A Friendly Reminder: Obama Selected The List Of Muslim Countries In Emperor Trump's Executive Order

[Steve_McGarrett]

Someone needs to post this information at the airports.

m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

 

[Timmy]

Obama and congress .

So what ? Did obama decide to ban everyone ?? That's the issue.

 

[Steve_McGarrett]

Obama and congress .

So what ? Did obama decide to ban everyone ?? That's the issue.

Why do you oppose the ban of allowing potential Terrorists in America?

 

[longknife]

Limits Were Obama's – Not Trump's



Ironic, isn't it. All the Leftist outrage about banning entry of people from 7 countries is actually something from the Obama administration. Don't believe it? Check it out @ Prison Planet.com » Epic – Is Team Trump Baiting Liberal Media and Refugee Protesters By Using Obama’s Own Policy? The full EO is at the link if you dare check it out for yourself.

 

[Missourian]

Obama and congress .

So what ? Did obama decide to ban everyone ?? That's the issue.

The criteria was countries that are a safe haven for terrorists, a foreign terrorist organization has a significant presence in the country, and most importantly that allowing immigration of individuals originating from that country increases the likelihood that the alien is a credible threat to the national security of the United States.

Give that determination by the State Department and Homeland Security, the only possible question is...why DIDN'T Obama ban immigration and visas?

Link to law executed by President Obama

 

[elektra]

Democrats do not want a United States of America, Democrats are our true enemy.

 

[Missourian]

Well written article from HuffPo explaining the dilemma ...

Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, and NCTC Director Nicholas Rasmussen have all made public statements recently that the intelligence data to support such a through screening process for these Syrian refugees didn’t exist or was inadequate for this requirement.

Senators Rubio and Grassley, as well as Congressman Ryan among others have all called for a thorough screening process which may be largely naïve on their part. No act of Congress, even if President Obama were to sign it could make this happen.

If databases to support a thorough vetting process did exist, where would they come from? Syria - highly unlikely that the Syrians have anything like this, or if they did would certainly not share them with the U.S. that has sought their demise for some five years now. Does the CIA or any other allied intelligence service have a database that covers the millions that have fled Syria, and how would it have been compiled?

Vetting Syrian Refugees: Mission Impossible | The Huffington Post
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[TheGreatGatsby]

Well written article from HuffPo explaining the dilemma ...

Director of National Intelligence Jim Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, and NCTC Director Nicholas Rasmussen have all made public statements recently that the intelligence data to support such a through screening process for these Syrian refugees didn’t exist or was inadequate for this requirement.

Senators Rubio and Grassley, as well as Congressman Ryan among others have all called for a thorough screening process which may be largely naïve on their part. No act of Congress, even if President Obama were to sign it could make this happen.

If databases to support a thorough vetting process did exist, where would they come from? Syria - highly unlikely that the Syrians have anything like this, or if they did would certainly not share them with the U.S. that has sought their demise for some five years now. Does the CIA or any other allied intelligence service have a database that covers the millions that have fled Syria, and how would it have been compiled?

Vetting Syrian Refugees: Mission Impossible | The Huffington Post
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If even the left is saying that we cannot safely do it, then we shouldn't be taking them in.

 

[Dschrute3]

Don't bother. Democrats have their Fake News agenda. It isn't about truth or what's best for Americans. It's only about sabotaging Trump and getting the power back. They really don't care about Americans.

 

[usmbguest5318]

Someone needs to post this information at the airports.

m.townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2017/01/29/news-bulletin-the-list-of-muslim-nations-in-trumps-socalled-muslim-ban-are-ones-obama-choose-n2278021

Have you read the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act? Even the linked article you cite in your OP notes that the provisions Obama enacted serve as controls that give immigration officials an opportunity to perform some degree of validating before granting short-term U.S. entry to individuals hailing from questionable regions. That's a very different thing from implementing a full ban on entry.

Presenting, as you have, the fact that the countries Trump has singled out for his immigration/travel ban is substantively like saying one's predecessor determined that some red foods are harmful to one's health and then proceeding to ban selected classes of red foods produced in certain localities, but not those from other locales, all the while asserting that the choice of locales quarantined includes some of the places one's predecessor identified as producing red food items and delivering them to the U.S.

Trump's course of action re: the ban will achieve one thing: it allows him to assert that he's followed through on a campaign promise. That the tone, substance and efficacy of the action is odious and of dubious value in minimizing the risk of subsequent terrorist acts. The reasons include, but are not limited to the following:

• Individuals from those countries were not the perpetrators of any material quantity of terrorist acts that have transpired in the U.S.
• The individuals of Middle Eastern and Central Asian descent who have carried out terrorist attack were Americans and the ban will not interdict and impede the actions of similar individuals who would do harm on U.S. shores.
• The U.S.' main international foe as goes terrorism is ISIS, and in multiple instances ISIS has shown us that its approach is to inspire, nurture and enable the nefarious intent of individuals ho have free access within the countries in question. ISIS does not act as expeditionary disperser of would be terrorists. It publishes propaganda and rallying calls and then lets sympathizers make their locality and willingness known, whereupon ISIS finds ways to enable them.

One thing the ban does, however, is set up the specious argument for there being causality between the ban and the incidence of terrorism in the U.S., assuming America experiences a lower rate of terrorist acts on its shores. The argument is specious from the get-go because terrorism has no agreed upon definition or set of characteristics. To that end, any violent acts the Trump Administration cares to deem as non-terrorist will be so classified. The insufficiency of the argument for the ban's expressly caused outcomes is found also in the fact that it's all but certain that Trump will not present anything other than a circumstantially developed case for the ban's value.