A few negative issues with President Trump

[Edgetho]

I'm not doing a laundry list of drugs and research for you. Do your own.

THE biggest problem with Private Insurance in this Country is the goobermint.

Juan Pablo Cortez Maximillian Hernandez de la Illegal, gets shit-faced and drives into a tree at 80MPH. Ambulance shows up and carries him to the E-Room.

By Law, they MUST treat him. $250,000 later he gets a bill and laughs it off. Nothing can be done about it. Nothing.

Doctors and Hospitals need to get paid so they "Cost-Shift" that loss onto those who can pay. A Hospital room used tot be $200 a day is now $800 a day. A Surgical procedure that used to cost $4000 for the Surgeon is now $10,000. Just for the Surgeon.

??Numbers are not meant to be accurate, illustrative only.??

Know how the goobermint negotiates? With -- Anybody?? "Here's what we're gonna pay. You'll accept it and pass the loss along or the IRS, the FBI, the FDA and Ag are going to take a serious interest in you".

So Medicare and Medicaid is paying about half of what Private Insurance Companies pay and if they don't like it -- Suck on it. Just pass the losses along to the Customer in the Private Sector.

Which, BTW, is not me. The VA takes care of me. Not very well, but I don't have Medical or drug expenses. So I don't have a dog in this hunt but I do care about this Country and its People.

People are just clueless.

Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect​

https://loricism.fandom.com/wiki/Gell-Mann_Amnesia_Effect#articleComments

The Gell-Mann Effect, also called the Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect describes the phenomenon of an expert believing news articles on topics outside of their field of expertise even after acknowledging that articles written in the same publication that are within the expert's field of expertise are error-ridden and full of misunderstanding. The term was coined by author and film producer Michael Crichton. He explains the irony of the term saying it came about "because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have," and describes the term in his talk "Why Speculate?" in which he says,

Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows. You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray's case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the "wet streets cause rain" stories. Paper's full of them. In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.

— Michael Crichton[1]

The Gell-Mann effect is not a universal phenomenon, and some believe that there is increased distrust in news media when one notices errors in reporting. Michael Crichton may even be seen as an example of this as he argues "we need to start turning away from media."

 

[BackAgain]

I'm not doing a laundry list of drugs and research for you. Do your own.

lol. The first 10 were cited in the EO.

That’s odd. I THOUGHT you said you’d read it.

Since you’re uncurious, I shall help you a bit. Again: not counting insulin (which wasn’t even agreed-to as a part of the program), there was not one single drug which Potato’s EO touched.

Carry on.

 

[Dante]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump a totally free ride free from criticism. So, in that spirit, I think this thread can fairly list the things I want him to undo where he can:

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

C. To undo the damage caused by ex-President Biden’s policies and EO’s, I do applaud President Trump’s use of so many EO’s. But, I see no reason in this modern high tech Information age why the full text of each of his EO’s can’t be posted at his WH web site within moments of his signing them.

ty 4 da classic Liability thread

This is surely a keeper thread and keeper post

Trying to speak out of both sides of your mouth on supporting a convicted felon who granted pardons and clemency to extremely violent criminals who attacked and assaulted Law Enforcement in Trump's name and at his urging.

LE who were protecting our sworn-in and duly elected representatives. Representatives who were certifying an election. a bi-partisan group of elected representatives led by rump's own VP who people were shouting they wanted to hang, after Trump dissed him on social media during the protests and riots.



your 'good man' Trump is what he is.

 

[Dante]

lol. The first 10 were cited in the EO.

That’s odd. I THOUGHT you said you’d read it.

Since you’re uncurious, I shall help you a bit. Again: not counting insulin (which wasn’t even agreed-to as a part of the program), there was not one single drug which Potato’s EO touched.

Carry on.

apologists covering up for Trump lies

 

[BackAgain]

ty 4 da classic Liability thread

This is surely a keeper thread and keeper post

Trying to speak out of both sides of your mouth on supporting a convicted felon who granted pardons and clemency to extremely violent criminals who attacked and assaulted Law Enforcement in Trump's name and at his urging.

LE who were protecting our sworn-in and duly elected representatives. Representatives who were certifying an election. a bi-partisan group of elected representatives led by rump's own VP who people were shouting they wanted to hang, after Trump dissed him on social media during the protests and riots.



your 'good man' Trump is what he is.

The dainty’s ^ dull witted and endless trolling grows ever more petty.

 

[BackAgain]

apologists covering up for Trump lies

Said the dainty ^ with no regard for clarity or topicality.

 

[sartre play]

1. I was and I remain a Trump supporter.

2. Reasonable people can and do have differing views on some matters.

3. But that doesn’t give even a good man like Trump a totally free ride free from criticism. So, in that spirit, I think this thread can fairly list the things I want him to undo where he can:

A. Too late on the J6 pardons. But, while I support most of those pardons, I disapprove of the pardons of any J6 defendant who committed any act of violence against anyone.

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

C. To undo the damage caused by ex-President Biden’s policies and EO’s, I do applaud President Trump’s use of so many EO’s. But, I see no reason in this modern high tech Information age why the full text of each of his EO’s can’t be posted at his WH web site within moments of his signing them.

Some reasonable thoughts. Yet cant get past the thinking that going after illegal drug pushers & smugglers, Criminals.
Gets less push
than young people who came here as little childern, raised and schooled as Americans ,speak English as there 1st language
work hard, and have no criminal record.

 

[martybegan]

Since anonymous trolls like you conflate everyone not to the far right as being somehow a 'leftist'?

Only leftists never admit to being what they are.

They always have to hide it for some reason.

 

[sartre play]

Gas went up thirty cents today, Trump is failing.

Gas around here has been in the two dollar plus range for a few months, Would not get excited yet about some increases.
That kind of thinking is what has torn our country apart.

 

[BackAgain]

Some reasonable thoughts. Yet cant get past the thinking that going after illegal drug pushers & smugglers, Criminals.
Gets less push
than young people who came here as little childern, raised and schooled as Americans ,speak English as there 1st language
work hard, and have no criminal record.

At the risk of sounding “woke,” I’ll say this:

I actually agree that the otherwise innocent kids who got brought here by illegal alien parents face very tough prospects.

And I’ll even go so far as to suggest that maybe we (by Congressionally passed and Presidentially approved law) should permit kids in that situation to stay here (even if their parents get deported) provided that they wish to stay here without their parent(s) and also provided that they are able to get foster parenting.

Complicated stuff. But worthy of consideration.

 

[BackAgain]

Since anonymous trolls like you conflate everyone not to the far right as being somehow a 'leftist'?

The dainty ^ is a troll and, other than four usernames, he is also anonymous.

 

[task0778]

B. Using an EO to attempt to ignite legal actions regarding the so-called “birthright” citizenship of the kids born here to illegal alien moms (or moms and dads) may be an effective way to get the ball rolling. But I’d prefer fewer EOs and much greater reliance on Congressional legislation.

I think this is a good idea to get the courts involved on this issue. Maybe Congress will do something about it, I suspect most people would like some resolution to that problem. It really should go that way IMHO, an interpretation of the 14th Amendment is needed.


RE other Trump issues, I am not happy about using tariffs, I do not believe that avenue ends well. It didn't a 100 years ago with the Smoot-Hawley Act, the whole world went to shit. I know, that was then and this is now and it's a totally connected and different world, but I'm nervous about it anyway. And I do not see the Imbalance of Trade being such a big deal, but we do need to be cautious about how foreign businesses spend their US dollars here. Also, I'm not seeing the need to grab Greenland or anyplace else. I do not see our national security as endangered right now, so why do it? AND, what's the cost? I do wish our pols in both parties were a little more concerned about debt and deficits, but nobody seems to care.

 

[sartre play]

At the risk of sounding “woke,” I’ll say this:

I actually agree that the otherwise innocent kids who got brought here by illegal alien parents face very tough prospects.

And I’ll even go so far as to suggest that maybe we (by Congressionally passed and Presidentially approved law) should permit kids in that situation to stay here (even if their parents get deported) provided that they wish to stay here without their parent(s) and also provided that they are able to get foster parenting.

Complicated stuff. But worthy of consideration.

Many are in college, over 18 or adults now.

 

[BackAgain]

Many are in college, over 18 or adults now.

That is a detail that can be worked out.

 

[Dante]

Oh good. That’s a significant point.

trolling your own thread with these attacks on the comments of other members?

Your "good man trump" apology tour failed back at the OP

A good man?

 

[Dante]

Only leftists never admit to being what they are.

They always have to hide it for some reason.

doesn't Always accusing others of being 'leftists' get so very tiring for you?

I know it has for most everybody who stumbles upon one of your inane posts

 

[Dante]

I think this is a good idea to get the courts involved on this issue. Maybe Congress will do something about it, I suspect most people would like some resolution to that problem. It really should go that way IMHO, an interpretation of the 14th Amendment is needed.


RE other Trump issues, I am not happy about using tariffs, I do not believe that avenue ends well. It didn't a 100 years ago with the Smoot-Hawley Act, the whole world went to shit. I know, that was then and this is now and it's a totally connected and different world, but I'm nervous about it anyway. And I do not see the Imbalance of Trade being such a big deal, but we do need to be cautious about how foreign businesses spend their US dollars here. Also, I'm not seeing the need to grab Greenland or anyplace else. I do not see our national security as endangered right now, so why do it? AND, what's the cost? I do wish our pols in both parties were a little more concerned about debt and deficits, but nobody seems to care.

Hmm...

interesting

post keeper post

 

[BackAgain]

trolling your own thread with these attacks on the comments of other members?

No attacks. Just honest replies to stupid comments. Largely off-topic like almost all of yours are — all the time, the dainty.

Your "good man trump" apology tour failed back at the OP

No apology tour. He is a good man. Just a statement of fact. Your denials are of zero persuasive capacity. As usual.

A good man?

Yes. You couldn’t possibly fathom that concept.

 

[Dante]

No attacks. Just honest replies to stupid comments. Largely off-topic like almost all of yours are — all the time, the dainty.

No apology tour. He is a good man. Just a statement of fact. Your denials are of zero persuasive capacity. As usual.

Yes. You couldn’t possibly fathom that concept.

again

stupid comments?

name calling?

Ttump is a good man? What a joke. Ask the women he sexually abused.

 

[BackAgain]

again

Yep. You never post on topic, you hapless troll.

stupid comments?

All of your comments always are.

name calling?

Something the dainty seems to think only it has the right to do.

Ttump is a good man?

Again; yes. You’re quite slow, the dainty.

What a joke.

You certainly are.

Ask the women he sexually abused.

How do you ask someone who doesn’t exist, the dainty?

Anyway: back on topic (against your will):

Trump is already doing what he promised. Something Potato couldn’t manage in 4 years.