A Common Sense Gun Control Proposal

[The Rabbi]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

 

[Divine Wind]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

Works for me, but in today's meme-oriented political environment, I strongly doubt the Democrats will be willing to do this.

 

[The Rabbi]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

Works for me, but in today's meme-oriented political environment, I strongly doubt the Democrats will be willing to do this.

Everything proposed not only won't work but would not have stopped a single attack that took place.

 

[Theowl32]

What we need to understand (most of us do and the stupid left wing pawns do not) is this is about more and more control. It is that obvious.

No matter what we agree on (whether there is a compromise at all or not) is the left will not be satisfied WITH ANYTHING until every last gun is confiscated from law abiding citizens.

Look at how the left wingers have been used to cause even MORE racial divide even with a black president. Do you realize there were actual people who thought by voting in a black president that the racial divide was going to stop? No way. In fact it has gotten worse. Yes, with the help of the pravda socialist media, we are now in a place where we are somehow convinced that blacks have never had it worse. Of course, poor obama is not to blame since he is propped up as of course a victim of evil right wing republicans. Naturally. Of course the left buy it all up. Blacklivesmatter is a result and glorified by that same pathetic media and entertainment. All successfully brainwashing our young people. There is a push right now with Yale students who are now claiming they should not be subjected to English poets like Shakespeare or Chaucer cause they are "too white." Look it up.

The same with gun control. Right now there are already countless laws that are not even being enforced. Deliberate if you ask me. Almost as if they want mass GUN VIOLENCE to take place so they can use it for MORE LAWS.

They will not stop (much like how they have not stopped the crap about race after obama was elected) until every last gun and gun ownership is done away with. They count on the mass shootings. Make no mistake.

You think I am kidding. They are that evil.

 

[Sonny Clark]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

 

[Divine Wind]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

Works for me, but in today's meme-oriented political environment, I strongly doubt the Democrats will be willing to do this.

Everything proposed not only won't work but would not have stopped a single attack that took place.

Agreed, but the Democrats believe banning bad things works because it makes them feel good.

 

[BULLDOG]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

 

[Sonny Clark]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

 

[BULLDOG]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

So using the logic and spirit of your previous post, you advocate repealing all laws that don't stop the crime they are associated with 100%? If not, why are you specifically opposed to gun laws and not others?

 

[BULLDOG]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

 

[Sonny Clark]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

So using the logic and spirit of your previous post, you advocate repealing all laws that don't stop the crime they are associated with 100%? If not, why are you specifically opposed to gun laws and not others?

Cute, and very silly.
NO, I do NOT advocating repealing laws, that would be asinine and stupid as shit.
Laws do NOT prevent crimes, as we all know, or should know. Laws punish crime, not prevent crime.
If laws prevented crime, why do we have the largest prison population in the known world, bar none? If laws prevented crimes, why are our courts flooded with criminal cases? Laws punish crimes, not prevent them.

Questions?

 

[Sonny Clark]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

 

[PredFan]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

You don't understand how analogies work.

 

[BULLDOG]

A lot of people are saying we should enact "common sense gun laws." I agree.
It is common sense that if something has failed you don't do it again. The Assault Weapons Ban in 1994 was a failure. Crime rates went down after it expired in 2004. There was not a single statistic to show the ban did any good.
The 1968 Gun Control Act is one of the biggest failures of public policy ever. It's aim was to "keep guns out of the hands of criminals." Criminals have even more access to guns today than they did in 1968. Nothing shows any of the licensing, background checks etc of the act have reduced crime. Instead innocent people have been charged for doing innocent things. The recent Supreme Court case on straw purchases is a good point.
In short no gun control proposal has ever worked in real life to lower crime or keep guns out of the hands of criminals. People commonly look at Europe as a model. But we aren't Europeans. The culture is very different and even before Europe had strict gun laws they had far less crime than we do Honduras has very strict laws. Swtizerland very lax ones. Honduras has high crime and Switzerland has low crime. There is no correlation between gun laws and crime.
So common sense dictates that without compelling interest in limiting the constitutional right all these laws should be repealed.

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

 

[The Rabbi]

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

The purpose of child molestation laws is not to prevent it. IT is to punish the person afterwards because no reasonable society can allow that kind of behavior.

 

[BULLDOG]

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

The purpose of child molestation laws is not to prevent it. IT is to punish the person afterwards because no reasonable society can allow that kind of behavior.

That's not really the point. The right wing meme is that gun laws don't prevent gun crime, so there is no need for them. If that is true, then why is that fact not valid across the board?

 

[Sonny Clark]

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

The purpose of child molestation laws is not to prevent it. IT is to punish the person afterwards because no reasonable society can allow that kind of behavior.

That's not really the point. The right wing meme is that gun laws don't prevent gun crime, so there is no need for them. If that is true, then why is that fact not valid across the board?

There's a great need for gun laws, and other laws. Laws are vital to a civilized society. Laws enable the punishment for crimes. Without laws, there would be no punishment. Laws enable us to punish those that do wrong. I don't recall anyone saying that we shouldn't have gun laws, or any laws. Where did you hear it? Who said it?

 

[Sonny Clark]

It's impossible to legislate guns out of the hands of those that want guns.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might go postal at any given minute.

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.
We do background checks, yet they haven't stopped gun violence yet.

Using your logic only, the following is just as valid as your claims. and child molestation laws are a waste.

It's impossible to legislate child molestation out of the hands of those that want to molest children.
It's impossible legislate crimes off our streets.
It's impossible to legislate and enact laws that can read minds and determine who might molest a child at any given minute.

The talk about child molestation laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have child molestation laws on the books, and they haven't stopped child molestation yet.
We do background checks for people who will interact with our children, yet they haven't stopped child molestation yet.

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

No, that's NOT correct. I have never said such, nor have I ever implied such nonsense. I have never mentioned repealing laws. I have never said it was silly to have laws on the books.
Laws are in place to punish crime, not to prevent crime.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Correct. Child molesters are going to molest children, regardless of laws on the books, a proven fact.
We read about abused children all the time. We read about teachers raping students. We read about daycare centers molesting children. We read about foster parents molesting children. We read about Catholic priest molesting altar boys. We read about youth center counselors molesting children. It's very sad, but child molestation is a lot more common than anyone cares to admit.

Laws do not prevent crimes. Laws are on the books to punish crimes, not to prevent them.

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

The purpose of child molestation laws is not to prevent it. IT is to punish the person afterwards because no reasonable society can allow that kind of behavior.

That's not really the point. The right wing meme is that gun laws don't prevent gun crime, so there is no need for them. If that is true, then why is that fact not valid across the board?

Laws are a vital part of any civilized society, including ours. Laws are in place to punish crime, not to prevent crime.

 

[BULLDOG]

I asked a simple question. No answer? I know guns were specifically mentioned in the constitution, but that has nothing to do with my question.

I answered your question.
If you don't think that I answered your question, then ask it again in case I missed it.

I do not avoid questions. Please ask it again. thanks.

You claimed gun control laws were useless because they don't always work as intended. I just wanted to know if you felt the same way about all laws that aren't completely effective. At this point. I understand you to say that less than complete effectiveness of a law is a silly reason to want it repealed. Is that correct?

The purpose of child molestation laws is not to prevent it. IT is to punish the person afterwards because no reasonable society can allow that kind of behavior.

That's not really the point. The right wing meme is that gun laws don't prevent gun crime, so there is no need for them. If that is true, then why is that fact not valid across the board?

Laws are a vital part of any civilized society, including ours. Laws are in place to punish crime, not to prevent crime.

Your below quote would lead someone to think you believe differently. Is it your opinion that there could never be any additional laws, just because out current ones don't always stop crime? If not, why would discussing gun laws be silly and ridiculous, and discussing other types of laws wouldn't?

The talk about gun control laws is basically silly and ridiculous.
We have gun laws on the books, and they haven't stopped gun violence yet.