified, most folks will choose to leave when given the opportunity and resources to do so. If those who don't leave are made to bear the full burden of their choice to stay, there is no real advantage to arresting them and forcing them out. Like the crop of a rider, the threat is a better motivator than the actual use.

 

[Picaro]

What about this - I was thinking about the mandatory evacuation out of Florida in which was ordered to avoid the hurricane, and I thought what if FEMA set it up for the evacuees to have a way to get gas and hotel rooms along the evacuation routes on FEMA's dime ?? Wouldn't this allow for those who might not be so willing to flee for economic reasons, to then flee like everyone else can or would ? Otherwise you have people who are living paycheck to paycheck that might figure that they are stuck, so they just stay behind thinking I will just have to ride it out no matter what happens. It could be that if you have a Florida license plate or tag, and a Florida drivers licence to present while on the evacuation route, and you present that at the supported stations or hotels in the safe zone or along the route, then FEMA would automatically kick in to take care of you and your families accomodations until allowed to return Home. This would level the class situation in which money separates the saved from those left behind because they couldn't get out because of a lack of money. If done in a manageable way, and proper ID along with address and registration to match liscense tag were presented, then you would be excepted to get assistance while in route, and until allowed to return home. The wealthy wouldn't need the assistance, but the unfortunate working class poor who would want to leave also, could definitely get the help if need it on or along the way. Just a thought.

Busses could do well as part of an overall plan.

Ran across an article by a military officer who took part in the Katrina rescue who wrote a web page touting up the idea of trains like the military used to have, hospital cars, supply cars sleeping cars, kitchen cars, etc., that could be rolled in and set up. Made sense to me; temporary rails are relatively easy to repair and lay quickly, relative to repairing interstate highways and the like, with the specialized modern track laying and construction trains, and can carry a lot more than caravans of tractor trailers back and forth as well. I'll try and find the link, it was a while ago, and I don't even remember if I saved it.

 

[ABikerSailor]

You know, there were several cruise lines that let people come onboard for a "cruise to nowhere", that took them out away from the hurricane, and they came back when it was over.

Good idea, wonder why they haven't been doing it more often? I remember that when I was on sea duty in the Navy, anytime a bad storm came around, we would pull out for however long the storm was, and pull back in when it was over.

Not only did the cruise lines save their ships, but they also saved a few thousand evacuees.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Good idea, but the execution would be a nightmare to enforce.

A better thing would be for buses to be designated as refugee buses and allow THOSE buses to get free gas along the evacuation route. Designated drivers with specially issued ID's would be better and a lot easier to enforce.

Of course, then people are going to say they don't want to leave behind their vehicles.

. After the designated route or routes are agreed upon, then FEMA could designate and choose the stations, hotels that would participate. The reason the buses aren't a good idea, is because people fear for their families safety, and so they would rather keep their family separate from strangers for whom would be found in groups of people on buses that are not known.

FEMA is not for that reason. It is a fantasy name and acronym for covering its real purpose. It is vested with authoritative power what is not the characteristic of any agency what is for just helping.

Its really IN for right wingers to rag on FEMA and the lies about coffins and ammo and yadda yadda but do a little reading and you will find it was streamlined by President Obama.

Its tiring to see the right always trash their own country. ALWAYS.

Why does the right refuse to even pretend to care about their own country and to put it above russia?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

What about this - I was thinking about the mandatory evacuation out of Florida in which was ordered to avoid the hurricane, and I thought what if FEMA set it up for the evacuees to have a way to get gas and hotel rooms along the evacuation routes on FEMA's dime ?? Wouldn't this allow for those who might not be so willing to flee for economic reasons, to then flee like everyone else can or would ? Otherwise you have people who are living paycheck to paycheck that might figure that they are stuck, so they just stay behind thinking I will just have to ride it out no matter what happens. It could be that if you have a Florida license plate or tag, and a Florida drivers licence to present while on the evacuation route, and you present that at the supported stations or hotels in the safe zone or along the route, then FEMA would automatically kick in to take care of you and your families accomodations until allowed to return Home. This would level the class situation in which money separates the saved from those left behind because they couldn't get out because of a lack of money. If done in a manageable way, and proper ID along with address and registration to match liscense tag were presented, then you would be excepted to get assistance while in route, and until allowed to return home. The wealthy wouldn't need the assistance, but the unfortunate working class poor who would want to leave also, could definitely get the help if need it on or along the way. Just a thought.

Busses could do well as part of an overall plan.

Ran across an article by a military officer who took part in the Katrina rescue who wrote a web page touting up the idea of trains like the military used to have, hospital cars, supply cars sleeping cars, kitchen cars, etc., that could be rolled in and set up. Made sense to me; temporary rails are relatively easy to repair and lay quickly, relative to repairing interstate highways and the like, with the specialized modern track laying and construction trains, and can carry a lot more than caravans of tractor trailers back and forth as well. I'll try and find the link, it was a while ago, and I don't even remember if I saved it.

Bus companies were taking people to safety.

 

[Picaro]

You know, there were several cruise lines that let people come onboard for a "cruise to nowhere", that took them out away from the hurricane, and they came back when it was over.

Good idea, wonder why they haven't been doing it more often?

Don't know; may have something to do with location and access. The majority of them run out of Florida, and ports like New Orleans were too far out of their main routes, or they would have been trapped in the storm itself and unable to outrun it? The Atlantic is a much bigger place to outrun storms in than the Gulf is.

 

[Gracie]

Many don't leave due to pets. It should be mandatory that in an evacuation, all shelters and motels MUST allow pets. This does not include livestock of course. That's another problem to work out. But in general...pets are what stops people from going. It would stop me, thats for damn sure.

 

[beagle9]

Many don't leave due to pets. It should be mandatory that in an evacuation, all shelters and motels MUST allow pets. This does not include livestock of course. That's another problem to work out. But in general...pets are what stops people from going. It would stop me, thats for damn sure.

. You can only do what you can do, and if you save your pets then congratulations for your loyalty and care for those who need help from humans like you. I agree that in an emergency concessions should be made and rules waved. Good job.

 

[SeaGal]

As a 4th generation Floridian, a few comments.

1. Contrary to most news reports, the entire state of Florida was not under mandatory evacuation.
2. Hurricane paths are notoriously unpredictable.
3 No matter how large the storm the most dangerous winds are close to the center.

Too many people who did not need to leave clogged up the highways and gas stations. Residents in coastal areas subject to storm surge (as opposed to fresh water flooding), others in low lying areas prone to flooding and those living in mobile homes near the 'projected path' should move to higher ground - or a few miles inland.

Floridians living in sturdy structures inland should be prepared to live for a few days without power - lay in adequate water and food supplies, flashlights and batteries, radio. etc.

It's a nice idea to provide transportation, food and shelter to millions of evacuees, but a logistical nightmare to organize in a short time frame (couple of days, max). Utilizing and supplying local shelters makes the most sense and is generally safer than everybody hightailing it out of the state on one of only 2 interstates heading north.

On a personal note - we left just 1 day before the storm made landfall because a family member needs oxygen. We had no damage, for which I am grateful, but power was just restored on Friday. We gassed up early, stayed on the back roads and went to stay with family a half days and half tank drive to the north...then on to family in northern Va. By that time I95 was practically deserted, but all the hotels and rest areas were mobbed. Gas was plentiful. FEMA will reimburse living expenses to those whose homes are unlivable.

side note - on flood insurance - it costs way more than 500 a year if you live in a designated flood zone.

 

[beagle9]

As a 4th generation Floridian, a few comments.

1. Contrary to most news reports, the entire state of Florida was not under mandatory evacuation.
2. Hurricane paths are notoriously unpredictable.
3 No matter how large the storm the most dangerous winds are close to the center.

Too many people who did not need to leave clogged up the highways and gas stations. Residents in coastal areas subject to storm surge (as opposed to fresh water flooding), others in low lying areas prone to flooding and those living in mobile homes near the 'projected path' should move to higher ground - or a few miles inland.

Floridians living in sturdy structures inland should be prepared to live for a few days without power - lay in adequate water and food supplies, flashlights and batteries, radio. etc.

It's a nice idea to provide transportation, food and shelter to millions of evacuees, but a logistical nightmare to organize in a short time frame (couple of days, max). Utilizing and supplying local shelters makes the most sense and is generally safer than everybody hightailing it out of the state on one of only 2 interstates heading north.

On a personal note - we left just 1 day before the storm made landfall because a family member needs oxygen. We had no damage, for which I am grateful, but power was just restored on Friday. We gassed up early, stayed on the back roads and went to stay with family a half days and half tank drive to the north...then on to family in northern Va. By that time I95 was practically deserted, but all the hotels and rest areas were mobbed. Gas was plentiful. FEMA will reimburse living expenses to those whose homes are unlivable.

side note - on flood insurance - it costs way more than 500 a year if you live in a designated flood zone.

. Thanks for your input, and glad you all are safe... I understand your after thoughts on a pre-evacuation, but it sounds you done the right thing by being safety minded. Know it was hard, and our prayers are with Fla. and Texas.