5 facts about mass public shootings anti gunners don't want to know or understand...

[miketx]

And Joe, being so scared of a world without control has barricaded himself in a concrete fortified safe room?

No?

Why not Joe?

Because statistically, there is less chance of death by gun then there is of falling down in the safe room?

Um, 33,000 gun deaths a year.

Not sure about falling down in a safe room.

Most of them criminals. Why do you always omit that?

 

[miketx]

And where were the police when people were being murdered? Not where the killings were happening......

Exactly my point.

Because the mass shooter usually has a plan. He's usually taken the time to plan out his attack and knowing where the cops are going to be.

Now, part of the problem is, they don't send the really good cops to schools. If you are getting sent to the school, it's because you are probably too much of a **** up to be walking a beat in a crime ridden neighborhood. They just figure you are slightly more impressive than a mannequin in a uniform.

Which is fine, most of the time.

Kind of the problem when you live in a gun-infested country, having to decide, "Well, I'll put the really sharp guys in the hood, and the fuckups in the schools, because we only have so m any men."

SO the police call him and tell them where they will be? Laughable at best.

 

[Moonglow]

You actually made my point doofus. Not one of those parents has quit going about their day to day business. Why? Because the odds of being “gunned down” is statistically minuscule.

Thanks for the assist Joe?

Of what, proving you are a retard?

The fact is, we are designing our whole society around the gun fetishists. Our workplaces are all security doors and armed guards because we fear that coworker who was looking at us funny and can't stop talking about his gun collection.

So cowardice is what drives you then? And mental breakdown. You know that if you had a gun at work, at the first bad feelings from your boss or coworkers, you would just start blasting people. That's why you don't want anyone else to have guns because you think they are as damaged mentally as you are.

That's the way the army operates, yes indeed..

 

[2aguy]

And Joe, being so scared of a world without control has barricaded himself in a concrete fortified safe room?

No?

Why not Joe?

Because statistically, there is less chance of death by gun then there is of falling down in the safe room?

Um, 33,000 gun deaths a year.

Not sure about falling down in a safe room.

That you constantly lie with that statistic proves the point of this thread..

Here is the truth to your number.....cars kill more peope than guns do...ban cars, not guns...

In a population of over 320 million people with close to 600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense.......

And, according to the CDC, Americans using guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminal attack....here is the truth...

Gun accidents.....495

gun murder 11,004

gun suicide....22,938

Fatal Injury Data | WISQARS | Injury Center | CDC

2016

Gun.....495

Car.......38,748

poisoning......58,335

falling.......34,673

suffocation...6,610

drowning......3,786



Gun murder.....2016



FBI....11,004

Expanded Homicide Data Table 4

Gun Suicide.....22,938

 

[2aguy]

And where were the police when people were being murdered? Not where the killings were happening......

Exactly my point.

Because the mass shooter usually has a plan. He's usually taken the time to plan out his attack and knowing where the cops are going to be.

Now, part of the problem is, they don't send the really good cops to schools. If you are getting sent to the school, it's because you are probably too much of a **** up to be walking a beat in a crime ridden neighborhood. They just figure you are slightly more impressive than a mannequin in a uniform.

Which is fine, most of the time.

Kind of the problem when you live in a gun-infested country, having to decide, "Well, I'll put the really sharp guys in the hood, and the fuckups in the schools, because we only have so m any men."

No.....it is a problem when you democrats enforce a law that makes law abiding gun owners leave their legal gun at home, or in their cars...so when the mass shooter comes into the democrat gun free zone to murder people, there is no one there to stop them....

And as we know from actual mass shooters, they choose democrat gun free zones specifically because they know no one will have a gun to stop them....we know this as a fact from mass shooters who are captured and from the notes of the ones who are killed.........

And we also know that as soon as mass shooters are confronted by someone with a gun...a civilian or a cop...they surrender, run away, or commit suicide.....as happened at Parkland, and the Waffle House...they ran away.....

Nothing you post is even remotely true or accurate....

and again....Americans use their legal guns 2.4 million times a year to stop violent criminals including some mass shootings...according to the CDC.......

 

[miketx]

How do you get a job as a shill, anyway?

 

[JoeB131]

France is in lockdown....Britain is in lockdown.....Sweden...the police are quitting because of all the gun and grenade violoence....Japan is a police state....

Um, yeah, buddy, you keep saying that... it's just not true.

Here's the thing

WE LOCK UP 2 MILLION PEOPLE!!!!

That's a country on lockdown.

Those countries lock up less than 100,000.

But you keep caressing your gun thinking it makes you safe.

 

[JoeB131]

No.....it is a problem when you democrats enforce a law that makes law abiding gun owners leave their legal gun at home, or in their cars...so when the mass shooter comes into the democrat gun free zone to murder people, there is no one there to stop them....

Guy, most of your gun nuts would PISS YOURSELVES if you were ever confronted with a mass shooter.

 

[JoeB131]

Most of them criminals. Why do you always omit that?

Because most of them aren't.

Most of them are suicides, accidents and domestic arguments...

If there was no gun in the house, nothing would have happened.

 

[2aguy]

France is in lockdown....Britain is in lockdown.....Sweden...the police are quitting because of all the gun and grenade violoence....Japan is a police state....

Um, yeah, buddy, you keep saying that... it's just not true.

Here's the thing

WE LOCK UP 2 MILLION PEOPLE!!!!

That's a country on lockdown.

Those countries lock up less than 100,000.

But you keep caressing your gun thinking it makes you safe.

Moron....the democrats keep letting the violent gun criminals out of jail...it doesn't matter how many you lock up if you let them right back out....

I don't think guns keep me safe.....science tells me they keep me safe....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...



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-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

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Arming teachers: Science or shot in the dark?



For the Purdue project, students pored over FBI data from past mass shootings, including Sandy Hook, the 2012 Newtown, Conn., mass shooting that ended with 20 children and six adults dead. They studied police response time in relation to casualties, said the institute's director, J. Eric Dietz, Indiana's first director of Homeland Security. Appointed by Gov. Mitch Daniels, Dietz reorganized the state's public safety planning and response while serving as director until 2008.

In their study, the Purdue students created four scenarios and ran them through the computer models that followed an active shooter in a school. It's available at www.researchgate.net/.

They learned what could seem obvious: if a police officer or other armed school official confronts the shooter, fewer casualties are likely to occur. Dietz said the gun debate is so polarizing, his students sought to use science to inform people in the middle of the debate.

"What we found was profound," said Dietz. He said a single resource officer "or even an armed teacher in a defensive position between attacker and students can reduce the number of victims by up to 70 percent."

Dietz and his students have been presenting their findings at seminars across the country. They're using models now to study stadiums and sporting events.

"My students weren't supporting a certain agenda item. We tried to take a very objective look," said Dietz.

"In all cases, some presence of weapons was an advantage," he said. "Essentially, our model shows what President Trump said after the Florida shooting – arm more people. That's what we predict from the science we built."

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Guns Effective Defense Against Rape


However, most recent studies with improved methodology are consistently showing that the more forceful the resistance, the lower the risk of a completed rape, with no increase in physical injury. Sarah Ullman's original research (Journal of Interpersonal Violence, 1998) and critical review of past studies (Criminal Justice and Behavior, 1997) are especially valuable in solidifying this conclusion.

I wish to single out one particular subtype of physical resistance: Use of a weapon, and especially a firearm, is statistically a woman's best means of resistance, greatly enhancing her odds of escaping both rape and injury, compared to any other strategy of physical or verbal resistance. This conclusion is drawn from four types of information.

First, a 1989 study (Furby, Journal of Interpersonal Violence) found that both male and female survey respondents judged a gun to be the most effective means that a potential rape victim could use to fend off the assault. Rape "experts" considered it a close second, after eye-gouging.

Second, raw data from the 1979-1985 installments of the Justice Department's annual National Crime Victim Survey show that when a woman resists a stranger rape with a gun, the probability of completion was 0.1 percent and of victim injury 0.0 percent, compared to 31 percent and 40 percent, respectively, for all stranger rapes (Kleck, Social Problems, 1990).

Third, a recent paper (Southwick, Journal of Criminal Justice, 2000) analyzed victim resistance to violent crimes generally, with robbery, aggravated assault and rape considered together. Women who resisted with a gun were 2.5 times more likely to escape without injury than those who did not resist and 4 times more likely to escape uninjured than those who resisted with any means other than a gun. Similarly, their property losses in a robbery were reduced more than six-fold and almost three-fold, respectively, compared to the other categories of resistance strategy.

Fourth, we have two studies in the last 20 years that directly address the outcomes of women who resist attempted rape with a weapon. (Lizotte, Journal of Quantitative Criminology, 1986; Kleck, Social Problems, 1990.) The former concludes,"Further, women who resist rape with a gun or knife dramatically decrease their probability of completion." (Lizotte did not analyze victim injuries apart from the rape itself.) The latter concludes that "resistance with a gun or knife is the most effective form of resistance for preventing completion of a rape"; this is accomplished "without creating any significant additional risk of other injury."

The best conclusion from available scientific data, then, is when avoidance of rape has failed and one must choose between being raped and resisting, a woman's best option is to resist with a gun in her hands.

 

[miketx]

France is in lockdown....Britain is in lockdown.....Sweden...the police are quitting because of all the gun and grenade violoence....Japan is a police state....

Um, yeah, buddy, you keep saying that... it's just not true.

Here's the thing

WE LOCK UP 2 MILLION PEOPLE!!!!

That's a country on lockdown.

Those countries lock up less than 100,000.

But you keep caressing your gun thinking it makes you safe.

Total BS lies. Not locking up criminals is why you have so much crime! Thanks for just admitting you don't want to punish criminals. And caressing a gun does not make you safe. However shooting some car jacking scumbag in the head does!

 

[2aguy]

Most of them criminals. Why do you always omit that?

Because most of them aren't.

Most of them are suicides, accidents and domestic arguments...

If there was no gun in the house, nothing would have happened.

Moron.....

Fact Check, Gun Control and Suicide



There is no relation between suicide rate and gun ownership rates around the world.

According to the 2016 World Health Statistics report, (2) suicide rates in the four countries cited as having restrictive gun control laws have suicide rates that are comparable to that in the U. S.: Australia, 11.6, Canada, 11.4, France, 15.8, UK, 7.0, and USA 13.7 suicides/100,000. By comparison, Japan has among the highest suicide rates in the world, 23.1/100,000, but gun ownership is extremely rare, 0.6 guns/100 people.

Suicide is a mental health issue. If guns are not available other means are used. Poisoning, in fact, is the most common method of suicide for U. S. females according to the Washington Post (34 % of suicides), and suffocation the second most common method for males (27%).

Secondly, gun ownership rates in France and Canada are not low, as is implied in the Post article. The rate of gun ownership in the U. S. is indeed high at 88.8 guns/100 residents, but gun ownership rates are also among the world’s highest in the other countries cited. Gun ownership rates in these countries are are as follows: Australia, 15, Canada, 30.8, France, 31.2, and UK 6.2 per 100 residents. (3,4) Gun ownership rates in Saudia Arabia are comparable to that in Canada and France, with 37.8 guns per 100 Saudi residents, yet the lowest suicide rate in the world is in Saudia Arabia (0.3 suicides per 100,000).

Third, recent statistics in the state of Florida show that nearly one third of the guns used in suicides are obtained illegally, putting these firearm deaths beyond control through gun laws.(5)

Fourth, the primary factors affecting suicide rates are personal stresses, cultural, economic, religious factors and demographics. According to the WHO statistics, the highest rates of suicide in the world are in the Republic of Korea, with 36.8 suicides per 100,000, but India, Japan, Russia, and Hungary all have rates above 20 per 100,000; roughly twice as high as the U.S. and the four countries that are the basis for the Post’s calculation that gun control would reduce U.S. suicide rates by 20 to 38 percent. Lebanon, Oman, and Iraq all have suicide rates below 1.1 per 100,000 people--less than 1/10 the suicide rate in the U. S., and Afghanistan, Algeria, Jamaica, Haiti, and Egypt have low suicide rates that are below 4 per 100,000 in contrast to 13.7 suicides/100,000 in the U. S.

 

[JoeB131]

And, according to the CDC, Americans using guns 2.4 million times a year to stop

Nope. never happens.

Here's the thing. According to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justifiable". (There are 900 gun homicides by LEO's, but given you can't convict these guys with videotape of them shooting people in the back, that's not saying much).

So we are to believe that in 2,400,000 times when a good guy with a gun gets to live his utlimate wank fantasy of shooting an evil-doer/darkie/bad guy, 2,399,800 of those times, they manage to restrain themselves.

Again, just listening to you gun nuts masturbate here all day about how you just can't wait to shoot you a bad guy, I find that difficult to believe.

 

[2aguy]

No.....it is a problem when you democrats enforce a law that makes law abiding gun owners leave their legal gun at home, or in their cars...so when the mass shooter comes into the democrat gun free zone to murder people, there is no one there to stop them....

Guy, most of your gun nuts would PISS YOURSELVES if you were ever confronted with a mass shooter.

Except real world mass shooting events with armed civilians show you are wrong about this too...

 

[miketx]

No.....it is a problem when you democrats enforce a law that makes law abiding gun owners leave their legal gun at home, or in their cars...so when the mass shooter comes into the democrat gun free zone to murder people, there is no one there to stop them....

Guy, most of your gun nuts would PISS YOURSELVES if you were ever confronted with a mass shooter.

What would be wrong with that, Mr. coward?

 

[miketx]

And, according to the CDC, Americans using guns 2.4 million times a year to stop

Nope. never happens.

Here's the thing. According to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justifiable". (There are 900 gun homicides by LEO's, but given you can't convict these guys with videotape of them shooting people in the back, that's not saying much).

So we are to believe that in 2,400,000 times when a good guy with a gun gets to live his utlimate wank fantasy of shooting an evil-doer/darkie/bad guy, 2,399,800 of those times, they manage to restrain themselves.

Again, just listening to you gun nuts masturbate here all day about how you just can't wait to shoot you a bad guy, I find that difficult to believe.

You just cant help but lie can you. Using a gun for self defense does not have to involve shooting a criminals. Many times just showing the gun does the trick. Please, stop your non stop lie fest.

 

[2aguy]

And, according to the CDC, Americans using guns 2.4 million times a year to stop

Nope. never happens.

Here's the thing. According to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justifiable". (There are 900 gun homicides by LEO's, but given you can't convict these guys with videotape of them shooting people in the back, that's not saying much).

So we are to believe that in 2,400,000 times when a good guy with a gun gets to live his utlimate wank fantasy of shooting an evil-doer/darkie/bad guy, 2,399,800 of those times, they manage to restrain themselves.

Again, just listening to you gun nuts masturbate here all day about how you just can't wait to shoot you a bad guy, I find that difficult to believe.

The CDC, and the Department of Justice, under clinton and the obama........all found those numbers...and those are only 3 studies on defensive gun use........and as they all state, most defensive gun use does not end with the criminal getting shot, they run away, surrender or when shot, they don't die....you doofus...

A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)

CDC...1996-1998... 2.46 million ( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

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If you take the studies from that Kleck cites in his paper, 16 of them....and you only average the ones that exclude military and police shootings..the average becomes 2 million...I use those studies because I have the details on them...and they are still 10 studies (including Kleck's)....

 

[2aguy]

And, according to the CDC, Americans using guns 2.4 million times a year to stop

Nope. never happens.

Here's the thing. According to the FBI, only 200 gun homicides by civilians are ruled "Justifiable". (There are 900 gun homicides by LEO's, but given you can't convict these guys with videotape of them shooting people in the back, that's not saying much).

So we are to believe that in 2,400,000 times when a good guy with a gun gets to live his utlimate wank fantasy of shooting an evil-doer/darkie/bad guy, 2,399,800 of those times, they manage to restrain themselves.

Again, just listening to you gun nuts masturbate here all day about how you just can't wait to shoot you a bad guy, I find that difficult to believe.

Again, just listening to you gun nuts masturbate

And so we get to it.....you are getting sexually aroused at all this talk about guns....... you still haven't addressed the psycho sexual disfunction that you have? When you start talking about guns, you get aroused...... joe, your wires are crossed.....guns are not sex toys...get help....

 

[Pop23]

This article looks at 5 facts about mass shootings that show that anti gunners don't know what they are talking about, that show mass shootings are extremely rare events ...... when you consider that lawn mowers kill more people each year than mass shooters do.... and that affirmative action in mass shootings is working.... asians and blacks are over represented in mass shootings according to their population levels....

Another fun fact? Knives are used to murder more people every single year than mass public shooters have killed in 52 years of mass public shootings......

John Hawkins - 5 Facts About Mass Shootings That The Gun Control Fanatics Don’t Want You to See

3) These shooters are all white guys:

There’s a long running myth about mass murderers (and for that matter, serial killers) that says they’re almost all white guys. This isn’t correct as even Slate magazine noted in a rare moment of honesty,

The proportion of white mass shooters drops down to 56 percent, by my count. Judging by those newer numbers, and the most current census estimate that 76.9 percent of Americans are white, the whites-are-overrepresented-among-mass-shooters meme appears even less accurate.

Perpetrators that Mother Jones classifies as Asian make up 7.4 percent of the data set, versus an estimated 5.7 percent of the population, while those MoJo identifies as black represent 17.0 percent of the mass shooters in the database versus an estimated 13.3 percent of the population.

According to this data set, then, Asians and black Americans are overrepresented among mass shooters by about the same proportion (a bit more than one-fourth) that whites are underrepresented.
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4) Mass shootings are much more rare than gun control advocates would have you believe:

If it bleeds, it leads and the bloodier the better. That means mass shootings get ENORMOUS amounts of publicity every time they happen and if you believe gun control nuts, they happen constantly. But, what are the chances you are actually going to die in a mass shooting?


Well, in an anti-gun article in the Washington Post from April of this year, it was noted that 1,081 people had died in mass shootings from 1966 to the present. In other words, roughly 21 people per year died in mass shootings over the last 52 years.


Just as a point of comparison, almost one American per day (335 per year) drowns in a bathtub, hot tub or spa. In 2016, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.” If the mainstream media obsessively focused on stories like these, we’d have people calling for bans on bathtubs and martial arts training. The death of any innocent person is a terrible thing, but the number of deaths via mass shootings doesn’t justify 1/50 of the attention it’s given in a nation of 325 million people.

The left is simply trying to create paranoia and panic over something that is statistically so minor that it’s laughable.

I think they just like hearing themselves talk.

You should read the Bible the left is done gone crazy in dat book..

You should post something that doesn’t make the left actually look crazy.

If making the left look like limp dicked wimps was your goal, CONGRATULATIONS, IT WORKED!

Why they should be crazy look at what is in that book, paranoia is like generational for millenia...

In the OP. Show us one, just one place that quotes the Bible. Just one and I’ll give you a break.

If you can’t, then realize, the Bible is renting a room in your head, free of charge.

Maybe even better, you’re proving the effect it has in you!

And that shit, you just can’t make up!

 

[Moonglow]

This article looks at 5 facts about mass shootings that show that anti gunners don't know what they are talking about, that show mass shootings are extremely rare events ...... when you consider that lawn mowers kill more people each year than mass shooters do.... and that affirmative action in mass shootings is working.... asians and blacks are over represented in mass shootings according to their population levels....

Another fun fact? Knives are used to murder more people every single year than mass public shooters have killed in 52 years of mass public shootings......

John Hawkins - 5 Facts About Mass Shootings That The Gun Control Fanatics Don’t Want You to See

3) These shooters are all white guys:

There’s a long running myth about mass murderers (and for that matter, serial killers) that says they’re almost all white guys. This isn’t correct as even Slate magazine noted in a rare moment of honesty,

The proportion of white mass shooters drops down to 56 percent, by my count. Judging by those newer numbers, and the most current census estimate that 76.9 percent of Americans are white, the whites-are-overrepresented-among-mass-shooters meme appears even less accurate.

Perpetrators that Mother Jones classifies as Asian make up 7.4 percent of the data set, versus an estimated 5.7 percent of the population, while those MoJo identifies as black represent 17.0 percent of the mass shooters in the database versus an estimated 13.3 percent of the population.

According to this data set, then, Asians and black Americans are overrepresented among mass shooters by about the same proportion (a bit more than one-fourth) that whites are underrepresented.
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4) Mass shootings are much more rare than gun control advocates would have you believe:

If it bleeds, it leads and the bloodier the better. That means mass shootings get ENORMOUS amounts of publicity every time they happen and if you believe gun control nuts, they happen constantly. But, what are the chances you are actually going to die in a mass shooting?


Well, in an anti-gun article in the Washington Post from April of this year, it was noted that 1,081 people had died in mass shootings from 1966 to the present. In other words, roughly 21 people per year died in mass shootings over the last 52 years.


Just as a point of comparison, almost one American per day (335 per year) drowns in a bathtub, hot tub or spa. In 2016, according to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, 656 people were beaten to death with “hands, fists, feet, etc.” If the mainstream media obsessively focused on stories like these, we’d have people calling for bans on bathtubs and martial arts training. The death of any innocent person is a terrible thing, but the number of deaths via mass shootings doesn’t justify 1/50 of the attention it’s given in a nation of 325 million people.

The left is simply trying to create paranoia and panic over something that is statistically so minor that it’s laughable.

I think they just like hearing themselves talk.

You should read the Bible the left is done gone crazy in dat book..

You should post something that doesn’t make the left actually look crazy.

If making the left look like limp dicked wimps was your goal, CONGRATULATIONS, IT WORKED!

Why they should be crazy look at what is in that book, paranoia is like generational for millenia...

In the OP. Show us one, just one place that quotes the Bible. Just one and I’ll give you a break.

If you can’t, then realize, the Bible is renting a room in your head, free of charge.

Maybe even better, you’re proving the effect it has in you!

And that shit, you just can’t make up!

Paranoia knows no political bounds, why deny it?