74 miles of wall, $1.6 billion

[frigidweirdo]

The politicians have walls. Let's build one for the people...

But perhaps they have a wall because IT DOES SOMETHING.

 

[Norman]

Obama spent 800 billion on his stimulus mostly consisting of infrastructure. You didn't have one complaint.

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

I didn't have one complaint? Really? Do you know me that well that you know I didn't have one complaint?

I think this is the third time in two days people have told me what I think, and the third time they're wrong.

Productive spending? Really?

The wall will pay itself back very quickly. Illegals use a lot of welfare...

HAve you read ANYTHING I've written?

Yes, it's all "LOOK HERE, I HAVE A OTHER UNRELATED PROBLEM". Completely irrelevant. The wall is one of the soundest infrastructure investments in the history of America. It's almost criminal that no one thought of it before. They were probably afraid of being labelled racists. But past are those times, now we have someone with balls, finally.

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Ah, the leftist fight against the poor continues. I prefer to call the "so-called" illegals, just illegals, because that is what they are.

I hope you're not too "offended' since most native Americans would call YOU an illegal prick. LOL

I was born here, by parents who were born here, by their parents that were born here etc.

Why do I care what some Indian thinks?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

I'll take the wall any day.

will you also "take" the tunnels UNDER the wall???........LOL

And the ladders OVER the wall?

Or, how about either end of that very short wall?

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[Luddly Neddite]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

So you're saying it's coming in well under the original budget of 100 billion. ******* Trump really is good at this stuff.

Joke, right?

No, actually he's not all that good at this stuff. His original quote was a few million.

Ya wanna know why his numbers were way toooo low for soooo long?

Because he builds really shoddy buildings and uses only sub-quality materials from ANY country EXCEPT the US.

Remember when we learned he buys all steel from China? And remember that he has ALL his trump shit made in ANY country EXCEPT the US. And, he hires illegals, undocumented and foreign workers.

The fact that he ALWAYS screws over the US worker is why you hotbed for him.

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[frigidweirdo]

I didn't have one complaint? Really? Do you know me that well that you know I didn't have one complaint?

I think this is the third time in two days people have told me what I think, and the third time they're wrong.

Productive spending? Really?

The wall will pay itself back very quickly. Illegals use a lot of welfare...

HAve you read ANYTHING I've written?

Yes, it's all "LOOK HERE, I HAVE A OTHER UNRELATED PROBLEM". Completely irrelevant. The wall is one of the soundest infrastructure investments in the history of America. It's almost criminal that no one thought of it before. They were probably afraid of being labelled racists. But past are those times, now we have someone with balls, finally.

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

 

[Norman]

The wall will pay itself back very quickly. Illegals use a lot of welfare...

HAve you read ANYTHING I've written?

Yes, it's all "LOOK HERE, I HAVE A OTHER UNRELATED PROBLEM". Completely irrelevant. The wall is one of the soundest infrastructure investments in the history of America. It's almost criminal that no one thought of it before. They were probably afraid of being labelled racists. But past are those times, now we have someone with balls, finally.

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

 

[frigidweirdo]

HAve you read ANYTHING I've written?

Yes, it's all "LOOK HERE, I HAVE A OTHER UNRELATED PROBLEM". Completely irrelevant. The wall is one of the soundest infrastructure investments in the history of America. It's almost criminal that no one thought of it before. They were probably afraid of being labelled racists. But past are those times, now we have someone with balls, finally.

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

 

[Norman]

Yes, it's all "LOOK HERE, I HAVE A OTHER UNRELATED PROBLEM". Completely irrelevant. The wall is one of the soundest infrastructure investments in the history of America. It's almost criminal that no one thought of it before. They were probably afraid of being labelled racists. But past are those times, now we have someone with balls, finally.

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

So you're saying it's coming in well under the original budget of 100 billion. ******* Trump really is good at this stuff.

Joke, right?

No, actually he's not all that good at this stuff. His original quote was a few million.

Ya wanna know why his numbers were way toooo low for soooo long?

Because he builds really shoddy buildings and uses only sub-quality materials from ANY country EXCEPT the US.

Remember when we learned he buys all steel from China? And remember that he has ALL his trump shit made in ANY country EXCEPT the US. And, he hires illegals, undocumented and foreign workers.

The fact that he ALWAYS screws over the US worker is why you hotbed for him.

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He never said a few million.

Did you ever consider making steel here would be a good thing so we don't have to get it from China?

You can't build much with materials from here because the left killed those industries.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

So why are you against the wall ?



.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Completely not true. It's wasting money on a project that doesn't need to be built, doesn't do the job effectively, and is only there to keep people like you happy.

No one thought of it before because no one has ever got into office before who decided to pander to the alt-right and their desire for pointless nonsense that they can use to dance around the camp fire singing "we won, kill the libtards".

Your argument seems to be "it's good", and nothing much to back it up with.

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

It's kind of funny how he says your pulling shit out of your ass then says you're being insulting and wants to end the conversation. Actually it's not funny. It's typical of the left.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

So why are you against the wall ?



.

I'm sure it's racist or some stupid thing. You know how these people are.

 

[Norman]

You don't get to pull what is true and isn't true out of your ass, got it? It is absolutely true that the illegals are using a lot of welfare and reducing American wages. If you don't want to believe that - then your inability to accept facts is the issue, nothing else.

It's equally true that many of these illegals are crossing the border, you already admitted as much. So what's your next distraction?

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

It's kind of funny how he says your pulling shit out of your ass then says you're being insulting and wants to end the conversation. Actually it's not funny. It's typical of the left.

After insulting me he complains I insulted him.

If someone insults me, he will get at least twice the amount of insults back.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

It's kind of funny how he says your pulling shit out of your ass then says you're being insulting and wants to end the conversation. Actually it's not funny. It's typical of the left.

After insulting me he complains I insulted him.

If someone insults me, he will get at least twice the amount of insults back.

That's how these people try to end conversation. They can't refute the substance.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Okay, if it's absolutely true, I want to see the evidence that it's absolutely true. You're just saying stuff, as you put it "pulling it out of your ass".

I mean, if it's so true, it's not going to be very difficult for you to show.

Also, you haven't shown that the wall will stop illegal immigration.

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

It's kind of funny how he says your pulling shit out of your ass then says you're being insulting and wants to end the conversation. Actually it's not funny. It's typical of the left.

After insulting me he complains I insulted him.

If someone insults me, he will get at least twice the amount of insults back.

So.... where's the insult I gave you?

 

[g5000]

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion.

Grappling hook: $35

 

[AsianTrumpSupporter]

Money well spent unless you want to turn America into this:

The US can’t ignore the journalists murdered in Mexico

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Saying things out of my ass?

No that's not what I am doing. I have actual sources you moron.

Here you go:

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Walls have worked every-time they have been tried. Do you have any reasons as to why the wall wouldn't work this time? People just magically learn to fly, is that it?

I asked you for evidence. You resort to insults. This conversation is over.

No, I provided the evidence. Now, only part that remains is accepting the facts.

It's kind of funny how he says your pulling shit out of your ass then says you're being insulting and wants to end the conversation. Actually it's not funny. It's typical of the left.

After insulting me he complains I insulted him.

If someone insults me, he will get at least twice the amount of insults back.

So.... where's the insult I gave you?

The worst may be you're inability to even recognize when you're being a dick.

 

[g5000]

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

Trump says illegal immigration costs $113 billion a year

Statistical Hot Air: FAIR’s USA Report Lacks Credibility