63% of Non-Citizens in U.S. are on the Dole

[bendog]

Should we (and can we) condition the documents to enter the US with the intention to immigrate on a showing of enough assets to survive a certain period of time? (we cannot legally say a person legally here is not eligible for at least some kinds of public assistance)

If so, how does that affect people who legitimately fear being tortured or killed and apply for asylum?

And do we want to keep giving visas to skilled workers who will work cheaper than US citizens with basically the same qualifications?

And is Trump out of his fucking mind to object to "chain immigration" when that's where a lot of our restaurants come from and immigrants get jobs? (-:

Immigrants used to be means tested. That was standard practice for decades once we had government assistance programs. Before such programs, it wasn't necessary as people either supported themselves or lived in abject misery (sometimes the two conditions were not mutually exclusive).

First, we need to stop illegal immigration and make illegals ineligible for all government assistance. If CA wants to use it's medicaid programs for illegals, then the Feds should not subsidize that amount used for such.

Used to be to come to this country you had to have a sponsor. Someone who provide everything for you. That ended when the Govt. decided the tax payers could foot the bills.

And no one who isn't a US citizen should be getting anything from our social services.

Should non-citizens be able to serve in the military? You know, do the brave things that cowards like your messiah won’t do?

https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VNA-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Sure as a way to gain citizenship. I have no problem with that.

Its the other illegals who should be booted out of our country.

Oh and he's not my messiah. That's all in your rabid little brain.

He is a damned good POTUS though. Even if you can't see it.

Piss off.

He sucks both as a person and as a POTUS. More as a POTUS actually.

You’re talking out both sides of your mouth. Imagine my shock.

I'd not say he sucks less as a human being. And perhaps that's the thing. How can a person be a decent potus if he/she is simply a despicable excuse for humanity. (and I'd rate Hillary there too btw)

 

[Claudette]

Should we (and can we) condition the documents to enter the US with the intention to immigrate on a showing of enough assets to survive a certain period of time? (we cannot legally say a person legally here is not eligible for at least some kinds of public assistance)

If so, how does that affect people who legitimately fear being tortured or killed and apply for asylum?

And do we want to keep giving visas to skilled workers who will work cheaper than US citizens with basically the same qualifications?

And is Trump out of his fucking mind to object to "chain immigration" when that's where a lot of our restaurants come from and immigrants get jobs? (-:

Immigrants used to be means tested. That was standard practice for decades once we had government assistance programs. Before such programs, it wasn't necessary as people either supported themselves or lived in abject misery (sometimes the two conditions were not mutually exclusive).

First, we need to stop illegal immigration and make illegals ineligible for all government assistance. If CA wants to use it's medicaid programs for illegals, then the Feds should not subsidize that amount used for such.

Used to be to come to this country you had to have a sponsor. Someone who provide everything for you. That ended when the Govt. decided the tax payers could foot the bills.

And no one who isn't a US citizen should be getting anything from our social services.

Should non-citizens be able to serve in the military? You know, do the brave things that cowards like your messiah won’t do?

https://immigrationforum.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/VNA-Fact-Sheet.pdf

Sure as a way to gain citizenship. I have no problem with that.

Its the other illegals who should be booted out of our country.

Oh and he's not my messiah. That's all in your rabid little brain.

He is a damned good POTUS though. Even if you can't see it.

Piss off.

He sucks both as a person and as a POTUS. More as a POTUS actually.

You’re talking out both sides of your mouth. Imagine my shock.

I'm not shocked by the crap you post at all.

Go ahead and keep pissing up that rope. The piss will look good on your stupid ass.

 

[Meathead]

Should we (and can we) condition the documents to enter the US with the intention to immigrate on a showing of enough assets to survive a certain period of time? (we cannot legally say a person legally here is not eligible for at least some kinds of public assistance)

If so, how does that affect people who legitimately fear being tortured or killed and apply for asylum?

And do we want to keep giving visas to skilled workers who will work cheaper than US citizens with basically the same qualifications?

And is Trump out of his fucking mind to object to "chain immigration" when that's where a lot of our restaurants come from and immigrants get jobs? (-:

Immigrants used to be means tested. That was standard practice for decades once we had government assistance programs. Before such programs, it wasn't necessary as people either supported themselves or lived in abject misery (sometimes the two conditions were not mutually exclusive).

First, we need to stop illegal immigration and make illegals ineligible for all government assistance. If CA wants to use it's medicaid programs for illegals, then the Feds should not subsidize that amount used for such.

We cannot legally make it illegal for illegal immigrants to get some forms of public assistance. Perhaps it's possible to change that with legislation. However, it is not constitutional to deny educational and medical services even to children here illegally, and it's doubly not constitutional to deny services to "anchor babies" and the 14th is not likely going to be changed by the Sup Ct.

But we could fine Big League anyone hiring an illegal alien without taking steps to ascertain legal status. And we should do that.

But Trump's still out of his mind on chain immigration, and I think we should keep people who legitimately qualify for asylum, regardless of financial ability on their part.

Eh? Where in the Constitution does it sat anything about rights to free stuff?

Art I, sec 8, clause 1: "The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States"

i.e., the "Necessary and Proper Clause" (sometimes also called the "Elastic Clause") grants Congress a set of so-called implied powers—that is, powers not explicitly named in the Constitution but assumed to exist due to their being necessary to implement the expressed powers that are named in Article I.

I don't truck with racist focks, and Meathead qualifies there ... big league. But more so its in the equal protection clause.

Plyler v. Doe - Wikipedia

Would it be triply or quadruply unconstitutional to deprive a black lesbian free stuff?

This could get very interesting.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

The ideal Democrat Voter is poor and illiterate

 

[WillowTree]

Build the damn wall.

No thanks. No one intelligent wants a monument to Drumpfs stupidity. Besides Mexico already said they wont pay for it.

Then don’t tax Americans.

Drumpf is going to tax americans to get the wall built dummy. Did you really believe him when he said he was going to make Mexico pay for it?

Yes! Build the damn wall. Mexico will pay for it! Have you figured out how yet you big fart faced dumbass?

 

[Wry Catcher]

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As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders.

This is an indictment of the welfare state, not an argument for closed borders.

You can't have both - that was a key point.

My point is that we should be working to minimize the welfare state, not building walls to accommodate it.

We minimize those dependent on government - on all levels - by planning ahead, not kicking problems down the road or pointing fingers at everyone else.

Issues to consider:

• Education, free public education
• Healthcare, free preventative care to all from cradle to grave
• Creating jobs, which education has prepared students with the necessary and sufficient skills needed for the 21st Century
• Taxes, necessary and sufficient to provide for the above, the general welfare and the common defense.

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[sparky]

Issues to consider:

• Education, free public education
• Healthcare, free preventative care to all from cradle to grave
• Creating jobs, which education has prepared students with the necessary and sufficient skills needed for the 21st Century
• Taxes, necessary and sufficient to provide for the above, the general welfare and the common defense.

We would easily pay for your list, if we closed 1/2 of these>

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

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As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

the center for immigration studies is well known for lying their asses off. I'm going to look into this and get back to you

 

[debbiedowner]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Health coverage for lawfully present immigrants

https://www.medicaid.gov/medicaid/o...ity-for-non-citizens-in-medicaid-and-chip.pdf

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yep, the study is a complete piece of shit. A steaming pile of shit tailored to gullible wingnuts. And the thread title is a shameless lie.

 

[boedicca]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

the center for immigration studies is well known for lying their asses off. I'm going to look into this and get back to you

As you regularly slop up the liar-pablum served up by your Elite Masters, your judgement here is not particularly insightful.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

the center for immigration studies is well known for lying their asses off. I'm going to look into this and get back to you

As you regularly slop up the liar-pablum served up by your Elite Masters, your judgement here is not particularly insightful.

Haha, look at you, taking an insult of this garbage propaganda personally. You even had to make something up to soothe yourself. Think about that . That's kind of embarrassing, really.

Did you happen to go read any of the actual study release from the hate group? I'm guessing "no".

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Where to start....this study is such a steaming pile of shit, that I'll just mention a few points and let everyone else figure out the rest.

1) for one, it's 63% of households headed by a noncitizen, not 63% of non citizens (that's the lie in the lying thread title invented by the OP)

2) Second, it counts any household in which any family member receives benefits, and these family members are generally citizens. So, for example, when a US citizen child in one of these households receives Medicaid (as all us citizen children are eligible to do, if they meet other requirements), then the household is included in this "63%".



3) The Earned Income Tax Credit is counted as cash receipt welfare (you must work and pay taxes to get it). When this is removed, the percentage of non-citizen headed households receiving any cash receipt welfare is actually LOWER than native-led households (6 to 8 percent)

(Notice the language chosen by them: "native"-led households, even though all citizens are not natives. This is intentional.)

4) if a citizen female receives WIC for a citizen child, but the head of household is a non-citizen...yep! In the 63%

This is a piece of shit nugget of hate propaganda meant only to rile up racists, xenophobes, and poisonous nationalists.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The hate group CIS put out a similar, lying, exaggerated, piece of shit "study" in 2015 that was roundly debunked and ridiculed. Expect another one in a few years. They know full well their target audience will lap it right up.

 

[eagle7_31]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

Roughly 0%. Wonder no more.

 

[boedicca]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

Roughly 0%. Wonder no more.

Correction - millions. In CA, they are automatically registered to vote when they get a driver's licence.

 

[eagle7_31]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

Roughly 0%. Wonder no more.

Oh really. Pardon my cynicism.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

Roughly 0%. Wonder no more.

Correction - millions. In CA, they are automatically registered to vote when they get a driver's licence.

That doesn't mean they vote. So you lied, there. Furthermore, just over 1 million have obtained the AB 60 license since the program started, with, no doubt, a good portion of those people gaining citizenship since. So the "millions" is another lie by you.

Also, the AB 60 license renewals are not part of the motor voter program for license renewals. Oops, wrong again...

And the AB 60 licenses have 5 year renewal periods. The program started in 2015. How many have renewed, then? See if you can handle that math.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

The majority, 63%, of non-citizen immigrants households in the U.S. are on at least one form of government assistance. This is far higher than the 35% of native households that receive such aid.

View attachment 232726

As Milton Friedman rightly noted, you can't have both a welfare state and open borders:

Because it is one thing to have free immigration to jobs. It is another thing to have free immigration to welfare. And you cannot have both. If you have a welfare state, if you have a state in which every resident is promises a certain minimal level of income, or a minimum level of subsistence, regardless of whether he works or not, produces it or not. Then it really is an impossible thing.

So, if the this trend continues, we will see the type of tax donkey rioting in the U.S. that is underway in France.

A majority of “non-citizens,” including those with legal green card rights, are tapping into welfare programs set up to help poor and ailing Americans, a Census Bureau finding that bolsters President Trump’s concern about immigrants costing the nation.

In a new analysis of the latest numbers, from 2014, 63 percent of non-citizens are using a welfare program, and it grows to 70 percent for those here 10 years or more, confirming another concern that once immigrants tap into welfare, they don’t get off it.

Census confirms: 63 percent of ‘non-citizens’ on welfare, 4.6 million households

Wonder how many of them are voting?

Roughly 0%. Wonder no more.

Oh really. Pardon my cynicism.

You are excused.