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And it's usually a fake-ass pro-wrestling "fight" for optics. They are both slaves to the military/industrial complex, which is why they hate Trump so fucking much. Billions in foreign military support have been shut down or are threatened and the M/IC (which rules both parties) will not have it.I was pointing out (I edited my post you responded to by the way) that the Democrats are not bold enough to take ground. They are playing the same hand the same way and relying on the GOP being so repugnant. I was pointing out a way that, I think, they could gain some ground proactively. The middle class voters think the Democrats don't understand them. they are pretty much right. Imagine what would happen if you shifted the paradigm away from the same-old same-old to some really inventive thinking to where, again, you don't have three generations of the same family working at Wal*Mart or for the school district. There is nothing wrong with those jobs. Its just that those jobs are a lot times, the only options. Pay for thousands of HS grads to go to UTI or Lincoln Tech. Its a way to perhaps change the "ugly reality".I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
I should know better but here it goes...
Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a? promotion... Joe's got you covered.
Anyway...imagine the families in the smaller towns in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania whose kids are graduating with two options; work at the Wal*Mart or the Dairy Queen. Perhaps they could see a new possibility if such a program was in place to where they didn't need to qualify for a loan using a formula written by some think thank, they didn't need to worry about books, tuition, fees, or uniforms, they didn't need to do anything other than show up and learn. Perhaps they could get a job repairing diesel engines or become a nurse instead of just accepting their fate in retail. Its not only good policy...it's good politics. We need to get this done tomorrow!
What does that have to do with the conversation? Were you perhaps responding to a different post?
Oh, ok. I don't think that would really address the issue. Two opposed parties is baked into our election system. They're always going to find something to fight about.
For a while maybe, and I'm fine with that. But eventually, the composition of our leadership would adjust and they'd learn to work together to represent the whole country, rather than just the majority.
That won't happen because every year the two parties drift further and further apart.
I should know better but here it goes...
Imagine what would happen if Biden put into place a plan to pay for education like we have for social security except reverse it. With SS you pay all your work life and then get a reward at the end. Pay for two years of the education/job training up front (books, tuition, fees, uniforms, etc...) and then deduct the costs of it over the working life. But (as anyone who has had work on their car done can tell you) waive the repayment or part of the repayment if you go into the trades such as auto/body or ac/refrigeration technician. Make it available to anyone who wants to learn. If you're graduating high school...you're able to go to college right off the bat. If you're already in the work force, you can go back on your own schedule. If you're already into a career and want to, I don't know, learn another language to get a promotion... Joe's got you covered.
They're driven apart by flaws in our system. The 2/3s majority requirement would turn that around.
“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
If we faced a genuine outside threat, we'd be reminded of this. And I think that's actually part of the problem. The US has had the luxury, for over fifty years, of facing no genuine threat from outside. So instead, we fight with each other. It's dumb. We need to wake up, because if we keep at it, we'll find ourselves in such a hole that outsides threats will be a real problem.
They're driven apart by flaws in our system. The 2/3s majority requirement would turn that around.
You're living in 1985. Today is today and the Democrat party has shown repeatedly they don't give on anything. I mean.....they shutdown the government for the longest period of time in our history over a 3 billion dollar wall. 3 billion dollars is what we spend on food stamps for a half of a month. Their concern is not the money, their concern is forcing their agenda through and making sure Republicans don't get theirs.
“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
If we faced a genuine outside threat, we'd be reminded of this. And I think that's actually part of the problem. The US has had the luxury, for over fifty years, of facing no genuine threat from outside. So instead, we fight with each other. It's dumb. We need to wake up, because if we keep at it, we'll find ourselves in such a hole that outsides threats will be a real problem.
Sigh.... it's like talking to a brick. Yes. Democrats are evil. Go team!“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
If we faced a genuine outside threat, we'd be reminded of this. And I think that's actually part of the problem. The US has had the luxury, for over fifty years, of facing no genuine threat from outside. So instead, we fight with each other. It's dumb. We need to wake up, because if we keep at it, we'll find ourselves in such a hole that outsides threats will be a real problem.
That’s your theory.
But again, you’re out of touch. “Outside threats” have nothing to do with the Democrats desire to redesign America, to denigrate those who founded, built, fund and run America (heterosexual christian Caucasian’s).....to champion all things immoral, indecent, weird and criminal, to open our southern border and force good Americans to fund millions of desperate thirdworlders. The list goes on and on....FUCK DEMOCRATS!
That's what we're doing.There is nothing wrong with a high school graduate living at home for a while and getting a full time job. Save your money for two or three years, then go to college or trade school. Continue working part time during the school year and full time when not in school. You should have enough money by the time you graduate to have your education paid for or at least most of it where a student loan is very small.
Duh? And Republicans are just as bad.
You don't seem to absorbing what I'm saying. That kind of stupidity is baked into our system. The rules and procedures we use for electing leaders and passing laws drives the two parties into radicalized opposition. We have to change those rules before things will improve.
Well please STOP with the “we’re all on the same team” bullshit.Sigh.... it's like talking to a brick. Yes. Democrats are evil. Go team!“They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.”I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
The sentiment is noble but you have lost touch if you honestly believe “we’re all on the same side”.
If we faced a genuine outside threat, we'd be reminded of this. And I think that's actually part of the problem. The US has had the luxury, for over fifty years, of facing no genuine threat from outside. So instead, we fight with each other. It's dumb. We need to wake up, because if we keep at it, we'll find ourselves in such a hole that outsides threats will be a real problem.
That’s your theory.
But again, you’re out of touch. “Outside threats” have nothing to do with the Democrats desire to redesign America, to denigrate those who founded, built, fund and run America (heterosexual christian Caucasian’s).....to champion all things immoral, indecent, weird and criminal, to open our southern border and force good Americans to fund millions of desperate thirdworlders. The list goes on and on....FUCK DEMOCRATS!
That's what we're doing.
My 17-year-old daughter could get to any school in Texas and maybe even an Ivy (she gets her smarts from her mother), but we're not shoving her into the 4-year-degree plan right out of high school. Tuition for even in-state programs has increased 10x since I was in college, and college graduates are like cockroaches. It's not really worth the cost unless one is going to law school, medical school, post-graduate study for other professions, and needs a BS to get there. We are letting her figure things out, save some money, and make a decision that doesn't land her in debt for the next 30 years.
College is becoming more and more a racket of worthless bullshit.
Well please STOP with the “we’re all on the same team” bullshit.
We all stand on the same soil....THAT’S IT. We are not likeminded, we are not friends, we are enemies....we HATE the Left like Hitler hated Jews...but worse.
So what rules are you talking about? These two parties are who made the rules in the first place.
What are you proposing, a one party state? Leftwing political theory is idiotic.I don't see this happening until we change the election system. The two party nonsense thrives on division. The parties define themselves in opposition. They focus solely on our disagreements, and disregard that fact that we're all on the same side.A win is a win. But yeah...both parties are losing ground and hopefully a sensible centrist 3rd party will emerge.This is just a guess, of course, but somewhere around 48% of those who vote in November will be voting for Donald Trump. Without going into the laundry list of obvious examples or any of the standard talking points, there are certainly plenty of reasons not to. Yet he has a perfectly reasonable chance of winning.
Right now, polls show that about 43% of Americans approve of the job he's doing. This, after everything that has happened, and that number should be a very sobering indication of where this country is right now. Personally, I try to understand how these people can do this, but I still only understand some of it.
Anyway, here's the point: Elections are about contrasts. Choices. How can that many people support this disaster of a person? For many of them, they're looking at the alternative. And when those who provide their information and opinions for them point at things like PC and Identity Politics and Cancel Culture and an overall culture in decay, they can make reasonable points not to vote for the Democratic party. Even with, amazingly, this profoundly damaged person in the White House.
It's certainly too late to make any changes before November, but the Democratic party had a chance to take over the middle, and I don't see that happening. There is no excuse, zero, none, for the race to be this close. Regardless of who wins, the Democrats have too often allowed the wrong voices to represent them. It allows the Trumpsters to tie all the silliest crap coming from the hardcore Left to the milquetoast, feeble Biden.
This should be a learning experience, but I'm doubtful.
They have "adopted" what?So what rules are you talking about? These two parties are who made the rules in the first place.
Well, the 2/3 majority thing I already mentioned. That would require a Constitutional amendment, but I think we need to stop being afraid of that. It can happen, we just have to make it happen.
The most promising reform movement I see right now is to change the voting system so that consensus is encouraged rather than punished. That's something that we can change at the local level without dealing with the feds. And it's actually happening. Maine has switched and other states are considering it. Many local governments across the country have adopted it.
Well, the 2/3 majority thing I already mentioned. That would require a Constitutional amendment, but I think we need to stop being afraid of that. It can happen, we just have to make it happen.
The most promising reform movement I see right now is to change the voting system so that consensus is encouraged rather than punished. That's something that we can change at the local level without dealing with the feds. And it's actually happening. Maine has switched and other states are considering it. Many local governments across the country have adopted it.
Doh - I left that outThey have "adopted" what?So what rules are you talking about? These two parties are who made the rules in the first place.
Well, the 2/3 majority thing I already mentioned. That would require a Constitutional amendment, but I think we need to stop being afraid of that. It can happen, we just have to make it happen.
The most promising reform movement I see right now is to change the voting system so that consensus is encouraged rather than punished. That's something that we can change at the local level without dealing with the feds. And it's actually happening. Maine has switched and other states are considering it. Many local governments across the country have adopted it.
How does it "build consensus?"Doh - I left that outThey have "adopted" what?So what rules are you talking about? These two parties are who made the rules in the first place.
Well, the 2/3 majority thing I already mentioned. That would require a Constitutional amendment, but I think we need to stop being afraid of that. It can happen, we just have to make it happen.
The most promising reform movement I see right now is to change the voting system so that consensus is encouraged rather than punished. That's something that we can change at the local level without dealing with the feds. And it's actually happening. Maine has switched and other states are considering it. Many local governments across the country have adopted it.
What I meant to say ways "Maine has switched to ranked-choice voting". That's what I'm referring to. It's a system that actually encourage consensus building. It also does away with the lesser-of-two-evils crap.
