72% of Americans support government run healthcare

[Zook]

Im against Gov run health care. I don't remember the constitution giving the government the right to run any sort of health care program. If it is not givin that right in the constitution it should not do it.

 

[Barb]

I bet that 99% of the people polled in this survey voted for Obama.

Maybe, but I've been thinking about all the resistance to this, and it occurred to me that with a public option, people would be free to take varied part time jobs,a little something here, a little something there that might lead to something better, without having to worry about having to keep the crappy miserable job as full time because that provided the questionable (doesn't cover shit, can't afford the co-pays) bennies. I wondered why so many were against a bill that would free many employers from the burden until I figured out it will free millions from servitude to keep their kids insured. People won't ONLY have options in health care coverage, they will have options in employment they didn't have before because the risk of losing those iffy and increasingly costly "benefits" they hung onto dead end jobs for have alternatives.

 

[Meister]

I bet that 99% of the people polled in this survey voted for Obama.

Maybe, but I've been thinking about all the resistance to this, and it occurred to me that with a public option, people would be free to take varied part time jobs,a little something here, a little something there that might lead to something better, without having to worry about having to keep the crappy miserable job as full time because that provided the questionable (doesn't cover shit, can't afford the co-pays) bennies. I wondered why so many were against a bill that would free many employers from the burden until I figured out it will free millions from servitude to keep their kids insured. People won't ONLY have options in health care coverage, they will have options in employment they didn't have before because the risk of losing those iffy and increasingly costly "benefits" they hung onto dead end jobs for have alternatives.

What??? Would you pour me one of those drinks your having.

 

[Nik]

Of course your brilliant....here is how you want to receive your health care. Do you think there is any possibility that you will receive anything other than long waits and rationed care?


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/JEC Health Chart.pdf

Those are bogus scare tactics. I don't let the insurance company sponsored media form my opinions.

But to answer your question..no.

Here is a truth you might consider...who or what stands to gain the most from a for profit health care system? Those who seek profit?...or the patient? It is really that simple. If I am sick or injured or if YOU are sick or injured..I don't want any part of the criteria for yours or my treatment to be wether or not someone can make a profit.

Actually how free market health care works, is an insurance company provides coverage and the consumer pays a premium. So both are winners....

Except the people who can't afford the premiums.

And the people who are underinsured.

And the people who the insurance companies try to screw over by saying that x or y lifesaving treatment isn't covered.

And the people with pre-existing conditions.

But you know, besides all those people, its great. The people who never need healthcare have a great relationship with their insurance company.

 

[Nik]

Of course your brilliant....here is how you want to receive your health care. Do you think there is any possibility that you will receive anything other than long waits and rationed care?


http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/MSNBC/Sections/NEWS/A_Politics/JEC Health Chart.pdf

Yes.

What exactly does you posting a chart have to do with anything?

That chart is how your health care would be delivered under the democratic proposal for health care reform. If you enjoy beaucratic red tape and having big brother decide how lives and dies then you should support it.......


I would rather make my own health care decisions.

You don't make your own. Your employer and your insurance company do.

 

[Nik]

The govt of the 60's that sent a man to the moon was a lot more capable then the nitwits us morons have all voted in since then.

I know, which is why they just shut down the space program and its all defunct now, right?....

Oh wait....

Getting treatment shouldn't require the help of a rocket scientist though....

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

 

[Barb]

I bet that 99% of the people polled in this survey voted for Obama.

Maybe, but I've been thinking about all the resistance to this, and it occurred to me that with a public option, people would be free to take varied part time jobs,a little something here, a little something there that might lead to something better, without having to worry about having to keep the crappy miserable job as full time because that provided the questionable (doesn't cover shit, can't afford the co-pays) bennies. I wondered why so many were against a bill that would free many employers from the burden until I figured out it will free millions from servitude to keep their kids insured. People won't ONLY have options in health care coverage, they will have options in employment they didn't have before because the risk of losing those iffy and increasingly costly "benefits" they hung onto dead end jobs for have alternatives.

What??? Would you pour me one of those drinks your having.

I'm sorry, do I have to dumb it down for you? There are risks people don't take under our current system that they will be free to take once health care is no longer (solely) provided for under full time employment or affordable because of independent wealth. People can take a couple or several part time jobs, or even an internship (currently an option only feasible for dependent children, the already independently wealthy, or those with no responsibility beyond themselves) and another part time position, and still afford health insurance for their family. What part of that is hard to comprehend?

 

[jreeves]

I know, which is why they just shut down the space program and its all defunct now, right?....

Oh wait....

Getting treatment shouldn't require the help of a rocket scientist though....

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

 

[jreeves]

Getting treatment shouldn't require the help of a rocket scientist though....

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

But since you brought up Medicare...
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning : NPR
The Medicare health program's annual financial report reveals a system that is healthy at the moment, but has a bleak long-term prognosis.

The report, released Monday, is sure to touch off a political firestorm due to recent actions that compel the federal government to address the problem.

At the moment the trust fund that pays for hospital and nursing home care has enough money to last until the year 2019. That's a year longer than last year's projection.

Still, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt sees a problem.

"This year's spending has triggered ... for the very first time, a Medicare funding warning," Leavitt said.

That "warning" is part of a mechanism created in 2003 by congressional Republicans. They wanted a way to keep closer tabs on the portion of Medicare that's funded by general taxes and Medicare premiums. Known as "Part B," it covers doctor visits and other outpatient care. (Other funding for Medicare comes from payroll taxes.)

The warning is triggered when, for two years in a row, Part B — and other Medicare funding from general revenues — are expected to exceed 45 percent of total Medicare spending within seven years. This year is the second year that has happened.
AMNews: May 25, 2009. Medicare trustees present dire outlook on program's finances ... American Medical News
Medicare's hospital trust fund could be out of money in less than a decade, and outpatient spending threatens to consume an even larger portion of the gross domestic product, according to those overseeing the program's finances.

 

[Nik]

Getting treatment shouldn't require the help of a rocket scientist though....

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

Hmm. The government program that often has heavy involvement by private insurance companies is doing much poorer than the government program that has little involvement by private insurance companies.

Gee. I wonder why?

 

[Nik]

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

But since you brought up Medicare...
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning : NPR
The Medicare health program's annual financial report reveals a system that is healthy at the moment, but has a bleak long-term prognosis.

The report, released Monday, is sure to touch off a political firestorm due to recent actions that compel the federal government to address the problem.

At the moment the trust fund that pays for hospital and nursing home care has enough money to last until the year 2019. That's a year longer than last year's projection.

Still, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt sees a problem.

"This year's spending has triggered ... for the very first time, a Medicare funding warning," Leavitt said.

That "warning" is part of a mechanism created in 2003 by congressional Republicans. They wanted a way to keep closer tabs on the portion of Medicare that's funded by general taxes and Medicare premiums. Known as "Part B," it covers doctor visits and other outpatient care. (Other funding for Medicare comes from payroll taxes.)

The warning is triggered when, for two years in a row, Part B — and other Medicare funding from general revenues — are expected to exceed 45 percent of total Medicare spending within seven years. This year is the second year that has happened.
AMNews: May 25, 2009. Medicare trustees present dire outlook on program's finances ... American Medical News
Medicare's hospital trust fund could be out of money in less than a decade, and outpatient spending threatens to consume an even larger portion of the gross domestic product, according to those overseeing the program's finances.

And? Healthcare is expensive. Medicare is affordable and efficient, but you still have to actually pay for it.

 

[jreeves]

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

But since you brought up Medicare...
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning : NPR
The Medicare health program's annual financial report reveals a system that is healthy at the moment, but has a bleak long-term prognosis.

The report, released Monday, is sure to touch off a political firestorm due to recent actions that compel the federal government to address the problem.

At the moment the trust fund that pays for hospital and nursing home care has enough money to last until the year 2019. That's a year longer than last year's projection.

Still, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt sees a problem.

"This year's spending has triggered ... for the very first time, a Medicare funding warning," Leavitt said.

That "warning" is part of a mechanism created in 2003 by congressional Republicans. They wanted a way to keep closer tabs on the portion of Medicare that's funded by general taxes and Medicare premiums. Known as "Part B," it covers doctor visits and other outpatient care. (Other funding for Medicare comes from payroll taxes.)

The warning is triggered when, for two years in a row, Part B — and other Medicare funding from general revenues — are expected to exceed 45 percent of total Medicare spending within seven years. This year is the second year that has happened.
AMNews: May 25, 2009. Medicare trustees present dire outlook on program's finances ... American Medical News
Medicare's hospital trust fund could be out of money in less than a decade, and outpatient spending threatens to consume an even larger portion of the gross domestic product, according to those overseeing the program's finances.

And? Healthcare is expensive. Medicare is affordable and efficient, but you still have to actually pay for it.

And...you just contradicted yourself

 

[jreeves]

And it doesn't. Treatment is affordable and efficient. Its called Medicare.

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

Hmm. The government program that often has heavy involvement by private insurance companies is doing much poorer than the government program that has little involvement by private insurance companies.

Gee. I wonder why?

Yes, I'm sure the government will be able to run health insurance much better....just look at SS, the federal government in general, the Postal Service, Medicare, Medicaid, the Stimulus payments.....etc....

 

[Nik]

But since you brought up Medicare...
Medicare Money Problems Trigger Warning : NPR
The Medicare health program's annual financial report reveals a system that is healthy at the moment, but has a bleak long-term prognosis.

The report, released Monday, is sure to touch off a political firestorm due to recent actions that compel the federal government to address the problem.

At the moment the trust fund that pays for hospital and nursing home care has enough money to last until the year 2019. That's a year longer than last year's projection.

Still, Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt sees a problem.

"This year's spending has triggered ... for the very first time, a Medicare funding warning," Leavitt said.

That "warning" is part of a mechanism created in 2003 by congressional Republicans. They wanted a way to keep closer tabs on the portion of Medicare that's funded by general taxes and Medicare premiums. Known as "Part B," it covers doctor visits and other outpatient care. (Other funding for Medicare comes from payroll taxes.)

The warning is triggered when, for two years in a row, Part B — and other Medicare funding from general revenues — are expected to exceed 45 percent of total Medicare spending within seven years. This year is the second year that has happened.
AMNews: May 25, 2009. Medicare trustees present dire outlook on program's finances ... American Medical News
Medicare's hospital trust fund could be out of money in less than a decade, and outpatient spending threatens to consume an even larger portion of the gross domestic product, according to those overseeing the program's finances.

And? Healthcare is expensive. Medicare is affordable and efficient, but you still have to actually pay for it.

And...you just contradicted yourself

Incorrect. Everything is relative, my dear. All healthcare will be expensive. But as far as healthcare goes, Medicare is affordable.

 

[jreeves]

And? Healthcare is expensive. Medicare is affordable and efficient, but you still have to actually pay for it.

And...you just contradicted yourself

Incorrect. Everything is relative, my dear. All healthcare will be expensive. But as far as healthcare goes, Medicare is affordable.

Which is why we should provide 10 million non-Americans with government coverage right?

 

[Nik]

I was thinking Medicaid....

http://www.texaspolicy.com/pdf/2003-12-veritas-egert.pdf
M edicaid continues to drive state budgets
across the country. As state revenues have
declined, Medicaid costs per enrollee have almost
doubled in the last five years.1 Largely as a result,
the National Governors Association reported in
November 2002 that “nearly every state is in a
fiscal crisis.”2 Nationally, Medicaid and other
health care services comprise 30% of state
budgets, and these costs increased by 13% in 2002,
which was the largest increase in a decade.3
“Growth in Medicaid continues to put a severe
strain on state budgets,” and 28 states anticipate
shortfalls in Medicaid spending for the current
fiscal year.4
Texas is no exception to these trends. Without
reform, Medicaid threatens to consume an ever
increasing share of the state budget, potentially
jeopardizing every other budgetary item. Some
predict that left unreformed, Medicaid will
bankrupt every state in as little as 20 years.5

Hmm. The government program that often has heavy involvement by private insurance companies is doing much poorer than the government program that has little involvement by private insurance companies.

Gee. I wonder why?

Yes, I'm sure the government will be able to run health insurance much better....just look at SS, the federal government in general, the Postal Service, Medicare, Medicaid, the Stimulus payments.....etc....

The government IS ALREADY RUNNING HEALTH INSURANCE WELL. Nobody with a brain in their head thinks that Medicare failed.

Medicaid isn't run by the feds, genius.

As for the US Postal Service....

U.S. Postal Service 1st-quarter profit $672 mln

U.S. Postal Service 1st-quarter profit $672 mln | Reuters

You on crack, son? You really want to cite one of the more profitable and best run federal agencies as evidence that its a failure?

 

[Nik]

And...you just contradicted yourself

Incorrect. Everything is relative, my dear. All healthcare will be expensive. But as far as healthcare goes, Medicare is affordable.

Which is why we should provide 10 million non-Americans with government coverage right?

Wtf? Nice non-sequiter. How bout you focus on healthcare instead of trying to turn this into an illegal alien discussion.

 

[jreeves]

Incorrect. Everything is relative, my dear. All healthcare will be expensive. But as far as healthcare goes, Medicare is affordable.

Which is why we should provide 10 million non-Americans with government coverage right?

Wtf? Nice non-sequiter. How bout you focus on healthcare instead of trying to turn this into an illegal alien discussion.

Did I say illegals, No I didn't, I said non-Americans.

 

[Nik]

Which is why we should provide 10 million non-Americans with government coverage right?

Wtf? Nice non-sequiter. How bout you focus on healthcare instead of trying to turn this into an illegal alien discussion.

Did I say illegals, No I didn't, I said non-Americans.

Then explain what the **** you are trying to say clearly, as opposed to just pretending you know what I think.

 

[jreeves]

Hmm. The government program that often has heavy involvement by private insurance companies is doing much poorer than the government program that has little involvement by private insurance companies.

Gee. I wonder why?

Yes, I'm sure the government will be able to run health insurance much better....just look at SS, the federal government in general, the Postal Service, Medicare, Medicaid, the Stimulus payments.....etc....

The government IS ALREADY RUNNING HEALTH INSURANCE WELL. Nobody with a brain in their head thinks that Medicare failed.

Medicaid isn't run by the feds, genius.

As for the US Postal Service....

U.S. Postal Service 1st-quarter profit $672 mln

U.S. Postal Service 1st-quarter profit $672 mln | Reuters

You on crack, son? You really want to cite one of the more profitable and best run federal agencies as evidence that its a failure?

States run Medicaid but they must meet federal guidelines to receive matching federal funds. Therefore Medicaid is run by the feds...
Medicaid - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Unlike Medicare, which is solely a federal program, Medicaid is a joint federal-state program. Each state operates its own Medicaid system, but this system must conform to federal guidelines in order for the state to receive matching funds and grants. The federal matching formula is different from state to state, depending on each state's poverty level. The wealthiest states only receive a federal match of 50% while poorer states receive a larger match.

Medicaid funding has become a major budgetary issue for many states over the last few years, with states, on average, spending 16.8% of state general funds on the program. If the federal match expenditure is also counted, the program, on average, takes up 22% of each state's budget.[15]