84 schools in England show NO white British pupils...

[Challenger]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

 

[Challenger]

Your insistence of ignoring that this recent manifestation of the problem has an ethnic component

I'm not ignoring anything, merely putting it into perspective and attempting to introduce a bit of objectivity.

Your refusal to face the ethnic component PROVES my point about Political Correctness being one of the two causes.

Rubbish. See comment above



.

You are doing exactly what the police and government workers did in Rotherham.

You are putting Political Correctness and the fear of being racist ahead of the safety of your nation's children.

You are NOT objective.

POlitical Correctness at least added 6 years of operation to that atrocity.

And we can see from your posts that Political Correctness is alive and well.

Whatever, if you say so.

 

[Correll]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

 

[Correll]

Your insistence of ignoring that this recent manifestation of the problem has an ethnic component

I'm not ignoring anything, merely putting it into perspective and attempting to introduce a bit of objectivity.

Your refusal to face the ethnic component PROVES my point about Political Correctness being one of the two causes.

Rubbish. See comment above



.

You are doing exactly what the police and government workers did in Rotherham.

You are putting Political Correctness and the fear of being racist ahead of the safety of your nation's children.

You are NOT objective.

POlitical Correctness at least added 6 years of operation to that atrocity.

And we can see from your posts that Political Correctness is alive and well.

Whatever, if you say so.

Your intellectual surrender is accepted.

 

[Phoenall]

Diversity just means less white people.

Why are white folks not having enough babies?

More to the point why are coloured people having too many babies in a world already overpopulated ?

So that they don't have to go on a message board to bitch about their dwindling population

It is the lunatics and non whites that are doing that, not the pinks like me. We see our level and know we cant take on any more without losing something along the way. We are flooding in places that never flooded before, we have water shortages because reservoirs have been filled in to build houses. We have food shortages in the shops because the farmers are not paid what it costs to produce basic foods. As a small island we can only hold so many people and not start to suffer like this, and the likes of you and tainted want to see another 10 million migrants allowed in. I wonder if you have worked out who will pay for the migrants when the English money earners leave and go elsewhere ?

Parliament under advice of the Crown could make a law that all money and property are confiscated before your rich folks move elsewhere.

Hardly as we could transfer it out of the country before they could do that, and then follow our money abroad. The taxes lost would cripple the economy and lead to civil war

 

[Phoenall]

Diversity just means less white people.

Why are white folks not having enough babies?

More to the point why are coloured people having too many babies in a world already overpopulated ?

So that they don't have to go on a message board to bitch about their dwindling population

It is the lunatics and non whites that are doing that, not the pinks like me. We see our level and know we cant take on any more without losing something along the way. We are flooding in places that never flooded before, we have water shortages because reservoirs have been filled in to build houses. We have food shortages in the shops because the farmers are not paid what it costs to produce basic foods. As a small island we can only hold so many people and not start to suffer like this, and the likes of you and tainted want to see another 10 million migrants allowed in. I wonder if you have worked out who will pay for the migrants when the English money earners leave and go elsewhere ?

This is surely the most nutty post you have ever produced. I would comment in detail but I am off to Tesco to clear the shelves of anything that is left after the food shortages.
Oh and just one more point. The floods have nothing to do with immigration. It is Gods wrath over the legalising of Gay marriage.

Then look at Toll Bar and see why that flooded. If you had any gumption you would start growing your own food before you start to glow.

 

[Phoenall]

I also have a problem with the idea of "secure borders". A huge stretch of sea is no longer a guarentee of a secure border, much less 100s Kms of open land, which, let's face it is impractical to fence off and patrol continuously. Migration is only a major issue amongst those "nimbys", "little Englanders" and "closet racists" (and overt ones for that matter) who are terrified lest a "black man" moves in next door and so lowers property prices in the neighbourhood.

People have migrated throughout Europe and the British Isles througout history and these populations have been assimilated over time. Almost all Italians alive today are descendants of Gothic tribes that settled there after Rome fell; the French (Franks) were originally Germans; the Russians were origianally Swedes, the Hungarians; Magyar tribes from central asia; the list goes on and on.

I'm happy with open borders, let them come who will. What we'll end up with is a better, stronger, more tolerant and open society. If you're worried about "benefits", make the immigrant a citizen and let them pay taxes. The overwhelming majority of Asian immigrants came here and set up businesses which employ non-Asians so everyone benefits in the long run.

America is the classic nation of immigrants after all, and they're not doing too badly are they?

The majority of migrants to the UK are unable to work here due to lack of education, ill health, age or just downright laziness. If the millions of migrants all set up businesses and employed other people then why are there so many unemployed looking for work. Why do the migrants make up the largest number of unemployed/inactive members of society according to the governments own statistics office. Why are 84% of muslims inactive when the national average is 70%, why do so many stand in France look to Britain and say we want money and house.

 

[Phoenall]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

Easy as I will do any job I am capable of, as will many of my friends, many migrants wont clean toilets as it is against their religion. Some wont serve alcohol or pork and should be sacked for refusing, then have their welfare stopped for 5 years.

The reason is more sinister as the migrants froze out the indigenous taxi drivers because they could work nights taxi driving and sign on unemployed during the day. At one point nearly every private hire car in a certain English city was supplied by Motability, and the government was not prepared to do anything about it. Now the rules have changed and the cars are flagged on PNC as motability.


Then why are newly qualified Doctors and Nurses being sacked when there is a shortage of them in the NHS, remember the furore over that and the neo Marxists trying to hide behind figures and lies. So really no one would suffer and you are just making things up to cover for the truth.


Then the people who can afford the tuition should pay more, and the ones who cant but have the intelligence should get scholarships. Isnt that the socialist way, until it means the champagne socialists will lose their pick of the high paid jobs to the more intelligent

 

[Challenger]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

1. I don't have to do anything, you made the assertion, the burden of proof is yours.
2. What makes you think they'll stay once the "deportations" start? they have internationally marketable skills so many will "jump" before they're "pushed" to the benefit of the rest of the world, and our detriment.
3. Finance, our government won't pay for them, foreign governments will pay for their students to study here. Many universities need that income to survive.

 

[Challenger]

Your insistence of ignoring that this recent manifestation of the problem has an ethnic component

I'm not ignoring anything, merely putting it into perspective and attempting to introduce a bit of objectivity.

Your refusal to face the ethnic component PROVES my point about Political Correctness being one of the two causes.

Rubbish. See comment above



.

You are doing exactly what the police and government workers did in Rotherham.

You are putting Political Correctness and the fear of being racist ahead of the safety of your nation's children.

You are NOT objective.

POlitical Correctness at least added 6 years of operation to that atrocity.

And we can see from your posts that Political Correctness is alive and well.

Whatever, if you say so.

Your intellectual surrender is accepted.

In your dreams...

 

[Phoenall]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

1. I don't have to do anything, you made the assertion, the burden of proof is yours.
2. What makes you think they'll stay once the "deportations" start? they have internationally marketable skills so many will "jump" before they're "pushed" to the benefit of the rest of the world, and our detriment.
3. Finance, our government won't pay for them, foreign governments will pay for their students to study here. Many universities need that income to survive.

Not many nations need unskilled dish washers or curry house chefs while their own people are willing to do the work. Only the UK under neo Marxist rule needed 20 curry chefs for every Indian take away

 

[Correll]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

1. I don't have to do anything, you made the assertion, the burden of proof is yours.
2. What makes you think they'll stay once the "deportations" start? they have internationally marketable skills so many will "jump" before they're "pushed" to the benefit of the rest of the world, and our detriment.
3. Finance, our government won't pay for them, foreign governments will pay for their students to study here. Many universities need that income to survive.

1. Fine. A couple of quick google searches seems to show that Construction is one of the prime jobs that supposedly native born whites won't do.

http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/16488/1/16488.pdf

This shows the percentage of native born whites in construction RISING from 1979 to 2000, and at a level of 13% of the working white male population.

If more that 1 in ten native born white men work in construction, claiming that they won't do the jobs is bullshit.

Also came across this.

Construction and immigration: Have your say


"Construction, as a sector, often employs migrant labour. Indeed, one of the first migrants to arrive from Romania this week was coming to Britain to seek work in construction.

Victor Spiresau, who arrived in the UK on 1 January, told ITV that he had work lined up washing cars in London, but hoped to go on to work in the construction industry.

The 30-year-old said he earned 10 euros a day working on building sites in Romania and that he hoped to make 10 euros an hour here, but was not planning on settling."



Some of the comments.


"My first job, quite some time ago now, had me being paid a premium for being on contract. Now my current employer expects me to be on contract and only earn the equivalent I would as PAYE.

While I have valued the flexibility they are also lately complaining that 'I'm never there', which is odd as for the over 4 years I've worked there I've never had more than 3 days in a row off, and then either to look after sick children or for study. While also valuing and using my skills, enhanced by the expensive study I've paid for myself, they are also not wanting to offer either better roles, or increased pay.

Wanting it both ways while offering me nothing."




"FAIRCLOUGH | 3 Jan 14 10:55 pm

I worked in the construction industry for 10 years as a sub contract dry-liner, thinking my job was safe for life. As the credit crunch set in I decided to thankfully leave the industry.

Numerous years ago whist on site on a new build hospital in Manchester I witnessed 15 British subbies 'let go' on Friday. On the following Monday 15 Bulgarians walked on and took the British construction workers jobs. That particular contractor I worked for decided to enrol their English site managers on Polish language courses.

Working on a hospital extension in Burnley I noticed a lot of foreign voices. Along with the Polish there were 12 Russians working for a gang master, all living in 1 house and being paid £30 a day each on 12 hour days.

The industry was beginning to be flooded with cheap foreign workers, CSCS were actively seeking workers from abroad. CSCS was supposedly set up to protect the British workers jobs? CSCS has basically taken millions and millions of pounds off construction workers for the honour of carrying a meaningless plastic card.

Workmanship has come to an all time low with bad workmanship overlooked because its cheaper and more profit for the contractors.

All the people I know who are still trying to survive in the construction industry sometimes spending weeks and months out of work say there is about 60% foreign workers in dry-lining on site now and they are finding it very difficult to find any work.

Many foreign construction agencies have signs in the shop window stating 'No English'

Where in the calculation on 'net contribution made by foreign workers' is the part about the 100,000's of displaced British construction workers?

I really do feel for my old mates still struggling with their British overheads facing unemplyment trying to compete against cheap migratory workers. Of course migratory workers can be good for the construction industry if controlled to fill the empty spaces. But uncontrolled is exactly what it is, 'out of control'"



2. If they had better offers somewhere else they wanted to live, they would have already left. Some people might be pro-active and start looking for alternative offers, and those that fine better ones would leave. Other would either ride it out, hoping the policy is reversed or not find anything better.

3. If the students are just showing up to pay for a service and then leave, they aren't really immigrants but visitors. Different story.

 

[Correll]

Your insistence of ignoring that this recent manifestation of the problem has an ethnic component

I'm not ignoring anything, merely putting it into perspective and attempting to introduce a bit of objectivity.

Your refusal to face the ethnic component PROVES my point about Political Correctness being one of the two causes.

Rubbish. See comment above



.

You are doing exactly what the police and government workers did in Rotherham.

You are putting Political Correctness and the fear of being racist ahead of the safety of your nation's children.

You are NOT objective.

POlitical Correctness at least added 6 years of operation to that atrocity.

And we can see from your posts that Political Correctness is alive and well.

Whatever, if you say so.

Your intellectual surrender is accepted.

In your dreams...

I made a valid point, about the way your behavior demonstrated the Witch Hunt mentality of Political Correctness, JUST LIKE IN ROTHERHAM.

Your response? "Whatever"?

Being snarky is not a defense, it is a dodge.

Which is what you do when you know that you can't defend your position honestly based on it's merits.

 

[Maggdy]

Meanwhile the polices and political correctness that was really the cause continue on unaddressed.

Read the whole article.

I read the article.

HIs opinion does not trump the reality of the situation.

He is telling you and other liberals what you want to hear and what your leaders want and need you to believe in order to advance their agenda.


The problem is that part of what you are ignoring when you believe them, is horrible suffering by children.

THIS WILL OCCUR AGAIN, if it is not already happening still in other cities with more complete coverups.

Because the causes are untouched.

I never said it did, but it is still nevertheless, a more informed and nuanced view far closer to the "reality of the situation" than the "black muslim immigrants are coming here to rape our children" banner headline soundbite you keep pushing.

Will it occur again? Of course it will, it has always gone on, long before black and muslim immigration became an "issue"

Nick Davies — Child prostitutes and poverty in Britain

Age of innocence

The problem is fundamentally the fractured society we live in, the rampant poverty in some areas that creates the circumstances for these scum, (black, brown, white, yellow; Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. makes no difference) to be able to prey on the weak and disadvantaged.

Pointing to "political correctness" as the cause, is ridiculous as is trying to single out one small section of the community for opprobrium.

I perfectly agree. You draw up it correctly the facts. That is not only facts, but also the problem.
And the appearance of refugees how extremely enhances an old problem in Europe.

What is an acceptable solution to the problem? There is many ideas, but still no one give a good answer.

We need to consider the various arguments. I do not like the Hungarian government's arrogant, but there are some remarkable excuse.

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Interview with BILD Zeitung (Germany)
September 13, 2015

BILD: " What is your opinion about the idea that these people who are already here in Europe should be distributed among the countries of the European Union according to a quota system?

Viktor Orban, PM: There are two arguments against this. Firstly, refugee quotas only make sense if borders are secure. Until then, no government can have any idea about how many people need to be distributed, because their numbers will be constantly increasing. And secondly: can we really prevent migrants from travelling to where they want to go? Should we chain them up in Europe’s capitals, so they don’t go back to Germany? Who can really keep them in Estonia, Slovenia or Portugal, if they want to go to Germany? It's an illusion to think they won't."

More: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Interview with BILD Zeitung

Acceptable solutions?

1. Political Correctness needs to be destroyed. We cannot effectively address any problems while the Political Class and their allies in the Media are permitted to define opposition to their policies as racism.

2. Stop Third World Immigration. Effectively all of it. It was a mistake.

3. Deport everyone not already a legal citizen, and so that are, if they give cause.


And that should help.

And, how you exercise this your idea?

The government has made a proposal to the European Commission in your country?

For example:

"Mr. Orbán said that “We believe that there are countries in the EU which wish to solve their problems in this manner, and there are others which do not”. "

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán proposes ten-point action plan
April 15, 2016

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has proposed a ten-point action plan for protecting the external borders of the European Union and free movement within the EU.
The Prime Minister spoke about the “Schengen 2.0” plan at the meeting of the Centrist Democrat International (CDI) held in Lisbon on Friday. In an interview with public service media, he said that the plan is necessary because the European Commission’s proposal for management of the migration crisis is wrong-headed. The latter seeks to reform the asylum system, while Hungary takes the view that “we must protect the borders”, said Mr. Orbán, who is one of the vice-presidents of the CDI, an international organisation of centrist parties of Christian democratic orientation.

The action plan will also be circulated among the Visegrád countries and other EU Prime Ministers over the next few days. Next week Mr. Orbán will present the proposal in Germany in person, and also in a number of other European countries over the following weeks. The Prime Minister takes the view that it must be made clear to the EU that “it is not acceptable – as would be the case under the Commission’s proposal – for someone in Brussels to decide that the countries of the EU must solve their demographic and economic problems through immigration”.

Mr. Orbán said that “We believe that there are countries in the EU which wish to solve their problems in this manner, and there are others which do not”. He pointed out that Hungary falls into the latter group, because it does not seek to remedy such problems through immigration, but through prudent family and economic policy. He said that the EU cannot deprive Hungary of the right “to decide how we wish to resolve these problems”; in other words, the EU cannot create a system which it lets in migrants and then prescribes mandatory resettlement quotas for every Member State, he argued. The Prime Minister said that this is why the referendum planned to be held in Hungary in relation to the mandatory resettlement quota is important, because “now that we have Brussels’ official proposal on the table, there is enormous pressure on us. […] If we do not stop Brussels with a referendum, they will indeed impose on us […] masses of people, with whom we do not wish to live together”.

A number of other issues were also discussed at the CDI meeting, including the Panama offshore scandal. Mr. Orbán said that attendees pledged to aim for full transparency in this matter. “Every country with low taxes must disclose information to those countries enquiring about investments made there by their own nationals”, he said. During his visit to Portugal the Prime Minister will also have talks with Pedro Passos Coelho, President of the Portuguese Social Democratic Party (PSD) and Portuguese head of state Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa.

(Cabinet Office of the Prime Minister) Source: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán proposes ten-point action plan

Bonus:
"....In closing, Mr. Orbán said that “We wish to thank Mário David for always extending his friendly support to us, so that we Hungarians can feel at home in the European Union, even when under fire from attackers”... More: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán presents state decoration to Portuguese politician

 

[Correll]

Read the whole article.

I read the article.

HIs opinion does not trump the reality of the situation.

He is telling you and other liberals what you want to hear and what your leaders want and need you to believe in order to advance their agenda.


The problem is that part of what you are ignoring when you believe them, is horrible suffering by children.

THIS WILL OCCUR AGAIN, if it is not already happening still in other cities with more complete coverups.

Because the causes are untouched.

I never said it did, but it is still nevertheless, a more informed and nuanced view far closer to the "reality of the situation" than the "black muslim immigrants are coming here to rape our children" banner headline soundbite you keep pushing.

Will it occur again? Of course it will, it has always gone on, long before black and muslim immigration became an "issue"

Nick Davies — Child prostitutes and poverty in Britain

Age of innocence

The problem is fundamentally the fractured society we live in, the rampant poverty in some areas that creates the circumstances for these scum, (black, brown, white, yellow; Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. makes no difference) to be able to prey on the weak and disadvantaged.

Pointing to "political correctness" as the cause, is ridiculous as is trying to single out one small section of the community for opprobrium.

I perfectly agree. You draw up it correctly the facts. That is not only facts, but also the problem.
And the appearance of refugees how extremely enhances an old problem in Europe.

What is an acceptable solution to the problem? There is many ideas, but still no one give a good answer.

We need to consider the various arguments. I do not like the Hungarian government's arrogant, but there are some remarkable excuse.

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Interview with BILD Zeitung (Germany)
September 13, 2015

BILD: " What is your opinion about the idea that these people who are already here in Europe should be distributed among the countries of the European Union according to a quota system?

Viktor Orban, PM: There are two arguments against this. Firstly, refugee quotas only make sense if borders are secure. Until then, no government can have any idea about how many people need to be distributed, because their numbers will be constantly increasing. And secondly: can we really prevent migrants from travelling to where they want to go? Should we chain them up in Europe’s capitals, so they don’t go back to Germany? Who can really keep them in Estonia, Slovenia or Portugal, if they want to go to Germany? It's an illusion to think they won't."

More: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán’s Interview with BILD Zeitung

Acceptable solutions?

1. Political Correctness needs to be destroyed. We cannot effectively address any problems while the Political Class and their allies in the Media are permitted to define opposition to their policies as racism.

2. Stop Third World Immigration. Effectively all of it. It was a mistake.

3. Deport everyone not already a legal citizen, and so that are, if they give cause.


And that should help.

And, how you exercise this your idea?

The government has made a proposal to the European Commission in your country?

For example:

"Mr. Orbán said that “We believe that there are countries in the EU which wish to solve their problems in this manner, and there are others which do not”. "

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán proposes ten-point action plan
April 15, 2016

Prime Minister Viktor Orbán has proposed a ten-point action plan for protecting the external borders of the European Union and free movement within the EU.
The Prime Minister spoke about the “Schengen 2.0” plan at the meeting of the Centrist Democrat International (CDI) held in Lisbon on Friday. In an interview with public service media, he said that the plan is necessary because the European Commission’s proposal for management of the migration crisis is wrong-headed. The latter seeks to reform the asylum system, while Hungary takes the view that “we must protect the borders”, said Mr. Orbán, who is one of the vice-presidents of the CDI, an international organisation of centrist parties of Christian democratic orientation.

The action plan will also be circulated among the Visegrád countries and other EU Prime Ministers over the next few days. Next week Mr. Orbán will present the proposal in Germany in person, and also in a number of other European countries over the following weeks. The Prime Minister takes the view that it must be made clear to the EU that “it is not acceptable – as would be the case under the Commission’s proposal – for someone in Brussels to decide that the countries of the EU must solve their demographic and economic problems through immigration”.

Mr. Orbán said that “We believe that there are countries in the EU which wish to solve their problems in this manner, and there are others which do not”. He pointed out that Hungary falls into the latter group, because it does not seek to remedy such problems through immigration, but through prudent family and economic policy. He said that the EU cannot deprive Hungary of the right “to decide how we wish to resolve these problems”; in other words, the EU cannot create a system which it lets in migrants and then prescribes mandatory resettlement quotas for every Member State, he argued. The Prime Minister said that this is why the referendum planned to be held in Hungary in relation to the mandatory resettlement quota is important, because “now that we have Brussels’ official proposal on the table, there is enormous pressure on us. […] If we do not stop Brussels with a referendum, they will indeed impose on us […] masses of people, with whom we do not wish to live together”.

A number of other issues were also discussed at the CDI meeting, including the Panama offshore scandal. Mr. Orbán said that attendees pledged to aim for full transparency in this matter. “Every country with low taxes must disclose information to those countries enquiring about investments made there by their own nationals”, he said. During his visit to Portugal the Prime Minister will also have talks with Pedro Passos Coelho, President of the Portuguese Social Democratic Party (PSD) and Portuguese head of state Marcelo Rebelo de Sousa.

(Cabinet Office of the Prime Minister) Source: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán proposes ten-point action plan

Bonus:
"....In closing, Mr. Orbán said that “We wish to thank Mário David for always extending his friendly support to us, so that we Hungarians can feel at home in the European Union, even when under fire from attackers”... More: Prime Minister Viktor Orbán presents state decoration to Portuguese politician

Has the EU shown any interest in respecting the democratically expressed will of various national populations who want to protect themselves, their economy and their culture?


If the EU is the problem preventing a nation from polices to serve the interests of their citizens, then the EU is contrary to the interest of those citizens.

Obvious answer, pull out of the EU.

 

[Challenger]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

1. I don't have to do anything, you made the assertion, the burden of proof is yours.
2. What makes you think they'll stay once the "deportations" start? they have internationally marketable skills so many will "jump" before they're "pushed" to the benefit of the rest of the world, and our detriment.
3. Finance, our government won't pay for them, foreign governments will pay for their students to study here. Many universities need that income to survive.

1. Fine. A couple of quick google searches seems to show that Construction is one of the prime jobs that supposedly native born whites won't do.

http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/16488/1/16488.pdf

This shows the percentage of native born whites in construction RISING from 1979 to 2000, and at a level of 13% of the working white male population.

If more that 1 in ten native born white men work in construction, claiming that they won't do the jobs is bullshit.

Also came across this.

Construction and immigration: Have your say


"Construction, as a sector, often employs migrant labour. Indeed, one of the first migrants to arrive from Romania this week was coming to Britain to seek work in construction.

Victor Spiresau, who arrived in the UK on 1 January, told ITV that he had work lined up washing cars in London, but hoped to go on to work in the construction industry.

The 30-year-old said he earned 10 euros a day working on building sites in Romania and that he hoped to make 10 euros an hour here, but was not planning on settling."



Some of the comments.


"My first job, quite some time ago now, had me being paid a premium for being on contract. Now my current employer expects me to be on contract and only earn the equivalent I would as PAYE.

While I have valued the flexibility they are also lately complaining that 'I'm never there', which is odd as for the over 4 years I've worked there I've never had more than 3 days in a row off, and then either to look after sick children or for study. While also valuing and using my skills, enhanced by the expensive study I've paid for myself, they are also not wanting to offer either better roles, or increased pay.

Wanting it both ways while offering me nothing."




"FAIRCLOUGH | 3 Jan 14 10:55 pm

I worked in the construction industry for 10 years as a sub contract dry-liner, thinking my job was safe for life. As the credit crunch set in I decided to thankfully leave the industry.

Numerous years ago whist on site on a new build hospital in Manchester I witnessed 15 British subbies 'let go' on Friday. On the following Monday 15 Bulgarians walked on and took the British construction workers jobs. That particular contractor I worked for decided to enrol their English site managers on Polish language courses.

Working on a hospital extension in Burnley I noticed a lot of foreign voices. Along with the Polish there were 12 Russians working for a gang master, all living in 1 house and being paid £30 a day each on 12 hour days.

The industry was beginning to be flooded with cheap foreign workers, CSCS were actively seeking workers from abroad. CSCS was supposedly set up to protect the British workers jobs? CSCS has basically taken millions and millions of pounds off construction workers for the honour of carrying a meaningless plastic card.

Workmanship has come to an all time low with bad workmanship overlooked because its cheaper and more profit for the contractors.

All the people I know who are still trying to survive in the construction industry sometimes spending weeks and months out of work say there is about 60% foreign workers in dry-lining on site now and they are finding it very difficult to find any work.

Many foreign construction agencies have signs in the shop window stating 'No English'

Where in the calculation on 'net contribution made by foreign workers' is the part about the 100,000's of displaced British construction workers?

I really do feel for my old mates still struggling with their British overheads facing unemplyment trying to compete against cheap migratory workers. Of course migratory workers can be good for the construction industry if controlled to fill the empty spaces. But uncontrolled is exactly what it is, 'out of control'"



2. If they had better offers somewhere else they wanted to live, they would have already left. Some people might be pro-active and start looking for alternative offers, and those that fine better ones would leave. Other would either ride it out, hoping the policy is reversed or not find anything better.

3. If the students are just showing up to pay for a service and then leave, they aren't really immigrants but visitors. Different story.

1. Cherrypicking information that's 15 years out of date is hardly proving anything. As it happens, I worked for Tarmac about that time and we found Eastern European migrant workers just as skilled as their British counterparts but they were more reliable and worked harder for the same rate of pay, hiring them was a no brainer; the free market can be a bitch to those who get complacent and lazy. Most of them eventually went home but those who stayed on are now British tax paying citizens, just with funny last names.
2. Would they? What brought them here in the first place; attractive offers of employment. If some racist idiot wants to get rid of them, they will go elsewhere just like that, too many already have as other countries value their skills and lure them away. One reason the NHS is still under staffed.
3. Students, both foreign and domestic, get jobs while they study, and some foreign students stay on after qualifying.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

I made a valid point, about the way your behavior demonstrated the Witch Hunt mentality of Political Correctness, JUST LIKE IN ROTHERHAM.

Your response? "Whatever"?

Being snarky is not a defense, it is a dodge.

.

I read it as complicit support for the behavior in question.

Thousands of postings that all point in the same direction makes that clear.

 

[Challenger]

Has the EU shown any interest in respecting the democratically expressed will of various national populations who want to protect themselves, their economy and their culture?

If these "various national populations who want to protect themselves, their economy and their culture" voted in EU elections they might be taken more seriously.

 

[Correll]

The idea that these immigrants are doing jobs the natives won't do is rubbish.

Prove it.

Are you seriously claiming that native whites would NOT be taxi drivers?

No. I never made any such claim.

You telling me that you don't have "native whites" who want to be nurses and doctors?

It takes about 5 years+ to train and qualify as a doctor, 3-4 for a nurse. Wanting to be and being able are to different things. You want white English patients to suffer and die waiting for white English people to train?

YOu telling me you don't have "native whites" who want to fill those university slots?

Wanting to and being able to are to different things. That said, many universities rely on the finance foreign students bring in from their respective governments who pay their university fees.

1. Name a significant job that supposedly native born whites won't do, and I will.

2. So deport them last. And start training.

3. Why would they be "unable" to fill those slots?

1. I don't have to do anything, you made the assertion, the burden of proof is yours.
2. What makes you think they'll stay once the "deportations" start? they have internationally marketable skills so many will "jump" before they're "pushed" to the benefit of the rest of the world, and our detriment.
3. Finance, our government won't pay for them, foreign governments will pay for their students to study here. Many universities need that income to survive.

1. Fine. A couple of quick google searches seems to show that Construction is one of the prime jobs that supposedly native born whites won't do.

http://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/16488/1/16488.pdf

This shows the percentage of native born whites in construction RISING from 1979 to 2000, and at a level of 13% of the working white male population.

If more that 1 in ten native born white men work in construction, claiming that they won't do the jobs is bullshit.

Also came across this.

Construction and immigration: Have your say


"Construction, as a sector, often employs migrant labour. Indeed, one of the first migrants to arrive from Romania this week was coming to Britain to seek work in construction.

Victor Spiresau, who arrived in the UK on 1 January, told ITV that he had work lined up washing cars in London, but hoped to go on to work in the construction industry.

The 30-year-old said he earned 10 euros a day working on building sites in Romania and that he hoped to make 10 euros an hour here, but was not planning on settling."



Some of the comments.


"My first job, quite some time ago now, had me being paid a premium for being on contract. Now my current employer expects me to be on contract and only earn the equivalent I would as PAYE.

While I have valued the flexibility they are also lately complaining that 'I'm never there', which is odd as for the over 4 years I've worked there I've never had more than 3 days in a row off, and then either to look after sick children or for study. While also valuing and using my skills, enhanced by the expensive study I've paid for myself, they are also not wanting to offer either better roles, or increased pay.

Wanting it both ways while offering me nothing."




"FAIRCLOUGH | 3 Jan 14 10:55 pm

I worked in the construction industry for 10 years as a sub contract dry-liner, thinking my job was safe for life. As the credit crunch set in I decided to thankfully leave the industry.

Numerous years ago whist on site on a new build hospital in Manchester I witnessed 15 British subbies 'let go' on Friday. On the following Monday 15 Bulgarians walked on and took the British construction workers jobs. That particular contractor I worked for decided to enrol their English site managers on Polish language courses.

Working on a hospital extension in Burnley I noticed a lot of foreign voices. Along with the Polish there were 12 Russians working for a gang master, all living in 1 house and being paid £30 a day each on 12 hour days.

The industry was beginning to be flooded with cheap foreign workers, CSCS were actively seeking workers from abroad. CSCS was supposedly set up to protect the British workers jobs? CSCS has basically taken millions and millions of pounds off construction workers for the honour of carrying a meaningless plastic card.

Workmanship has come to an all time low with bad workmanship overlooked because its cheaper and more profit for the contractors.

All the people I know who are still trying to survive in the construction industry sometimes spending weeks and months out of work say there is about 60% foreign workers in dry-lining on site now and they are finding it very difficult to find any work.

Many foreign construction agencies have signs in the shop window stating 'No English'

Where in the calculation on 'net contribution made by foreign workers' is the part about the 100,000's of displaced British construction workers?

I really do feel for my old mates still struggling with their British overheads facing unemplyment trying to compete against cheap migratory workers. Of course migratory workers can be good for the construction industry if controlled to fill the empty spaces. But uncontrolled is exactly what it is, 'out of control'"



2. If they had better offers somewhere else they wanted to live, they would have already left. Some people might be pro-active and start looking for alternative offers, and those that fine better ones would leave. Other would either ride it out, hoping the policy is reversed or not find anything better.

3. If the students are just showing up to pay for a service and then leave, they aren't really immigrants but visitors. Different story.

1. Cherrypicking information that's 15 years out of date is hardly proving anything. As it happens, I worked for Tarmac about that time and we found Eastern European migrant workers just as skilled as their British counterparts but they were more reliable and worked harder for the same rate of pay, hiring them was a no brainer; the free market can be a bitch to those who get complacent and lazy. Most of them eventually went home but those who stayed on are now British tax paying citizens, just with funny last names.
2. Would they? What brought them here in the first place; attractive offers of employment. If some racist idiot wants to get rid of them, they will go elsewhere just like that, too many already have as other countries value their skills and lure them away. One reason the NHS is still under staffed.
3. Students, both foreign and domestic, get jobs while they study, and some foreign students stay on after qualifying.

1. Nice moving of the goal posts there. A moment ago the argument was that native born whites WON'T do the job, now you're arguing that immigrants do it BETTER.

Well, when you are comparing working class jobs, and you are comparing average or even below average UK workers to the cream of the crop of crappy Second or Third World workers attracted by vastly higher wages, that is likely outcome.

But regardless, the argument that pro-immigration people always use is that british WON'T DO the work. NOw we see that that is not the case.

2. Well, maybe you should raise wages until the new brits workers have a chance to fill those slots. That would help hold them, and then be good jobs for your citizens when the time comes.

3. So, do you craft policy to benefit the schools, or to benefit the citizens?

 

[Challenger]

...But regardless, the argument that pro-immigration people always use is that british WON'T DO the work. NOw we see that that is not the case.

No movement of goal posts, just sharing an anecdote from personal experience in the industry you cited. Here's an interesting article from a "right wing" newspaper, however:

"...It’s a cliché, but it’s a cliché for a reason: a few rotten apples aside (such as the criminal gangs from Eastern Europe who have made a home here along with their fellow countrymen), migrants mostly come here to do the jobs we can't or won’t. In the first category are those at the upper end, who work for mostly London-based companies that require access to global talent pools - but they're not really who we're talking about, given that they put in far more than they take out (unless you're competing against them for access to the London property market, or places at private school).

In the second are those who do what are called 3D or 5D jobs - “dirty, difficult and dangerous”, or the same with “domestic and dull” added. That's confirmed by Migration Observatory, which found that it was precisely these "relatively low-skilled sectors and occupations" that have seen the biggest growth in foreign-born workers since the early 2000s. Migrants in the UK Labour Market: An Overview | The Migration Observatory

None of this is to say that immigration isn’t a concern. Yes, people overestimate its impact: as a recent survey has found, people believe that immigrants make up a quarter of the population rather than the actual figure of 13 per cent. And no, it doesn’t necessarily prevent British people getting jobs: witness the fact that the number of jobless families has fallen to an 18-year low, even as immigration remains stubbornly high (which in turn suggests that many of these new arrivals are adding to workforce rather than displacing Britons from their jobs).

Our immigration problems are a result of Britain's success

2. Well, maybe you should raise wages until the new brits workers have a chance to fill those slots. That would help hold them, and then be good jobs for your citizens when the time comes

Where will you get the money from? These foreign medical professionals were attracted because the NHS paid more than they earned in their home countries; raise the wages to what a native would expect and you'd bankrupt the NHS, which is cracking at the seams already. Haven't you heard, we live in an age of "austerity".

3. So, do you craft policy to benefit the schools, or to benefit the citizens?

Both. since schools reciving funding from foreign countries help defray costs borne by the taxpayer and the schools will accept native students, so it's a win-win scenario.