A Child Can't Call 2 Women or 2 Men "Mom & Dad"

[Skylar]

I care about all children throughout time.

Then tell us how denying marriage to same sex parents benefits their children.

Because the courts have gone to elaborate detail on how your proposal hurts and humiliates children:

"And it humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives.....

....DOMA also brings financial harm to children of same-sex couples. It raises the cost of health care for familiesby taxing health benefits provided by employers to their workers’ same-sex spouses. And it denies or re-duces benefits allowed to families upon the loss of a spouseand parent, benefits that are an integral part of family security. "

You've already admitted there's no benefit to these children in denying marriage to their same sex parents. And the courts have affirmed the tremendous harm your proposals cause children.

Yet you're fixated on hurting these kids if it lets you hurt gays. Um, why?

 

[Silhouette]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

 

[Montrovant]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

Except his point, which has been told to you repeatedly (and repeatedly.....and repeatedly) is that as gay couples are already having children, denying them marriage in no way provides their children with a missing parent.

 

[Silhouette]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

Except his point, which has been told to you repeatedly (and repeatedly.....and repeatedly) is that as gay couples are already having children, denying them marriage in no way provides their children with a missing parent.

Then we all agree. But this in no way entitles them to force states to institutionalize fatherless sons and motherless daughters. I've been meaning to ask Anne Heche about your points..

 

[mdk]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

Except his point, which has been told to you repeatedly (and repeatedly.....and repeatedly) is that as gay couples are already having children, denying them marriage in no way provides their children with a missing parent.

Then we all agree. But this in no way entitles them to force states to institutionalize fatherless sons and motherless daughters. I've been meaning to ask Anne Heche about your points..

If Ann Heche is the best you can come up with is it all that shocking your ilk keeps losing this battle in the courthouse and in the court of public of opinion?

We need to stop gays from getting married so children will suddenly have a mother and father again. lol

 

[Montrovant]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

Except his point, which has been told to you repeatedly (and repeatedly.....and repeatedly) is that as gay couples are already having children, denying them marriage in no way provides their children with a missing parent.

Then we all agree. But this in no way entitles them to force states to institutionalize fatherless sons and motherless daughters. I've been meaning to ask Anne Heche about your points..

What does Anne Heche have to do with any point I've made to you? Being gay doesn't need to be a hardwired genetic trait in order for same sex marriage to be legal.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Daddy's home!

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[-S-]

I have a friend who grew up with two dads.. it was not a good thing for him..








I'm kidding, he turned out great. Went to college, has a good job, a nice girlfriend, and a great relationship with his dads. Saw a post on facebook earlier that he and his girlfriend actually went with his parents to church today for Easter. His dads are super nice.

But that's just one personal example from my life. I'm sure everybody else in America with gay parents turn into messed up misfits of society.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

You would be hurting kids by subjecting them to "marriage" through time as a new institution that deprives sons of fathers and daughters of mothers. Why do you want to hurt so many kids this way?

The only caveat I would add is that sons need their mothers and daughters need their fathers. A boy with two dads and a girl with two mothers are just as deprived and damaged.

 

[Conservative65]

Sure they can. But even if choose to call them dad/dad or mom/mom, who cares?

Recognition of gay marriage is coming at a federal level; therefore, legal in all states. Get used to it.

Who cares? Those of us who know the difference and understand that a female can't be a dad despite the butch dyke role she may play the deviant relationship.

 

[Conservative65]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

 

[Montrovant]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

 

[Conservative65]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

Let's see. I've work continuously since I was 16 years old. I have a wife and two children. I do pretty much what is considered the norm for many people my age. I work in my yard, play golf, fish, ride a bike, etc. Pretty much normal by most standards.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

Right. Wanting to shag another guy's ass is totally the same as lactose intolerance or being allergic to the family cat.

 

[Conservative65]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

Right. Wanting to shag another guy's ass is totally the same as lactose intolerance or being allergic to the family cat.

I wouldn't call being lactose intolerant or allergic to a cat as abnormal. Many people have those conditions without choice. No one chooses either or them.

 

[saintmichaeldefendthem]

Should a child have to solely rely on this Justice to protect his/her interests in this debate:

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

Right. Wanting to shag another guy's ass is totally the same as lactose intolerance or being allergic to the family cat.

I wouldn't call being lactose intolerant or allergic to a cat as abnormal. Many people have those conditions without choice. No one chooses either or them.

Do people choose their sexual orientation? That's tough to answer. But when people demand that everyone accomodate their abnormal lifestyle, like a boy going into the girls' room with my daughter because he thinks he's a girl, it's time for us normal people to start pushing back.

Hard.

 

[Conservative65]

And what of the interests of children whose parents are gay?

Justice Kennedy
"There is an immediate legal injury and that's the voice of these children," he said. "There's some 40,000 children in California, according to the Red Brief, that live with same-sex parents, and they want their parents to have full recognition and full status. The voice of those children is important in this case, don't you think?"

Since two people of the same sex being attracted is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible. That's for normal people.

Since nearly every person is going to have some characteristic about themself which is abnormal, full recognition and full status isn't possible.

Right. Wanting to shag another guy's ass is totally the same as lactose intolerance or being allergic to the family cat.

I wouldn't call being lactose intolerant or allergic to a cat as abnormal. Many people have those conditions without choice. No one chooses either or them.

Do people choose their sexual orientation? That's tough to answer. But when people demand that everyone accomodate their abnormal lifestyle, like a boy going into the girls' room with my daughter because he thinks he's a girl, it's time for us normal people to start pushing back.

Hard.

I agree it's tough to answer. However, acting on something is different. While I like my job, there are things I like just as much that don't require me to answer to someone else and be somewhere at a specific time. It could very easily not go to work and do those other things. However, despite that desire I choose to do what normal people do.

Despite how people say someone born with male DNA is a girl because he thinks he is, it's not normal. I find it quite humorous when those who constantly push science when it comes to supporting what they believe suddenly going against biology, a science, when it comes to things like this. The same ones chastise me and claim I operate under emotion and feelings by using my religious beliefs as a basis for believing what I believe yet do exactly what they claim I do with emotion when it comes to how someone feels about their gender identity. Science is their tool until science goes against what they support.

 

[-S-]

As long as the parents love the kids, does it really matter?

I can think of a family I knew growing up where the kids would have very likely preferred two moms over one pill poppin' mom and a dead beat dad.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

SAINTMICHAELDEFENDTHEM SAID:

“Do people choose their sexual orientation? That's tough to answer. But when people demand that everyone accomodate their abnormal lifestyle, like a boy going into the girls' room with my daughter because he thinks he's a girl, it's time for us normal people to start pushing back.

Hard.”

No, it's not 'hard,' it's really quite simple.

That you perceive someone to be 'abnormal' is subjective and irrelevant; indeed, you and others on the right are in no position to decide what is or is not 'normal.'

Whether people choose their sexual orientation or one's sexual orientation manifests as a consequence of birth is also irrelevant, having nothing to do with you, where no one is 'demanding' you accommodate anything. Gay or transgender Americans seeking their comprehensive civil rights 'demand' nothing from you, they compel you to do nothing, and in no way 'interferes' with your religion or beliefs, or 'violates' any of your rights.

 

[J.E.D]

Sure they can. But even if choose to call them dad/dad or mom/mom, who cares?

Recognition of gay marriage is coming at a federal level; therefore, legal in all states. Get used to it.

Who cares? Those of us who know the difference and understand that a female can't be a dad despite the butch dyke role she may play the deviant relationship.

Yeah, who cares. Mind your own business.