Zone1 613 Commandments vs 10. Which leads to a better society?

[themirrorthief]

I am a Catholic Christian and not only is that not the focus of homilies, it is not even mentioned primarily because the focus is on Jesus, what he taught, and how that relates to us personally today.

Today's homily....Who do you say that I am? And, Why, do you suppose Jesus asked the apostles not to reveal his identity. Perhaps they were not ready....Are we ready today?

IM ready to take a great shit

 

[shockedcanadian]

is your dilema that you can’t decide whether to believe Jesus was the Messiah?

Indeed. I've grown weary of all the abuses I have suffered and seen so many who do not follow Jesuses words while promoting themselves. I've also grown fond of a few rabbis online who appeal to my.sense of curiousity.

Besides, I was born in a Jewish hospital by a Jewish doctor and three Jewish nurses,.I'm honorary lol. Then there was the most vibrant dream I had, it's all really heavy to process at a time I have so many other issues going on.

 

[irosie91]

I am a Catholic Christian and not only is that not the focus of homilies, it is not even mentioned primarily because the focus is on Jesus, what he taught, and how that relates to us personally today.

Today's homily....Who do you say that I am? And, Why, do you suppose Jesus asked the apostles not to reveal his identity. Perhaps they were not ready....Are we ready today?

I missed it. When did Jesus ask his apostles not to reveal his identity and to whom?

 

[Meriweather]

I missed it. When did Jesus ask his apostles not to reveal his identity and to whom?

Matthew 16: verse 20, I think

"Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ."

 

[irosie91]

Matthew 16: verse 20, I think

"Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ."

OH well----matthew-----BUT that would not stop the Romans and their shill,
Caiaphas from knowing WHO HE IS---ie the one who preached and also attacked
the money changers in the Temple Court Yard. Is that what was meant by
"BETRAYING HIM" ?? I always wondered

 

[BreezeWood]

Matthew 16: verse 20, I think

"Then he strictly ordered his disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ."

their confusion, dilemma in the 4th century is that they had no verifiable historical recording jesus ever claimed to be a messiah - that claim made publicly was only made and recorded by judas.

 

[SweetSue92]

My church has stayed away from the gender hysteria, and rarely heard anything about gay marriage etc. I think the prospect just scares them is all. Will the Left burn down my church or cause the attendance to wane? Probably, much like the Catholic church would have been obliterated off the face of the earth had the publicly come out against the Holocaust, another political hot topic and would have been "thrown to the same Leftist lions" of the National Socialists. Then again, maybe that is our duty. Perhaps if we are not preparted to die for our faith, we are not worthy of it.

But perhaps this is why the church is just glibly going along with the Left, which is without a doubt the most successful religion in the world today.

When MLK walked the streets for Civil Rights, many churches also remained silent, but a few like Billy Graham joined with them. The church I think is commanded to speak on political hot issues like these, and to stand for justice if they are to remain relevant within society. At the same time, however, you don't want a particular secular party taking over the pulpit.

I think one of the reasons Jews lean Left is, they want the state to take care of the poor for them. I know my church has an abundance of outreaches for the poor.

It's not so much a matter of "keeping silent"--it's that we're not there for that. Our purpose is to "know God and make God known" to coin a phrase. Politics and culture is very much on the periphery of that, for the most part.

 

[irosie91]

their confusion, dilemma in the 4th century is that they had no verifiable historical recording jesus ever claimed to be a messiah - that claim made publicly was only made and recorded by judas.

??? recorded in the NT? Judas claimed that Jesus is "messiah"? or that
Jesus claimed to be "messiah" ??? where?

 

[Lisa558]

??? recorded in the NT? Judas claimed that Jesus is "messiah"? or that
Jesus claimed to be "messiah" ??? where?

I’m pretty sure Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. He was a traditional Jew, taught traditional values, and knew he did not qualify based on OT teachings.

 

[irosie91]

I’m pretty sure Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. He was a traditional Jew, taught traditional values, and knew he did not qualify based on OT teachings.

I’m pretty sure Jesus never claimed to be the Messiah. He was a traditional Jew, taught traditional values, and knew he did not qualify based on OT teachings.

I agree----but the idea gets shoehorned into things he is purported
to have said-----it is not clear to me what "betraying" him refers to.
Some people say that the sin of JUDAS is that he simply pointed him
out in a crowd-----while the same people claim that Jesus was a famous
guy thruout Judea-----so FAMOUS that "the pharisees" were afraid to knock
him off since he had SO MANY followers. Basing what Jesus was doing
on what the NT says----he certainly was not IN HIDING. Hiding was not
hard------there were whole communities out there in the desert

 

[Lisa558]

I agree----but the idea gets shoehorned into things he is purported
to have said-----it is not clear to me what "betraying" him refers to.
Some people say that the sin of JUDAS is that he simply pointed him
out in a crowd-----while the same people claim that Jesus was a famous
guy thruout Judea-----so FAMOUS that "the pharisees" were afraid to knock
him off since he had SO MANY followers. Basing what Jesus was doing
on what the NT says----he certainly was not IN HIDING. Hiding was not
hard------there were whole communities out there in the desert

I doubt Jesus was famous throughout the land. He had a relatively small group of followers, and the vast majority of Jews had never heard of him.

 

[BreezeWood]

Some people say that the sin of JUDAS is that he simply pointed him
out in a crowd----

judas is the only historical recording of the time that jesus claimed to be a messiah - a paid for admonition by the criminal jews ... rather than their admission jesus was a repudiation of judaism itself.

there was no need for jesus as mat:16 claims - as jesus never made the claim of being a messiah himself.

I doubt Jesus was famous throughout the land. He had a relatively small group of followers,

that may well be true of the personage of jesus - not what he taught ...

they gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination before their abandonment by those that wrote the christian bible of servitude and denial -

and just how many jews were there that stood against rome and were fed to the lions.

 

[irosie91]

judas is the only historical recording of the time that jesus claimed to be a messiah - a paid for admonition by the criminal jews ... rather than their admission jesus was a repudiation of judaism itself.

there was no need for jesus as mat:16 claims - as jesus never made the claim of being a messiah himself.




that may well be true of the personage of jesus - not what he taught ...

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they gave their lives for liberation theology, self determination before their abandonment by those that wrote the christian bible of servitude and denial -

and just how many jews were there that stood against rome and were fed to the lions.

Leave those TREF eating roman pig-lions out. THEY WILL GET THEIRS----
when da messiah comes

 

[BreezeWood]

Leave those TREF eating roman pig-lions out. THEY WILL GET THEIRS----
when da messiah comes

- the jews haven't a clue, as jesus said, let them eat cake.

 

[irosie91]

- the jews haven't a clue, as jesus said, let them eat cake.

In reference to the hungry lions of the Colosseum ?

 

[BreezeWood]

In reference to the hungry lions of the Colosseum ?

those TREF eating roman pig-lions

is that who they were ... some funny jewish word. known to them they feign appropriate ...

try american - stand up, make clear what you believe in.

 

[irosie91]

is that who they were ... some funny jewish word. known to them they feign appropriate ...

try american - stand up, make clear what you believe in.

to which word to you allude, breezie "those"???

 

[BreezeWood]

to which word to you allude, breezie "those"???

could it have been the one in red ... is it hebrew, the one you choose to use.

 

[irosie91]

could it have been the one in red ... is it hebrew, the one you choose to use.

The word in red is "tref" which is hebrew and means "not kosher" to wit--
not fit to eat. Humans are not kosher

 

[Lisa558]

The word in red is "tref" which is hebrew and means "not kosher" to wit--
not fit to eat. Humans are not kosher

Either is shrimp. So a human shrimp like Breezie is double treif!