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health care costs and health care benefits to their retirees is what have come back to bite the companies with unions in the butt....when the companies AGREED with the union to give these benefits INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A RAISE in salary decades ago, probably made a bad decision looking back on it....but to blame unions for what the companies sat at a bargaining table on and came to the agreement on...could be a little short sited and partisan skewed imo.
health care costs and health care benefits to their retirees is what have come back to bite the companies with unions in the butt....when the companies AGREED with the union to give these benefits INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A RAISE in salary decades ago, probably made a bad decision looking back on it....but to blame unions for what the companies sat at a bargaining table on and came to the agreement on...could be a little short sited and partisan skewed imo.
You can't blame this on healthcare when your paying someone 95% of their salary to sit at home on their fat beer drinking ass and watch Oprah for years on end.
That just doesn't fly. Sorry.
and when you pay someone a starting salary of 30 dollars an hour to put floor mats in a car?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......one has to look at the unions and who they are out for...
Hint: THEMSELVES
i have heard no one say the recession is over....only that things on the market/in the economy have signs of improvement...and that everyone keeps saying that jobs will be the last thing to recover in this recession, or something of the sort...i realize they have trends that they have viewed from the past that give them this impression of how it is going to go...but I am not so certain they are looking at the right trends to compare to...i think we are in more of a depression than a recession and maybe they should look at how unemployment trended during the great depression?
health care costs and health care benefits to their retirees is what have come back to bite the companies with unions in the butt....when the companies AGREED with the union to give these benefits INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A RAISE in salary decades ago, probably made a bad decision looking back on it....but to blame unions for what the companies sat at a bargaining table on and came to the agreement on...could be a little short sited and partisan skewed imo.
You can't blame this on healthcare when your paying someone 95% of their salary to sit at home on their fat beer drinking ass and watch Oprah for years on end.
That just doesn't fly. Sorry.
and when you pay someone a starting salary of 30 dollars an hour to put floor mats in a car?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......one has to look at the unions and who they are out for...
Hint: THEMSELVES
But at what POINT do you say to yourself....these companies AGREED to these measures at the Bargaining table? They did NOT have to do such, but they made their own business decisions on what they felt the company or the corporation could afford....these are adults, high powered ceos at the bargaining table...they CERTAINLY DID what was best for the corporation at the time...or at least they thought they did OR THEY DID NOT do their homework correctly and miscalculated what they agreed to which hurt their company and shareholders, while they probably got a big bonus for being the hero that worked the agreement.
To BLAME solely one side like the other side HAD NO PART OF IT, is just wrong Patek....there is always 2 sides to a story...and I am not giving the union who negotiated these deals many moons ago, some of them before these union workers were even born, a pass either...just saying that the picture is bigger than your narrow scope...just open your mind.
and as far as the car manufacturers and their unions....those ceo's imo are to blame for most of what has happened to them....the American company heads did not have vision or insight or ingenuity in their plan...thus sales dropped and every year they lost more and more market share of the industry to the small car maker over seas....
What I am trying to say is that if the ceo's and decision makers of the auto industry continued to have good, strong sales and maintained or grew their share of the market place then there would be NO PROBLEMS with all of the union benefits and pay that they get.....LACK OF SALES, because of not having the right product at the right price, IS THEIR PROBLEM....
Care
You can't blame this on healthcare when your paying someone 95% of their salary to sit at home on their fat beer drinking ass and watch Oprah for years on end.
That just doesn't fly. Sorry.
and when you pay someone a starting salary of 30 dollars an hour to put floor mats in a car?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......one has to look at the unions and who they are out for...
Hint: THEMSELVES
But at what POINT do you say to yourself....these companies AGREED to these measures at the Bargaining table? They did NOT have to do such, but they made their own business decisions on what they felt the company or the corporation could afford....these are adults, high powered ceos at the bargaining table...they CERTAINLY DID what was best for the corporation at the time...or at least they thought they did OR THEY DID NOT do their homework correctly and miscalculated what they agreed to which hurt their company and shareholders, while they probably got a big bonus for being the hero that worked the agreement.
To BLAME solely one side like the other side HAD NO PART OF IT, is just wrong Patek....there is always 2 sides to a story...and I am not giving the union who negotiated these deals many moons ago, some of them before these union workers were even born, a pass either...just saying that the picture is bigger than your narrow scope...just open your mind.
and as far as the car manufacturers and their unions....those ceo's imo are to blame for most of what has happened to them....the American company heads did not have vision or insight or ingenuity in their plan...thus sales dropped and every year they lost more and more market share of the industry to the small car maker over seas....
What I am trying to say is that if the ceo's and decision makers of the auto industry continued to have good, strong sales and maintained or grew their share of the market place then there would be NO PROBLEMS with all of the union benefits and pay that they get.....LACK OF SALES, because of not having the right product at the right price, IS THEIR PROBLEM....
Care
Look. I see your point...but let's look at it from the Union perspective....you say the company agreed to it. What sword of Damacles was there in the bargaining room over the management side's table?
Strikes
People out of work.
Bad press for the auto companys
Presidents step in...
See my point....
The companies agreed to it under the threat of a strike which would have put millions out of work.
So what did the auto companies do? Raised the price of their products and the consumer...you and me...got it right in our wallets. That's why the price of a 10,000 dollar car is currently $25,000.
Managements side? They were motivated by profit for the share holders...nothing more, nothing less. Their lack of vision and failure to adopt better QC standards are what did them in.
You and I still got screwed in the process.
i have heard no one say the recession is over....only that things on the mrket/in the economy have signs of improvement...and that everyone keeps saying that jobs will be the last thing to recover in this recession, or something of the sort...i realize they have trends that they have viewed from the past that give them this impression of how it is going to go...but I am not so certain they are looking at the right trends to compare to...i think we are in more of a depression than a recession and maybe they should look at how unemployment trended during the great depression?
Just because you haven't heard anyone say it does not mean that they haven't been saying it. It means you haven't heard it.... It's been widely reported by the media and believed by a wide variety of idiots.
health care costs and health care benefits to their retirees is what have come back to bite the companies with unions in the butt....when the companies AGREED with the union to give these benefits INSTEAD OF GIVING THEM A RAISE in salary decades ago, probably made a bad decision looking back on it....but to blame unions for what the companies sat at a bargaining table on and came to the agreement on...could be a little short sited and partisan skewed imo.
You can't blame this on healthcare when your paying someone 95% of their salary to sit at home on their fat beer drinking ass and watch Oprah for years on end.
That just doesn't fly. Sorry.
and when you pay someone a starting salary of 30 dollars an hour to put floor mats in a car?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......one has to look at the unions and who they are out for...
Hint: THEMSELVES
But at what POINT do you say to yourself....these companies AGREED to these measures at the Bargaining table? They did NOT have to do such, but they made their own business decisions on what they felt the company or the corporation could afford....these are adults, high powered ceos at the bargaining table...they CERTAINLY DID what was best for the corporation at the time...or at least they thought they did OR THEY DID NOT do their homework correctly and miscalculated what they agreed to which hurt their company and shareholders, while they probably got a big bonus for being the hero that worked the agreement.
To BLAME solely one side like the other side HAD NO PART OF IT, is just wrong Patek....there is always 2 sides to a story...and I am not giving the union who negotiated these deals many moons ago, some of them before these union workers were even born, a pass either...just saying that the picture is bigger than your narrow scope...just open your mind.
and as far as the car manufacturers and their unions....those ceo's imo are to blame for most of what has happened to them....the American company heads did not have vision or insight or ingenuity in their plan...thus sales dropped and every year they lost more and more market share of the industry to the small car maker over seas....
What I am trying to say is that if the ceo's and decision makers of the auto industry continued to have good, strong sales and maintained or grew their share of the market place then there would be NO PROBLEMS with all of the union benefits and pay that they get.....LACK OF SALES, because of not having the right product at the right price, IS THEIR PROBLEM....
Care
You can't blame this on healthcare when your paying someone 95% of their salary to sit at home on their fat beer drinking ass and watch Oprah for years on end.
That just doesn't fly. Sorry.
and when you pay someone a starting salary of 30 dollars an hour to put floor mats in a car?? Hmmmmmmmmmm......one has to look at the unions and who they are out for...
Hint: THEMSELVES
But at what POINT do you say to yourself....these companies AGREED to these measures at the Bargaining table? They did NOT have to do such, but they made their own business decisions on what they felt the company or the corporation could afford....these are adults, high powered ceos at the bargaining table...they CERTAINLY DID what was best for the corporation at the time...or at least they thought they did OR THEY DID NOT do their homework correctly and miscalculated what they agreed to which hurt their company and shareholders, while they probably got a big bonus for being the hero that worked the agreement.
To BLAME solely one side like the other side HAD NO PART OF IT, is just wrong Patek....there is always 2 sides to a story...and I am not giving the union who negotiated these deals many moons ago, some of them before these union workers were even born, a pass either...just saying that the picture is bigger than your narrow scope...just open your mind.
and as far as the car manufacturers and their unions....those ceo's imo are to blame for most of what has happened to them....the American company heads did not have vision or insight or ingenuity in their plan...thus sales dropped and every year they lost more and more market share of the industry to the small car maker over seas....
What I am trying to say is that if the ceo's and decision makers of the auto industry continued to have good, strong sales and maintained or grew their share of the market place then there would be NO PROBLEMS with all of the union benefits and pay that they get.....LACK OF SALES, because of not having the right product at the right price, IS THEIR PROBLEM....
Care
This is all well and good, however, was it the fat cat CEOs who priced themselves out of a job by agreeing to the union demands? Ummm, no. The labor unions and their lazy assed workers did it to themsleves, and rather than take resposnibility for their own actions, they want to blame everyone BUT themselves. I can't feel sorry for them.
But at what POINT do you say to yourself....these companies AGREED to these measures at the Bargaining table? They did NOT have to do such, but they made their own business decisions on what they felt the company or the corporation could afford....these are adults, high powered ceos at the bargaining table...they CERTAINLY DID what was best for the corporation at the time...or at least they thought they did OR THEY DID NOT do their homework correctly and miscalculated what they agreed to which hurt their company and shareholders, while they probably got a big bonus for being the hero that worked the agreement.
To BLAME solely one side like the other side HAD NO PART OF IT, is just wrong Patek....there is always 2 sides to a story...and I am not giving the union who negotiated these deals many moons ago, some of them before these union workers were even born, a pass either...just saying that the picture is bigger than your narrow scope...just open your mind.
and as far as the car manufacturers and their unions....those ceo's imo are to blame for most of what has happened to them....the American company heads did not have vision or insight or ingenuity in their plan...thus sales dropped and every year they lost more and more market share of the industry to the small car maker over seas....
What I am trying to say is that if the ceo's and decision makers of the auto industry continued to have good, strong sales and maintained or grew their share of the market place then there would be NO PROBLEMS with all of the union benefits and pay that they get.....LACK OF SALES, because of not having the right product at the right price, IS THEIR PROBLEM....
Care
This is all well and good, however, was it the fat cat CEOs who priced themselves out of a job by agreeing to the union demands? Ummm, no. The labor unions and their lazy assed workers did it to themsleves, and rather than take resposnibility for their own actions, they want to blame everyone BUT themselves. I can't feel sorry for them.
is there a specific union where all union members are LAZY ASS WORKERS or all union members across the country are LAZY ASS WORKERS and do you have anything to back that up Yank?
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This is all well and good, however, was it the fat cat CEOs who priced themselves out of a job by agreeing to the union demands? Ummm, no. The labor unions and their lazy assed workers did it to themsleves, and rather than take resposnibility for their own actions, they want to blame everyone BUT themselves. I can't feel sorry for them.
is there a specific union where all union members are LAZY ASS WORKERS or all union members across the country are LAZY ASS WORKERS and do you have anything to back that up Yank?
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I most certainly do. Two of my brothers-in-law were employed by the UAW for a period of time back in the nineties. They were told to slow down and to not work faster than any of their "brothers" in the UAW, because if they did, management could find out that not as many union workers were actually needed and one of their "brothers" might get laid off. How's that for pricing yourself out of a job?
