8 Things Women Couldn't Do On The First Women's Equality Day In 1971 -- And 6 They Still Can't

[Rikurzhen]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

You apparently never frequent conservative websites.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

I'm a man, I'm telling you that I'm willing to live under such laws and social rules. My misbehavior will have consequences for me under such rules.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

Sure they're a solution. Divorce also has to be made more difficult to obtain. This really makes men and women responsible. Or at least more responsible than at present.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Look, the problem here is women, not men. Most of the women who are single mothers thought the men they were sleeping with were good enough to be sex partners but not good enough to be husband material or they set their sights too high and got pregnant and now they can't find a man willing to support the spawn of another man. Of those who were once married, women initiate over 70% of divorces.

You know the saying about men who don't want to commit, where there's a female counterpart which is also a truism, women don't stay committed.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

I'm not saying anything about your choice to use birth control. Not a damn thing. I'm just telling you to keep your hands off my wallet. See, nothing about your birth control, everything about your thievery.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Clementine]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

Sounds like you hate all men. Both the man and woman choose to have sex. If the woman gets pregnant, the man has no say in whether she has the baby or not. She can dispose of her own flesh and blood regardless of how the man feels. If she decides to have it, then both should take responsibility, but the woman is in control most of the time.

It's interesting how many women claim not to know who the father is when she applies for aid. I've known some on welfare and they lie about who the father is just so they can get welfare and the state won't go after the father for child support. Often, the father lives with the mother.

Men who abandon children are deadbeats. No doubt. But there are plenty of deadbeat parents who actually live with their children.

As far as birth control, it's not difficult. And it's the individual's responsibility.

Most women on birth control don't need it for a medical condition. And it's cheap. Even with medical insurance, there are deductibles. In fact, thanks to Obamacare, the deductibles are even higher, so chances are you'll be buying your own birth control because it would take a lot to meet the deductible. If you have no deductible, then you're probably subsidized and should easily afford the small price of contraceptives.

There is a lot of whining and demands and some spend more effort on that than they do on just handling things themselves. It's insane that so many feel entitled to this or that and resent having to spend their own money for their own well-being. Health insurance would be so much cheaper if they weren't expected to cover every expense. Should be reserved for catastrophic illness or injury, not routine stuff.

Used to have flex accounts for medical and it was so easy. Thanks to so many regulations now, most don't offer those. Government makes it difficult for people to take care of themselves. It's because they don't want people to take responsibility for their own needs. Government wants dependents and I see they have one in you

 

[Rikurzhen]

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

The solution is for women to control themselves when it comes time to mate selection. That is after all the way women get to the point where they get pregnant. The New York Times reports:

After midnight on a rainy night last week in Chapel Hill, N.C., a large group of sorority women at the University of North Carolina squeezed into the corner booth of a gritty basement bar. Bathed in a neon glow, they splashed beer from pitchers, traded jokes and belted out lyrics to a Taylor Swift heartache anthem thundering overhead. As a night out, it had everything — except guys. . . .

North Carolina, with a student body that is nearly 60 percent female, is just one of many large universities that at times feel eerily like women’s colleges. . .

Jayne Dallas, a senior studying advertising who was seated across the table, grumbled that the population of male undergraduates was even smaller when you looked at it as a dating pool. “Out of that 40 percent, there are maybe 20 percent that we would consider, and out of those 20, 10 have girlfriends, so all the girls are fighting over that other 10 percent,” she said. ​

So in this environment where there are 6 women for every 4 men, women tend to write off half the men as not being exciting enough for them, the very men who would be the reliable husbands and doting fathers. Women aren't sexually attracted to the Dad-type, they yearn for the Cad-type. Well, cads aren't great dads. You see where the problem begins? Women's choices in men. These women are so lonely but they'd rather hang out with other women than date the lower half of men on campus.

Several male students acknowledged that the math skewed pleasantly in their favor. “You don’t have to work that hard,” said Matt Garofalo, a senior at North Carolina. “You meet a girl at a late-night restaurant, she’s texting you the next day.” . . .

Indeed, there are a fair number of Mr. Lonelyhearts on campus. “Even though there’s this huge imbalance between the sexes, it still doesn’t change the fact of guys sitting around, bemoaning their single status,” said Patrick Hooper, a Georgia senior. “It’s the same as high school, but the women are even more enchanting and beautiful.”

And perhaps still elusive. Many women eagerly hit the library on Saturday night. And most would prefer to go out with friends, rather than date a campus brute.
​

There's your solution. Solutions which prevent a problem are always much more effective than solutions which try to deal with the problem after it's occurred.

 

[Mathbud1]

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

I resent your statement. I am a man. I will call any man who walks away from his responsibilities a coward or worse. I live in an extremely conservative state. The few people I've met who actually think it is ok for a father to shirk responsibility are definitely NOT conservatives.

The majority view around here is that men and women BOTH should not be having sex at all until they are married, and then only with their spouse. When they do decide to have sex, they absolutely should shoulder the responsibilities that result.

When you have sex and who you have it with is a choice. As you pointed out, men will not die without sex. Funny enough, women will not die without sex either.

 

[Dana7360]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

You apparently never frequent conservative websites.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

I'm a man, I'm telling you that I'm willing to live under such laws and social rules. My misbehavior will have consequences for me under such rules.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

Sure they're a solution. Divorce also has to be made more difficult to obtain. This really makes men and women responsible. Or at least more responsible than at present.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Look, the problem here is women, not men. Most of the women who are single mothers thought the men they were sleeping with were good enough to be sex partners but not good enough to be husband material or they set their sights too high and got pregnant and now they can't find a man willing to support the spawn of another man. Of those who were once married, women initiate over 70% of divorces.

You know the saying about men who don't want to commit, where there's a female counterpart which is also a truism, women don't stay committed.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

I'm not saying anything about your choice to use birth control. Not a damn thing. I'm just telling you to keep your hands off my wallet. See, nothing about your birth control, everything about your thievery.

No I don't go to conservative websites. I've seen screen shots and copies from their posting and it's just too filled with hate and lies for me to waste my time.

Why don't you give me a link to a conservative website that talks about men who walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done? Please include a link to men suggesting solutions to that problem they have caused. I would love to read about it. However, just having an opinion about it doesn't solve anything. I don't see any conservative politicians talking about it or doing anything about it.

Just saying you would live with consequences of your actions isn't actually doing it. Nor is it taking action to implement something that will stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. Can you tell me of any actions you've taken to help solve that problem?

A solution isn't the same thing as a good solution that lasts for a lifetime. Making divorce harder isn't the answer. Especially when there's violence involved. As there is in so many situations. Forcing people to marry just because someone is pregnant isn't a good solution. Forcing children to grow up in a war zone between their parents is child abuse as far as I'm concerned.

The problem isn't just women. The problem is men. They walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. Or in the case of divorce, they just walk away as if their children never existed.

It's pretty low to blame women for what men do. It's also very conservative. You people never take any responsibility for what you do or say. Women don't get pregnant by themselves. It takes two. Only in our society it's perfectly fine for the men to just walk away from their own flesh and blood without looking back to see what they've done. While at the same time call women sluts and whores.

No one is taking money from you for contraceptives. Women pay their premiums, deductibles and co payments just like men do. If men can have their viagra and penis pumps covered, women can have their contraceptives covered.

And guess what? It's now 100% covered by most insurance whether you like it or not.

You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to like it. You do have to accept it.

 

[Dana7360]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

Sounds like you hate all men. Both the man and woman choose to have sex. If the woman gets pregnant, the man has no say in whether she has the baby or not. She can dispose of her own flesh and blood regardless of how the man feels. If she decides to have it, then both should take responsibility, but the woman is in control most of the time.

It's interesting how many women claim not to know who the father is when she applies for aid. I've known some on welfare and they lie about who the father is just so they can get welfare and the state won't go after the father for child support. Often, the father lives with the mother.

Men who abandon children are deadbeats. No doubt. But there are plenty of deadbeat parents who actually live with their children.

As far as birth control, it's not difficult. And it's the individual's responsibility.

Most women on birth control don't need it for a medical condition. And it's cheap. Even with medical insurance, there are deductibles. In fact, thanks to Obamacare, the deductibles are even higher, so chances are you'll be buying your own birth control because it would take a lot to meet the deductible. If you have no deductible, then you're probably subsidized and should easily afford the small price of contraceptives.

There is a lot of whining and demands and some spend more effort on that than they do on just handling things themselves. It's insane that so many feel entitled to this or that and resent having to spend their own money for their own well-being. Health insurance would be so much cheaper if they weren't expected to cover every expense. Should be reserved for catastrophic illness or injury, not routine stuff.

Used to have flex accounts for medical and it was so easy. Thanks to so many regulations now, most don't offer those. Government makes it difficult for people to take care of themselves. It's because they don't want people to take responsibility for their own needs. Government wants dependents and I see they have one in you

I tried to read your post but it's just too filled with so many stereotypes and hate that I couldn't get through it all.

I'll just say this.

You can make excuses all you want until the end of time. It still won't justify or excuse the fact that millions of men make babies and then just walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. It won't excuse the fact that the men in our society don't do one thing to stop it as if they believe it's just fine to walk away from your own flesh and blood.

Then there are the the divorced men who walk away without even any thought to the fact that they had children with their ex wife. They promptly abandon their kids as if they never existed.

If men actually took more of a roll in the raising of children women wouldn't be forced to do it all by themselves.

There is no excuse for any man to walk away from their own flesh and blood. There is no excuse for men to force their own children to grow up not knowing them. Not even a phone call or a birthday card.

No I don't hate men. I've been married to a wonderful man for over 26 years. We've been together for nearly 28 years. A person can't spend that much time with another person if they hate them.

I sure don't respect a lot of men. Men like you, who call women sluts just because they use birth control while trying to justify or excuse men that walk away from their own flesh and blood, are a perfect example of men I don't respect.

What about women like me? I was on the pill for years. My husband and I didn't become parents until we were married for 10 years. Was I slut for using contraception while I was married? Was I a slut to decide with my husband to wait until we were financially secure to have a child so that I could stay home and raise it?

Or was my husband and I being responsible adults?

 

[Dana7360]

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

I resent your statement. I am a man. I will call any man who walks away from his responsibilities a coward or worse. I live in an extremely conservative state. The few people I've met who actually think it is ok for a father to shirk responsibility are definitely NOT conservatives.

The majority view around here is that men and women BOTH should not be having sex at all until they are married, and then only with their spouse. When they do decide to have sex, they absolutely should shoulder the responsibilities that result.

When you have sex and who you have it with is a choice. As you pointed out, men will not die without sex. Funny enough, women will not die without sex either.

I guess you didn't know that the whole nation isn't like where you live. Well it's not. Why do you conservatives project your lives, beliefs, actions and words on everyone else? We aren't all alike.

There are millions of children in America who have never know their father because he walked away from his own flesh and blood. Without even looking back to see what he has done.

You can talk about your views about this but I have yet to see any man or conservative take any action that will stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

No woman forced him to do that. In fact most women want that man to help her and be part of their children's lives. It's the man who makes that decision to turn his back on his own flesh and blood.

Yes women won't die without sex. However women could die without the pill. The pill is used for more than contraception. Ovarian cysts and endometriosis are two conditions that are treated with the pill. A woman can die if a cyst ruptures and she doesn't immediately get proper medical treatment. Women with endometriosis suffer daily from horrible pain. They have iron deficiency and other health problems caused by the endometriosis. Women with heart and kidney problems could die from pregnancy. Women with diabetes could die or go blind from pregnancy. So it's not up to you to decide who can have that pill or not. It's up to the woman and her doctor. You know, the person who spent over a decade in school and residency to learn to be a doctor. I think they know more about the situation with their patients than you do.

 

[Clementine]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

Sounds like you hate all men. Both the man and woman choose to have sex. If the woman gets pregnant, the man has no say in whether she has the baby or not. She can dispose of her own flesh and blood regardless of how the man feels. If she decides to have it, then both should take responsibility, but the woman is in control most of the time.

It's interesting how many women claim not to know who the father is when she applies for aid. I've known some on welfare and they lie about who the father is just so they can get welfare and the state won't go after the father for child support. Often, the father lives with the mother.

Men who abandon children are deadbeats. No doubt. But there are plenty of deadbeat parents who actually live with their children.

As far as birth control, it's not difficult. And it's the individual's responsibility.

Most women on birth control don't need it for a medical condition. And it's cheap. Even with medical insurance, there are deductibles. In fact, thanks to Obamacare, the deductibles are even higher, so chances are you'll be buying your own birth control because it would take a lot to meet the deductible. If you have no deductible, then you're probably subsidized and should easily afford the small price of contraceptives.

There is a lot of whining and demands and some spend more effort on that than they do on just handling things themselves. It's insane that so many feel entitled to this or that and resent having to spend their own money for their own well-being. Health insurance would be so much cheaper if they weren't expected to cover every expense. Should be reserved for catastrophic illness or injury, not routine stuff.

Used to have flex accounts for medical and it was so easy. Thanks to so many regulations now, most don't offer those. Government makes it difficult for people to take care of themselves. It's because they don't want people to take responsibility for their own needs. Government wants dependents and I see they have one in you

I tried to read your post but it's just too filled with so many stereotypes and hate that I couldn't get through it all.

I'll just say this.

You can make excuses all you want until the end of time. It still won't justify or excuse the fact that millions of men make babies and then just walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. It won't excuse the fact that the men in our society don't do one thing to stop it as if they believe it's just fine to walk away from your own flesh and blood.

Then there are the the divorced men who walk away without even any thought to the fact that they had children with their ex wife. They promptly abandon their kids as if they never existed.

If men actually took more of a roll in the raising of children women wouldn't be forced to do it all by themselves.

There is no excuse for any man to walk away from their own flesh and blood. There is no excuse for men to force their own children to grow up not knowing them. Not even a phone call or a birthday card.

No I don't hate men. I've been married to a wonderful man for over 26 years. We've been together for nearly 28 years. A person can't spend that much time with another person if they hate them.

I sure don't respect a lot of men. Men like you, who call women sluts just because they use birth control while trying to justify or excuse men that walk away from their own flesh and blood, are a perfect example of men I don't respect.

What about women like me? I was on the pill for years. My husband and I didn't become parents until we were married for 10 years. Was I slut for using contraception while I was married? Was I a slut to decide with my husband to wait until we were financially secure to have a child so that I could stay home and raise it?

Or was my husband and I being responsible adults?

You should have read my post. It's not filled with hate, but you'd have to read it to know that. You have major issues with men and you sound like a raving maniac.

You clearly have issues with men. Either you or someone you know was abandoned by a man and you need therapy in getting over it because you sound like a broken record.

The issue is insurance paying for birth control. Not all women need them for medical problems and they are cheap and easily obtainable so women can buy them if they choose to do so.

I don't know what deadbeat parents have to do with whether insurance should cover every little thing. It's not denying women rights because someone else doesn't provide something. In fact, one of the big things with women wanting rights was not being kept by a man or anyone else and being independent. Now, suddenly respecting women's rights means doing everything for them like they are a bunch of helpless beings.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I don't see any conservative politicians talking about it or doing anything about it.

Mathbud1 piped in and seconded my position.

Where do you think all the action on this front is coming from? It's principally religious conservatives who want sex to be restricted within marriage, who want men to marry the women they get pregnant.

What you want is a solution but one that comes only on terms you find appealing. It ain't gonna happen that way sister. Liberal men are pansies on this issue, they love freeloading, they're like rabbits. The ones who are seeking to impose controls on men are the conservatives but they're also desiring controls on women.

I know that as a women you want to maximize your own freedom and run away from the consequences of your choices, so you find male-only restrictions to be ideal. Well, the liberal men won't go along with that and the conservative men won't either because it's a bizarre and unbalanced feminist position.

Just saying you would live with consequences of your actions isn't actually doing it.

Sure it is. It solves the problem. Your issue seems to be that it doesn't solve the problem with a lot of socialism and it doesn't pay service to feminist ideals. Too bad.

Nor is it taking action to implement something that will stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. Can you tell me of any actions you've taken to help solve that problem?

I vote for Republicans. I donate to a charity which sterilizes male and female drug addicts in exchange for cash payments. I oppose feminism where ever I can spot it. I support restrictions of females expressing their sexuality. I publicly humiliate dead bat dads.

A solution isn't the same thing as a good solution that lasts for a lifetime.

Exactly right. The solution lies with women exercising better judgment about the men they have sex with. The exciting guy doesn't turn out to be that great of a dad.

Making divorce harder isn't the answer.

Absolutely it is. When the stakes get higher, the decisions become more serious. Look at how previous generations of women treated sex when both abortion was uncommon and before birth control pills were invented. Men faced a far higher barrier to premarital sex. Women were choosier and they judged by different criteria because they knew that if they became pregnant this man would likely be her husband. Are there any women left who think like that when they're young and single?

Especially when there's violence involved.

Women should be more selective about their mate choices.

As there is in so many situations. Forcing people to marry just because someone is pregnant isn't a good solution. Forcing children to grow up in a war zone between their parents is child abuse as far as I'm concerned

Forcing ME TO PAY so that a woman can escape her husband is like forcing me into slavery as far as I'm concerned.

The problem isn't just women. The problem is men. They walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. Or in the case of divorce, they just walk away as if their children never existed

I have to note that much of your argument is based on an imaginary world. We have laws and a court system. A single mother can always take a man to court, provide child's DNA to prove that the man is the father and win a child support case. This is pretty damn cut and dried and millions of men are ensnared in that system. You're pretending that court-ordered child support doesn't exist.

In the case of divorce, over 80% of cases are initiated by women who can't stay committed to their marriage vows. If there is a problem with divorced men not honoring their child support obligations, women can take their ex-husbands to court but we should all understand that many of these men had their families ripped out of their lives by ex-wives who no longer wanted to honor their marital vows. Women's actions comes with consequences. In this entire exchange you haven't given women agency at all.: Men have to pay for your birth control pills, men have to pay for your children, women get to walk away from their marriage and take the children with them and their ex-husbands have to continue to pay. Women have a role to play too. Own up to that responsibility. Be independent, stand on your own two feet, take the consequences which arise from your choices.

Women don't get pregnant by themselves. It takes two. Only in our society it's perfectly fine for the men to just walk away from their own flesh and blood without looking back to see what they've done. While at the same time call women sluts and whores.

You really like playing the victim. Look, women are the gatekeepers to sex. They have final say. Yes or no is their choice. Plenty of men don't walk away from their responsibility, but many women are not attracted to such men, they prefer the Cads. That's not the fault of men, that's the fault of the individual women who are choosing who they'll have sex with. I don't think most single women judge a man that they want to have sex with by criteria which evaluates him as husband material or dad material. "Oh, he would look good in a cardigan sweater, smoking a pipe, and lecture Beaver that it's wrong to dip Sally's hair in the inkwell. Phew, I'm all hot thinking about him like that." Yeah right.

No one is taking money from you for contraceptives. Women pay their premiums, deductibles and co payments just like men do. If men can have their viagra and penis pumps covered, women can have their contraceptives covered.

No they can't. They can have their hormone replacement therapy covered. Birth control pills are the female equivalent of condoms.

You don't have to agree with it. You don't have to like it. You do have to accept it.

Nope, don't have to, we can keep fighting it and get them removed from the plans. Surely you're not naive enough to think reform moves in only one direction?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Government makes it difficult for people to take care of themselves. It's because they don't want people to take responsibility for their own needs. Government wants dependents and I see they have one in you

Nonsense.

Your inane perception of 'the government' as some sort of 'malevolent entity' is ridiculous, unfounded, and delusional.

 

[Rikurzhen]

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

I resent your statement. I am a man. I will call any man who walks away from his responsibilities a coward or worse. I live in an extremely conservative state. The few people I've met who actually think it is ok for a father to shirk responsibility are definitely NOT conservatives.

The majority view around here is that men and women BOTH should not be having sex at all until they are married, and then only with their spouse. When they do decide to have sex, they absolutely should shoulder the responsibilities that result.

When you have sex and who you have it with is a choice. As you pointed out, men will not die without sex. Funny enough, women will not die without sex either.

I guess you didn't know that the whole nation isn't like where you live. Well it's not. Why do you conservatives project your lives, beliefs, actions and words on everyone else? We aren't all alike.

Your statement is freaking priceless. Mathbud is telling you that he lives in a culture and area where men do take responsibility. He lives in a conservative area. Your problem is that you apparently live in a liberal area. The problem lies with the culture that YOU'RE fostering, it's not Mathbud's problem.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Contraception is cheap and health insurance shouldn't have to cover every tiny thing. Your doctor visit to get the exam and contraceptive prescription is covered. Buy it yourself and shut up. $4 for many at Walmart. Get real.

Fine, then also make men pay for Viagra, penis pumps, and other erectile dysfunction items. Be equal about it.

I wish I could get health care that DID NOT cover any of that...but I cannot. Serious question: how much of it (in addition to the mountain of other crap I will never use) is required under Obaamacare?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Birth control pills are the female equivalent of condoms.

Absolutely false. BC pills are used for many things beyond birth control.

 

[hadit]

Contraception is cheap and health insurance shouldn't have to cover every tiny thing. Your doctor visit to get the exam and contraceptive prescription is covered. Buy it yourself and shut up. $4 for many at Walmart. Get real.

Fine, then also make men pay for Viagra, penis pumps, and other erectile dysfunction items. Be equal about it.

Sure, no problem with that. If an insurance company wants to subsidize those things, fine. Just don't use the law to force them to do it.

 

[hadit]

The Republican war on women is real and well documented.

Sure, I can get a bunch of people to complain about the democrat war on women as well. Doesn't mean it's factual. Bottom line, the "war on women" is about abortion, first and last. That's it.

 

[hadit]

The men are being masculine and macho when they make a baby then turn their backs and walk away from their own flesh and blood without even looking back to see what they've done. That's just fine and dandy with the conservatives. Notice no male gets chastised for making a woman pregnant then walk away from his own flesh and blood. We don't hear men talking about that or doing anything about it.

I have absolutely no problem with bringing back shotgun weddings, you know, a way of holding men responsible.

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

I see no one castigating women for using contraception. As for men who walk away from their offspring, contempt is the nicest term. Now, the flip side of that argument is that men totally lose their reproductive freedom the moment a woman gets pregnant. She can deny him fatherhood or force it on him, and he can't do anything about either. There has to be a middle ground, and if you argue that the child's needs are paramount, why are they only important after birth?

 

[Mathbud1]

I've never seen any threads or any posts by any man condemning men who make a child and then walk away from their own flesh and blood.

It's easy for you to say you support shot gun weddings. I don't see you doing anything to stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

Shot gun weddings aren't the solution. All they do is cause divorce.

The solution is for our society to not accept men who walk away from their own flesh and blood. For our society to make sure all men not just financially support their kids but emotionally and mentally too. Spend time with them. Read to them. Show them love, trust and security.

Until that's happening men have no right to say one word about women who are responsible to make sure they don't have a child who doesn't know their father, by using contraception.

Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. The inaction of men to deal with that problem shows men don't give a damn about children. If they did, no man would ever walk away from their own flesh and blood.

I resent your statement. I am a man. I will call any man who walks away from his responsibilities a coward or worse. I live in an extremely conservative state. The few people I've met who actually think it is ok for a father to shirk responsibility are definitely NOT conservatives.

The majority view around here is that men and women BOTH should not be having sex at all until they are married, and then only with their spouse. When they do decide to have sex, they absolutely should shoulder the responsibilities that result.

When you have sex and who you have it with is a choice. As you pointed out, men will not die without sex. Funny enough, women will not die without sex either.

I guess you didn't know that the whole nation isn't like where you live. Well it's not. Why do you conservatives project your lives, beliefs, actions and words on everyone else? We aren't all alike.

There are millions of children in America who have never know their father because he walked away from his own flesh and blood. Without even looking back to see what he has done.

You can talk about your views about this but I have yet to see any man or conservative take any action that will stop men from walking away from their own flesh and blood.

No woman forced him to do that. In fact most women want that man to help her and be part of their children's lives. It's the man who makes that decision to turn his back on his own flesh and blood.

Yes women won't die without sex. However women could die without the pill. The pill is used for more than contraception. Ovarian cysts and endometriosis are two conditions that are treated with the pill. A woman can die if a cyst ruptures and she doesn't immediately get proper medical treatment. Women with endometriosis suffer daily from horrible pain. They have iron deficiency and other health problems caused by the endometriosis. Women with heart and kidney problems could die from pregnancy. Women with diabetes could die or go blind from pregnancy. So it's not up to you to decide who can have that pill or not. It's up to the woman and her doctor. You know, the person who spent over a decade in school and residency to learn to be a doctor. I think they know more about the situation with their patients than you do.

You broad-brush condemned all conservatives. I disputed your claim. I guess you didn't know that not all conservatives are ok with deadbeat dads. In my experience few conservatives are.

Nobody here, that I have seen, is pushing the idea that women should not have access to birth control. I think I speak for most conservatives when I say that I would rather see a girl on birth control than see her get an abortion. Ideally I would rather see her wait until she was married before having sex, but if she does want to have sex she should be using birth control. I hold men to the same standard. I think any man who has sex with a woman he is not married to without a rubber on is a fool. I don't care if she says she's on birth control or not.

What I have seen from most conservatives is the idea that people should be paying for their own birth control. Employers who provide insurance typically pay a portion of the premiums. In many cases they pay a larger portion of the premium than the employee. Some number of other plans are now subsidized by uncle Sam. That's a lot of other people paying for the insurance that is buying these contraceptives. Saying they are paying their premiums so they are paying for it doesn't hold water unless they are paying most or all of their own premiums.

If you need birth control for some medical reason beyond preventing pregnancy, insurance should absolutely cover it. If pregnancy prevention is the only aim, there is a more effective cheaper method that won't cost you a penny: not having sex. If you want the pleasure of the non-necessary act of having sex and don't want to get preggers, buy some pills with your own cash.

If I don't like something, I DON'T have to accept it. I am perfectly at liberty to try to get that thing changed.