74 miles of wall, $1.6 billion

[frigidweirdo]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

 

[Preacher]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

 

[nat4900]

I'll take the wall any day.

will you also "take" the tunnels UNDER the wall???........LOL

 

[Preacher]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

 

[Correll]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

If it costs 1.6 dollars per 74 miles, would you support it?

 

[nat4900]

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

If the government charges the right wing tourists to come and see the Trump Wall, the whole enterprise could easily be paid for.,,,,,,(Win-Win?) ........LOL

 

[Norman]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Obama spent 800 billion on his stimulus mostly consisting of infrastructure. You didn't have one complaint.

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Obama spent 800 billion on his stimulus mostly consisting of infrastructure. You didn't have one complaint.

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

I didn't have one complaint? Really? Do you know me that well that you know I didn't have one complaint?

I think this is the third time in two days people have told me what I think, and the third time they're wrong.

Productive spending? Really?

 

[Norman]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

Erm, are you kidding?

All of them? That's kind of the definition of an illegal immigrant.

Wait, am I talking to a far left regressive who believes there are no borders and everyone is a legal citizen of the world?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

So you're saying it's coming in well under the original budget of 100 billion. ******* Trump really is good at this stuff.

 

[Correll]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

Of those here now? Over half.


NOt an overwhelming majority, but certainly majority.


WHy do you ask?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

Erm, are you kidding?

All of them? That's kind of the definition of an illegal immigrant.

Wait, am I talking to a far left regressive who believes there are no borders and everyone is a legal citizen of the world?

The definition of illegal immigrant is someone who is in the country illegally. You can enter the country legally, then overstay your visa. Jeez. I even put that in a previous post.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year


"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

Umm, all of them? Are you confused about legal and illegal again?

 

[nat4900]

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

True.....

Minneapolis doesn't need infrastructure spending

Or in Florida

or in Texas

 

[PredFan]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

It will save at least twice that by stopping illegal aliens.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Vs

There are approximately 3.7 million unlawful immigrant households in the U.S. These households impose a net fiscal burden of around $54.5 billion per year.

The Fiscal Cost of Unlawful Immigrants and Amnesty to the U.S. Taxpayer


This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers (2013)

I'll take the wall any day.

But the wall doesn't stop these immigrants necessarily getting into the country.

Demographics of Immigrants in the United States Illegally - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org

59% of illegal immigrants are from Mexico. That's 6.7 million. 1.17 million come from Asia. They are not going to be stopped by any wall. 1.78 are from Central and South America, I'd also assume those from South America are not going to be stopped by a wall. How did they get into the country? Probably by airplane. Walls don't stop airplane unless you build them high enough.

https://www.quora.com/How-do-illegal-immigrants-enter-the-US

"Here in Miami, many come with legitimate visas and overstay. This is a relatively well known, "

"Many that come just overstay their visas. "

"Contrary to the popular image, about 40% actually come by air, enter with student or tourist visas which they over-stay."

This is the problem. What does the wall actually do?

Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate

An article from May 2015. Yes, before Trump got in claiming to have changed everything instantly.

"Fewer immigrants are entering the U.S. illegally, and that’s changed the border security debate"

"
Monica Camacho-Perez came to the United States from Mexico as a child, crossing into Arizona with her mother in the same spot where her father made the trip before them. “Nobody stopped us,’’ Camacho-Perez, now 20, said of her 2002 journey.

Three years ago, her uncle tried to cross the border and join the family in Baltimore, where they remain illegal immigrants. He was stopped three times by the U.S. Border Patrol and jailed for 50 days.

“He doesn’t want to try anymore,” said Camacho-Perez. “Now, it’s really hard.”"

Why does the US need this wall? Well, it doesn't. So this isn't $41 billion that's going to stop the US govt from spending $54 billion. It's $41 billion that will do relatively little.

Actually it does stop them. When you can't climb the wall or get under it then you give up. It won't stop ALL but will stop majority and its better to have a wall than to just allow them to walk right on in.

The majority? Really?

How many of those who end up becoming illegal immigrants, cross the border illegally in the first place?

Erm, are you kidding?

All of them? That's kind of the definition of an illegal immigrant.

Wait, am I talking to a far left regressive who believes there are no borders and everyone is a legal citizen of the world?

The definition of illegal immigrant is someone who is in the country illegally. You can enter the country legally, then overstay your visa. Jeez. I even put that in a previous post.

So that changes their status how?

 

[Norman]

Border Wall Construction Will Cost $1.6 Billion for Work to Start Next Year

"As part of their annual budget, the agency requested $1.6 billion for 32 miles of new border wall system and 28 miles of new levee wall in the Rio Grande Valley, on the eastern side of the border, as well as 14 miles of secondary border wall system in the San Diego sector, on the western side. "

Okay, so, 1,933 miles, at $1.6 billion per every 74 miles of wall = $41 billion. For a wall. And that doesn't include upkeep costs.

Obama spent 800 billion on his stimulus mostly consisting of infrastructure. You didn't have one complaint.

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

I didn't have one complaint? Really? Do you know me that well that you know I didn't have one complaint?

I think this is the third time in two days people have told me what I think, and the third time they're wrong.

Productive spending? Really?

The wall will pay itself back very quickly. Illegals use a lot of welfare...

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I think we can afford the great wall... take it as a stimulus for the economy. At least it's actually needed and productive spending.

True.....

Minneapolis doesn't need infrastructure spending

Or in Florida

or in Texas

Well shit, we got roads that need fixed. How does letting illegals come here help that?