Zone1 So what is "GENOCIDE" anyway? Does it apply to White S. Afrikaners?

[Zincwarrior]

But we let them in here, and many of them can then try to transfer to a permanent status, I work in Engineering and we have a few H1-B's in my company, not all but many try to transfer to a green card.

But you are not trying to keep them here. You are literally trying to kick out legal refugees from multiple countries on our continent, and then paying to fly these people in.

 

[martybegan]

But you are not trying to keep them here. You are literally trying to kick out legal refugees from multiple countries on our continent, and then paying to fly these people in.

Said "refugees" are not here legally in any permanent sense. They were let in and put on temp authorizations of dubious standing.

Meanwhile most of them got here by flooding the border and the Dems did NOTHING to stop it. So anyone could have come in, got a slap on the back, some bogus temp status, and then shipped around the country.

Those temp statuses are now being revoked. Dems could have done this the right way, instead they let it become chaos, and now you guys whine about the needed backlash.

 

[MarathonMike]

Ok thats fair.
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They still have the farms.

The Venezuelans being kicked out were legal refugees. Same for the Ukrainians. Same for El Salvadorans etc. etc.


I am being quite civil. I have not called anyone a racist cracker for trying to import other foreign racist crackers while kicking out the darkies at the exact same time. The only difference appears to be the color of their skin, but ok with allowing them in too, but not kicking out others at the same time. The hypocrisy is maddening, but explains much.

You should educate yourself on the current state of affairs in South Africa. You obviously have not. White people are less than 7 percent of the SA population and meet every definition of a persecuted and targeted people. Therefore, their asylum claim is valid.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You should educate yourself on the current state of affairs in South Africa. You obviously have not. White people are less than 7 percent of the SA population and meet every definition of a persecuted and targeted people. Therefore, their asylum claim is valid.

Not in the US.

 

[martybegan]

Not in the US.

Yes, in the US. By your logic why aren't the Venezuelans going to Brazil, Peru, or Colombia?

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, in the US.

Nearest safe country is not the US.

By your logic why aren't the Venezuelans going to Brazil, Peru, or Colombia?

I agree with you actually, although arguably that would be the US. Peru and Colombia have guerrilla movements. Brazil has guerrilla movements and right wing death squads.

 

[martybegan]

Nearest safe country is not the US.


I agree with you actually, although arguably that would be the US. Peru and Colombia have guerrilla movements. Brazil has guerrilla movements and right wing death squads.

We have Anti-fa and the current Hamas loving nutters, and they are getting worse.

Plus the occasional trans nut shooting up schools.

 

[MarathonMike]

I do not.

I also think that the powers that be ensured that they could, in essence, declare any group as being 'genocided' based on the language.

You'll note that in all of that, not one time was a specific number mentioned.

For all that those definitions rate, if a nation were to take out a chess club with a membership of 3 people, that can be declared a 'genocide'.

I disregard the term out of hand for that very reason.

Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, all can be said to be practicing 'Genocide' in their attitudes and actions regarding Israel.

That is what "From the River to the Sea" means.

I agree that the term 'genocide' has become politicized and is over-used. It's similar to how 'Fascist' is over-used. I initially thought it was hype until I listened to interviews, watched Trump's meeting with SA leader and did some reading. I now think genocide is the appropriate term to describe what his happening to the SA White people.

That aside, even if the attacks and murders do not rise to the "level" of genocide, their asylum claims for being a persecuted group is valid.

 

[Zincwarrior]

We have Anti-fa and the current Hamas loving nutters, and they are getting worse.

Plus the occasional trans nut shooting up schools.

While I agree with you I will note we do not have FARC or SHining Path, or massive cartel violence. If one group should be allowed in all groups should be allowed in.

Personally I am for no groups except Afghan or Iraq refugees being allowed in.

 

[martybegan]

I agree that the term 'genocide' has become politicized and is over-used. It's similar to how 'Fascist' is over-used. I initially thought it was hype until I listened to interviews, watched Trump's meeting with SA leader and did some reading. I now think genocide is the appropriate term to describe what his happening to the SA White people.

That aside, even if the attacks and murders do not rise to the "level" of genocide, their asylum claims for being a persecuted group is valid.

To me the obvious genocides are the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the Killing Fields in Cambodia.

On the border are the Holodomor, and some of those African purges in the 70's to 90's.

 

[martybegan]

While I agree with you I will note we do not have FARC or SHining Path, or massive cartel violence.

Still better than what's going on in Venezuela.

 

[Zincwarrior]

To me the obvious genocides are the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the Killing Fields in Cambodia.

On the border are the Holodomor, and some of those African purges in the 70's to 90's.

I would add Sudan/South Sudan, Rwanda, and Uyghurs in China.

Still better than what's going on in Venezuela.

Apologies but to clarify - are you saying those are better than Venezuela? I'd say thats arguably correct except Peru. Shining Path is a seriously messed up group of terror commies.

 

[martybegan]

I would add Sudan/South Sudan, Rwanda, and Uyghurs in China.


Apologies but to clarify - are you saying those are better than Venezuela? I'd say thats arguably correct except Peru. Shining Path is a seriously messed up group of terror commies.

Shining Path isn't a patch on the actual government screwing over it's own people in Venezuela.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Shining Path isn't a patch on the actual government screwing over it's own people in Venezuela.

I am not going to disagree. I just know some people personally who fled from Shining Path.

Fun fact. I was all set to do a multi year stint in Venezuela with the Bank I just joined, and looking forward to the food, the people, and following the tradition of bringing back an insanely hot wife, right when the new government went commie and seized the bank there.

 

[MarathonMike]

To me the obvious genocides are the Holocaust, the Armenian genocide, and the Killing Fields in Cambodia.

On the border are the Holodomor, and some of those African purges in the 70's to 90's.

What I see happening is that the Democrats have steered their gaslighting to attacking the term 'genocide' which allows them to ignore the clear and undeniable targeting of White South Africans and the daily violence and murders they are enduring because of their ethnicity. That's part of the reason I started this thread.

 

[martybegan]

What I see happening is that the Democrats have steered their gaslighting to attacking the term 'genocide' which allows them to ignore the clear and undeniable targeting of White South Africans and the daily violence and murders they are enduring because of their ethnicity. That's part of the reason I started this thread.

It also behooves us not to use terms as loosely as the left does.

 

[MarathonMike]

It also behooves us not to use terms as loosely as the left does.

Amen to that!

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

That's not how it works.

"Genocide" is the attempted killing of a people.

So, if there were a genocide against the Afrikaans then there would be evidence that this were so. Like statistics that show a targeted campaign of violence against that particular group.

There isn't.

South Africa's murder rate is about 45 per 100,000. The US is at about 6 per 100,000

Now, farmers generally live in safer places.

Mapping murder rates in provinces | Crimehub

An overview map of the murder rate (per 100,000 population) per police station between April 2022 and March 2023, including an indication of quarterly murder incident trends.

crimehub.org

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For example Kimberley right on the eastern edge of Northern Cape is much safer than Jo-burg, Pretoria, Cape Town, Durban etc. It's a diamond mining place. Still unsafe compared to the countryside. It's somewhere between 15-32 murders per 100,00 people, whereas Jo-burg has places at 200-300 per 100,000 people.

There are no race crime statistics in South Africa.

Fact-checking Trump's claims of white farmer 'genocide' in South Africa

White farmers have been murdered in South Africa, but those murders account for such a small percentage of the country's total and do not amount to genocide, experts say.

www.pbs.org

"White farmers have been murdered in South Africa. But those murders account for less than 1% of more than 27,000 annual murders nationwide."

Less than 1% is probably much less than 1%.

"The South African Police Service’s crime report for the period from April 1, 2022, to March 31, 2023, shows there were 51 murders on farms of a total of 27,494 murders nationwide. But the data has limitations."

So, 51 murders on farms *maybe, and not all of those murders would have been white people, because black people work on farms too. And many Afrikaans aren't farmers. Maybe 44,000 from 2.7 million people.

Afrikaaners live mostly in the west of the country where murder rates are generally lower.




The statistics suggest Trump is wrong. Violence exists in South Africa, it affects everyone, but it affects poor black South Africans far more than anyone else.

Of course the racist south African government is going to hide and deny the real interracial murder statistics

 

[MarathonMike]

It's been lather, rinse, repeat for corrupt African leadership for a thousand years.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course the racist south African government is going to hide and deny the real interracial murder statistics

Any evidence the government is racist? Any evidence they're hiding interracial murder statistics?

Are SA whites really being killed 'like flies'? Why Steve Hofmeyr is wrong

Are white Afrikaners really being killed “like flies”? Is a white South African farmer being “slaughtered every five days?” Would the number of w...

africacheck.org

"“Whites are far less likely to be murdered than their black or coloured counterparts,” Lizette Lancaster, who manages the Institute for Security Studies crime and justice hub, told Africa Check. This is supported by an analysis of a national sample of 1,378 murder dockets conducted by police in 2009. In 86.9% of the cases, the victims were Africans. Whites accounted for 1.8% of the cases (although whites make up 8.85% of the population)."

Seems when they do look at the stats, it seems whites are less likely to be killed.