A BIG debate on Israel/Palestine Nakba

"The Nazi era is the most discussed period in history, yet most Jews and others are unaware of the interaction between Zionism, Hitler and Mussolini


Comparing Zionism to Nazism constitutes anti-Semitism, based on US and EU guidelines.
Did you learn Jew hatred from the vermin who raised you?

Martin Luther King, Jr...
When people criticize Zionists, they mean Jews. You are talking anti-Semitism.

I see Israel as one of the great outposts of democracy in the world, and a marvelous example of what can be done, how desert land can be transformed into an oasis of brotherhood and democracy. Peace for Israel means security and that security must be a reality.

I solemnly pledge to do my utmost to uphold the fair name of the Jews -- because bigotry in any form is an affront to us all.
"I have a dream" for peace in the Middle East / King's special bond with Israel
 
Uri Avnery...
Well, it seems, my fans here like to parade dumbass individuals.
Are you saying you're smarter than Uri Avnery?
I am, of course, and wiser too.
Have you spent more time in Israel?
Are we, albeit indirectly, admitting that, the smartest ones are in Israel?
Shed more of your blood for the Jewish State?
Oh, a new measure of intellectual abilities. And I thought shedding the enemy's one was.
Published more books?
Avnery's scribes and scribbles make a good fire-starter.
Are we running out of arguments yet?
 
Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
Shed more of your blood for the Jewish State?

Shed less American blood with Israel's anti-terrorism intelligence and military assistance.
 
Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
Shed more of your blood for the Jewish State?

Shed less American blood with Israel's anti-terrorism intelligence and military assistance.

Shed less American blood and save trillions of dollars: abandon the zionazi artificial statelet...:clap2:

Monkey Boy, Israel makes America a safer country, while you masturbate in your room all day with your inflatable doll.

Four Star General and former National Security Advisor James Jones...
We will never forget that since the first minutes of Israeli independence, the United States has had a special relationship with Israel. And that will not change. Why? Because this is not a commitment of Democrats or Republicans; it is a national commitment based on shared values, deep and interwoven connections, and mutual interests

I can also say from long experience that our security relationship with Israel is important for America. Our military benefits from Israeli innovations in technology, from shared intelligence, from exercises that help our readiness and joint training that enhances our capabilities and from lessons learned in Israel's own battles against terrorism and asymmetric threats
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
Shed more of your blood for the Jewish State?

Shed less American blood with Israel's anti-terrorism intelligence and military assistance.

Shed less American blood and save trillions of dollars: abandon the zionazi artificial statelet...:clap2:

Monkey Boy, Israelis buy $15 billion to $20 billion in American products annually, while you buy cheap inflatable dolls from China to have sex with.

Office of the United States Trade Representative...
U.S. goods exports in 2008 were $14.5 billion, up 11.3 percent from the previous year. Corresponding U.S. imports from Israel were $22.3 billion, up 7.4 percent. Israel is currently the 20th largest export market for U.S. goods.

Israel | Office of the United States Trade Representative
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by georgephillip
Shed more of your blood for the Jewish State?

Shed less American blood with Israel's anti-terrorism intelligence and military assistance.

Shed less American blood and save trillions of dollars: abandon the zionazi artificial statelet...:clap2:

Monkey Boy, Israel is one of the most advanced, successful, prosperous democracies in the world. Your backward Arab Muslim sand rats are still living in the 7th century.

Monkey Boy makes his money licking jihadist ass. Lick up, Monkey Boy.

Warren Buffett, Multi-Billion Dollar Purchase of Successful Israeli Company...
Israel is exceptional. I can give you an absolute, unequivocal answer. You can go around the world and it's very impressive to see a country of 7 million create a business like this, I haven't seen anything like this in the US.

When you think about it, if you compare Israel (now) to 1948, it's very, very impressive. It's a remarkable place
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Well, it seems, my fans here like to parade dumbass individuals.
Are you saying you're smarter than Uri Avnery?
I am, of course, and wiser too.Are we, albeit indirectly, admitting that, the smartest ones are in Israel?Oh, a new measure of intellectual abilities. And I thought shedding the enemy's one was.
Published more books?
Avnery's scribes and scribbles make a good fire-starter.
Are we running out of arguments yet?
So you're admitting to be a functional illiterate with a suspect sense of humor?

Can you provide any superficially cogent criticisms of "Avnery's scribes and scribbles?"
 
Are you saying you're smarter than Uri Avnery?
I am, of course, and wiser too.Are we, albeit indirectly, admitting that, the smartest ones are in Israel?Oh, a new measure of intellectual abilities. And I thought shedding the enemy's one was.
Avnery's scribes and scribbles make a good fire-starter.
Are we running out of arguments yet?
So you're admitting to be a functional illiterate with a suspect sense of humor?

Can you provide any superficially cogent criticisms of "Avnery's scribes and scribbles?"

You're calling others illiterate, high school dropout? Oh, the irony of the internet! :lol:
 
How about the irony of Yitzhak Shamir, "Princeton"?

"Zionist factions competed for the honor of allying to Hitler. By 1940-41, the 'Stern Gang,' among them Yitzhak Shamir, later Prime Minister of Israel, presented the Nazis with the 'Fundamental Features of the Proposal of the National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi) Concerning the Solution of the Jewish Question in Europe and the Participation of the NMO in the War on the Side of Germany.'"

Since we are not talking about comparing contemporary Israeli policies to those of the Nazis, save your anti-Semitic boilerplate and confront Zionism's ties to fascist dictators.

If you're not too timid. (or ignorant)

Lenni BrennerLenni Brenner: 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis
 
Which of the following definitions of "Zionism" do you subscribe to?

"Zionism

"1. The Jewish national liberation movement which proclaims that the Jewish people constitute a nation and are entitled their national homeland.

"2. A religion practiced by people all over sub-Saharan Africa and is most popular in Swaziland. The religion is a mixture of Protestantism and Animism.

Is Zionism an ideology and should it be examined in the same way as any other political tendency?

Wiki
 
Which of the following definitions of "Zionism" do you subscribe to?

Questioning Jewish self-determinatin, Zionism, constitutes anti-Semitism, based on US and EU guidelines.

Using your time to get a job instead of posting Nazi sentiments will be a better use of your time.

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights
 
"Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If free speech frightens you, maybe you should live in the Middle East?
 
"Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791. Note

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

If free speech frightens you, maybe you should live in the Middle East?

Even loser Nazis, like loser George, are free to spew the Jew hatred inherited in his vile loser DNA
 
Which of the following definitions of "Zionism" do you subscribe to?

Questioning Jewish self-determinatin, Zionism, constitutes anti-Semitism, based on US and EU guidelines.

Using your time to get a job instead of posting Nazi sentiments will be a better use of your time.

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…

The inhabitants of a place have the right to self determination. In the case of Palestine that would be the Palestinians. This right does no apply to foreigners.

Of the 37 people who signed Israel's declaration of independence, only one was born in Palestine. The rest were foreigners. Virtually all of its citizens were also foreigners.

Israel is a foreign entity inside Palestine that denies the inhabitants their right to self determination.
 
"In 1983, Croom Helm Ltd. published my 1st book, Zionism in the Age of the Dictators. American writers don't expect favorable reviews from the London Times, but editorialist Edward Mortimer declared that 'Brenner is able to cite numerous cases where Zionists collaborated with anti-Semitic regimes, including Hitler's.'

"Still less could a Trotskyist dream of a review from Izvestia, the Soviet government gazette, but they hailed it. 'During the world war, Brenner points out, Zionism showed its real meaning: for the sake of its ambitions, it sacrificed the blood of millions of Jews.'

"Louis Rapoport, a failed Berkeley radical, denounced the book in the Jerusalem Post as 'leftist babble.' Nevertheless, he conceded, there were 'very real charges that will continue to haunt' Zionism 'until they are dealt with honestly.'"

Not that I expect hasbara to deal honestly with Zionism.

It's much safer to shriek anti-Semite than to look at the Founding Psychopaths of the Jewish State of Israel.

Lenni Brenner:
 
Which of the following definitions of "Zionism" do you subscribe to?

Questioning Jewish self-determinatin, Zionism, constitutes anti-Semitism, based on US and EU guidelines.

Using your time to get a job instead of posting Nazi sentiments will be a better use of your time.

US Department of State
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

Anti-Semitism is one of the oldest forms of malicious intolerance and violates the precepts of human dignity and equality that are fundamental to a free and peaceful society.
History has shown that wherever anti-Semitism has gone unchecked, the persecution of others has been present or not far behind.

Defeating anti-Semitism must be a cause of great importance not only for Jews, but for all people who value humanity and justice and want to live in a more tolerant, peaceful world. Together, we must continue our efforts to monitor and combat anti-Semitism in all of its forms wherever and whenever it occurs.

Forms of Anti-Semitism

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…
Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.
Contemporary Global Anti-Semitism:A Report Provided to the United States Congress

EUMC...
Examples of the ways in which antiSemitism manifests itself with regard to the state of Israel, drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, eg, by claiming that the existence of a state of Israel is a racist endeavor.

FRA - European Union Agency for Fundamental Rights

Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination.…

The inhabitants of a place have the right to self determination. In the case of Palestine that would be the Palestinians. This right does no apply to foreigners.

Palestinians are Arabs. There are nearly 30 Arab countries.

Palestine is a Roman invention, naming Judea, the correct geographic name of the land, "Palaestina," a reference to the Philistines, who were Greek, not Arab.

There are no references to Palestine or Palestinians in any ancient historical records.
There are no references to Palestine or Palestinians in the Quran
There are no references to Palestine or Palestinians in the Hebrew Bible
There areno references to Palestine or Palestinians in the Christian Bible.

Arabs denied the existence of "Palestine" for most of history, viewing it as southern Syria.

Eminent Middle East historian Bernard Lewis edifies...
The word Palestine comes from "Philistine" and originally denoted the coastal region north and south of Gaza [not the land now known as Israel] which was occupied and settled by the Philistine invaders from across the sea [who were Aegean, not Arab or Jewish

Palestine was sometimes extended to include territories further east but was not usually applied to Judaea [Israel, today] , which in Roman times was still officially and commonly known by that name.

It would seem that the name Judaea was abolished at the same time as Jerusalem and the country renamed Palestina or Syria-Palestina with the same intention to obliterate its historic Jewish identity.


After the Ottoman conquest in 1516-17...Palestine was no longer used by Muslims, for whom it had never meant more than an administrative sub-district [of Syria and Lebanon], and it had been forgotten even in that limited sense. In the final phase of this rule before the British conquest, Palestine was part of Beirut. The Palestine entity, formally established and defined by Britain, was formaly abolished in 1948 with the termination of the Mandate.

For Arabs, too, the term Palestine was unacceptable, though for other reasons. For Muslims it was alien and irrelevant but not abhorrent in the same way as it was to Jews. The main objection for them was that it seemed to assert a separate entity which politically conscious Arabs in Palestine and elsewhere denied. For them there was no such thing as a country called Palestine. The region which the British called Palestine was merely a separated part of a larger whole. For a long time organized and articulate Arab political opinion was virtually unanimous on this point.
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"The total inhabitants removed from these localities were estimated previously at 750,000 and they represented 80% of the Palestinian people living in the land that became Israel.

"Numbers are easily calculated from village statistics conducted by the British in 1944-1945 and upgrading it to 1948-1949 by considering the known population growth rates per year (British Mandate measured: 3.8% for Muslims, 2% for Christians).

"By including the Bedouins of Beer Sheba, Abu Sitta calculated the actual number of refugees created (excluding internal refugees) to be 804,767 among a population of about one million that inhabited the area that became Israel by 1949. The land cultivated and used by these depopulated Palestinian villagers was the land that was to make today’s Israel.

"After the war, remaining lands owned by the Palestinians was 7% (1,474,169 dunums, a dunum is about a quarter of an acre), while Jewish owned or controlled lands went from 8% (1,682,000 dunums) to 85%.

"This land, which was allocated for use by Jews only, made the bulk of the 'land of Israel.'"

Palestinian
 
"The total inhabitants removed from these localities were estimated previously at 750,000 and they represented 80% of the Palestinian people living in the land that became Israel.

Nonsense, psycho:cuckoo: Bogus website. This is why you're severely uneducated.

Arabs fled a war they initiated against the Jews. Arab countries have refused to resettle them for 60 years.

Middle East historian Bernard Lewis...
Between 1947 and 1949 a large part of the Arab inhabitants of the territories included in the new state of Israel left their homes and took refuge on the West Bank, in the Gaza Strip, and in the neighboring countries.

The Israelis claim that they left at the instigation of their own leaders, who told them to go so as not to interfere with the movements of troops, and promised them that they would return in the wake of the triumphant Arab armies very shortly. The Arabs maintain that they were driven out by the Israelis. Both arguments are true; both are false. Some were undoubtedly told to go by their own leaders; some, notably in the strategically vital corridor between Jerusalem and the coast, were ordered to leave by the advancing Israeli troops.

The great majority [of Arabs], like countless millions of refugees elsewhere, left their homes amid the confusion and panic of invasion and war—one more unhappy part of the vast movement of populations which occurred in the aftermath of World War II. As the Poles fled from the eastern areas seized by the Russians, as the Germans fled from East German territories annexed by the Poles, as millions of Muslims and Hindus fled from India to Pakistan and from Pakistan to India, so too did great numbers of Arabs flee from Palestine to the neighboring Arab states while large numbers of Jews, most of them previously unaffected by Zionist ideology, fled from the tensions which had arisen in the Arab states to the relative safety of Israel.

At the time it was hoped that this problem would be resolved, like the refugee problems in Eastern Europe and in the Indian subcontinent, and that the Arab refugees would be partly resettled in the Arab countries, partly returned to their homes. This did not happen, and with the exception of Jordan, the Arab governments made a point of not according citizenship to the refugees and of opposing their resettlement
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