3rd party deceivers

[Wolfstrike]

One day I went to the voting booth and proudly cast my vote for Ross Perot. If everyone was like me, most likely, the nation's reform would have started in 1992. Since both opponents became President, history shows we were better off with door #3.

Back then the Democrat laughed and said "Go ahead , throw your vote away" and the Republicans told us "It's imperative the Republicans win"

Now he we are in an age where the Republicans placed Judge Roberts and the Supreme Court, and he approved Obamacare.

Unfortunately the world is not black & white , there are times when voting 3rd party is right and times when voting 3rd party is wrong.



Right now we have Trump attempting to enact reforms we should have seen 40 years ago.

After hearing how stupid we were for voting 3rd party, now , all the sudden, we're hearing about how it's right to "vote our conscious" and not support Trump for...some made-up reason.

It's really freaking scary how much propaganda we see this election , we have the left-wing blabbing propaganda all day long, and other members of the left ACTING like they're "Republicans who won't vote for Trump" ...all to achieve the same goal.

 

[PurpleOwl]

I agree, Republicans should vote 3rd party

 

[flacaltenn]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

 

[PurpleOwl]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

It's not a 2 party problem democrats love hillary and they love bill clinton, Ever since george bush the entire republican party has been in disarray the 2012 elections were a nightmare for the republicans, most people gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were running against Obama. Now its 2016 and not only did you have an equally nightmarish primary on the republican side with 16 candidates, but you have a candidate that isn't even supported by half your party including all former presidents and presidential nominees.

Not so with the democrats who out of 4 nominees only 2 were chosen. And they all supported their nominee Hillary Clinton in the end. Jimmy carter and Al gore, are not denouncing Hillary Clinton and calling her unfit for office everyday on the news. John Kerry and Ash carter aren't condemning Clinton calling a her fascist and a racist. In fact it would be very hard to find a single big name democrat who is against her.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

This is not a 2 party problem.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

One day I went to the voting booth and proudly cast my vote for Ross Perot. If everyone was like me, most likely, the nation's reform would have started in 1992. Since both opponents became President, history shows we were better off with door #3.

Back then the Democrat laughed and said "Go ahead , throw your vote away" and the Republicans told us "It's imperative the Republicans win"

Now he we are in an age where the Republicans placed Judge Roberts and the Supreme Court, and he approved Obamacare.

Unfortunately the world is not black & white , there are times when voting 3rd party is right and times when voting 3rd party is wrong.



Right now we have Trump attempting to enact reforms we should have seen 40 years ago.

After hearing how stupid we were for voting 3rd party, now , all the sudden, we're hearing about how it's right to "vote our conscious" and not support Trump for...some made-up reason.

It's really freaking scary how much propaganda we see this election , we have the left-wing blabbing propaganda all day long, and other members of the left ACTING like they're "Republicans who won't vote for Trump" ...all to achieve the same goal.

There are many excellent reasons not to support Trump; indeed, he’s wrong on most, if not all, the issues.

And Perot was just as wrong on the issues, and just as unfit to be president as Trump.

 

[flacaltenn]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

It's not a 2 party problem democrats love hillary and they love bill clinton, Ever since george bush the entire republican party has been in disarray the 2012 elections were a nightmare for the republicans, most people gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were running against Obama. Now its 2016 and not only did you have an equally nightmarish primary on the republican side with 16 candidates, but you have a candidate that isn't even supported by half your party including all former presidents and presidential nominees.

Not so with the democrats who out of 4 nominees only 2 were chosen. And they all supported their nominee Hillary Clinton in the end. Jimmy carter and Al gore, are not denouncing Hillary Clinton and calling her unfit for office everyday on the news. John Kerry and Ash carter aren't condemning Clinton calling a her fascist and a racist. In fact it would be very hard to find a single big name democrat who is against her.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

This is not a 2 party problem.

The reason Hillary ran virtually unopposed by any RATIONAL candidate in the coronation primary is that the Clintons worked for 15 years to create a ******* dynasty and shadow State Dept in the Clinton Foundations. The Dems REWARD those that take injuries for the team. Don't reward honesty, public service and humility.

And the 2 parties PLAY off each other to reach this lowest level of expectation and despair. If your candidate LIES -- find a bigger lie on the other side. If your candidate cheats and steals or commits a crime -- find a bigger crime on the other side.

In the VERY OLD DAYS -- like the 18th century, you could bring out whores and mistresses on both sides and IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG AND IMMORAL. Today -- YOUR dude/dudette gets baptized squeaky clean if they are at least as damaged as the other. It's a ******* miracle of rebirth. Like bleaching a mangy dog, by finding an uglier, mangier one.

That can't happen as easily if Americans chose humble people ASKING to serve. Not EXPECTING to serve like these 2 parties have conditioned the populace. And with 3 or 4 parties in the mix, would be MUCH harder to cross-blame and avoid the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates.

 

[PurpleOwl]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

It's not a 2 party problem democrats love hillary and they love bill clinton, Ever since george bush the entire republican party has been in disarray the 2012 elections were a nightmare for the republicans, most people gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were running against Obama. Now its 2016 and not only did you have an equally nightmarish primary on the republican side with 16 candidates, but you have a candidate that isn't even supported by half your party including all former presidents and presidential nominees.

Not so with the democrats who out of 4 nominees only 2 were chosen. And they all supported their nominee Hillary Clinton in the end. Jimmy carter and Al gore, are not denouncing Hillary Clinton and calling her unfit for office everyday on the news. John Kerry and Ash carter aren't condemning Clinton calling a her fascist and a racist. In fact it would be very hard to find a single big name democrat who is against her.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

This is not a 2 party problem.

The reason Hillary ran virtually unopposed by any RATIONAL candidate in the coronation primary is that the Clintons worked for 15 years to create a ******* dynasty and shadow State Dept in the Clinton Foundations. The Dems REWARD those that take injuries for the team. Don't reward honesty, public service and humility.

And the 2 parties PLAY off each other to reach this lowest level of expectation and despair. If your candidate LIES -- find a bigger lie on the other side. If your candidate cheats and steals or commits a crime -- find a bigger crime on the other side.

In the VERY OLD DAYS -- like the 18th century, you could bring out whores and mistresses on both sides and IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG AND IMMORAL. Today -- YOUR dude/dudette gets baptized squeaky clean if they are at least as damaged as the other. It's a ******* miracle of rebirth. Like bleaching a mangy dog, by finding an uglier, mangier one.

That can't happen as easily if Americans chose humble people ASKING to serve. Not EXPECTING to serve like these 2 parties have conditioned the populace. And with 3 or 4 parties in the mix, would be MUCH harder to cross-blame and avoid the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates.

What a fantasy world you must live in. So you're completely ignoring the fact that all democrats support her, that she is the first female candidate for president in history, and is one the most intelligent and experienced candidates Americans have had in decades. Instead you have some fantasy you've concocted about the state department and the clinton foundation, probably from reading too many conspiracy websites. And your belief that only the all so wise republicans have the mental acuity to notice. It's laughable, pathetic, and sad.

You are the one who doesn't like your candidate, you dont like Hillary Clinton either? That's fine, it's probably because you're not a democrat, and has nothing to do with any of these issues.... You are the one cross-blaming, avoiding the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates

 

[flacaltenn]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

It's not a 2 party problem democrats love hillary and they love bill clinton, Ever since george bush the entire republican party has been in disarray the 2012 elections were a nightmare for the republicans, most people gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were running against Obama. Now its 2016 and not only did you have an equally nightmarish primary on the republican side with 16 candidates, but you have a candidate that isn't even supported by half your party including all former presidents and presidential nominees.

Not so with the democrats who out of 4 nominees only 2 were chosen. And they all supported their nominee Hillary Clinton in the end. Jimmy carter and Al gore, are not denouncing Hillary Clinton and calling her unfit for office everyday on the news. John Kerry and Ash carter aren't condemning Clinton calling a her fascist and a racist. In fact it would be very hard to find a single big name democrat who is against her.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

This is not a 2 party problem.

The reason Hillary ran virtually unopposed by any RATIONAL candidate in the coronation primary is that the Clintons worked for 15 years to create a ******* dynasty and shadow State Dept in the Clinton Foundations. The Dems REWARD those that take injuries for the team. Don't reward honesty, public service and humility.

And the 2 parties PLAY off each other to reach this lowest level of expectation and despair. If your candidate LIES -- find a bigger lie on the other side. If your candidate cheats and steals or commits a crime -- find a bigger crime on the other side.

In the VERY OLD DAYS -- like the 18th century, you could bring out whores and mistresses on both sides and IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG AND IMMORAL. Today -- YOUR dude/dudette gets baptized squeaky clean if they are at least as damaged as the other. It's a ******* miracle of rebirth. Like bleaching a mangy dog, by finding an uglier, mangier one.

That can't happen as easily if Americans chose humble people ASKING to serve. Not EXPECTING to serve like these 2 parties have conditioned the populace. And with 3 or 4 parties in the mix, would be MUCH harder to cross-blame and avoid the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates.

What a fantasy world you must live in. So you're completely ignoring the fact that all democrats support her, that she is the first female candidate for president in history, and is one the most intelligent and experienced candidates Americans have had in decades. Instead you have some fantasy you've concocted about the state department and the clinton foundation, probably from reading too many conspiracy websites. And your belief that only the all so wise republicans have the mental acuity to notice. It's laughable, pathetic, and sad.

You are the one who doesn't like your candidate, you dont like Hillary Clinton either? That's fine, it's probably because you're not a democrat, and has nothing to do with any of these issues.... You are the one cross-blaming, avoiding the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates

Oh c'mon. Give me a break. ALL democrats support her? See how many get off the sofa to actually vote for her on election day. She's one of the LEAST popular Dems to ever represent that party.

And let's be clear here. I hate BOTH equally. And MY VOTE is going 3rd party to Johnson/Weld. A party I've actively worked for in excess of 20 years. I've long since walked away from the meltdown in process of America's 2 party system.

Matter of fact -- I've been writing social media releases for them this election cycle. .
MY vote is NOT gonna be out of FEAR. OR --- "wasted"..

 

[Wolfstrike]

One day I went to the voting booth and proudly cast my vote for Ross Perot. If everyone was like me, most likely, the nation's reform would have started in 1992. Since both opponents became President, history shows we were better off with door #3.

Back then the Democrat laughed and said "Go ahead , throw your vote away" and the Republicans told us "It's imperative the Republicans win"

Now he we are in an age where the Republicans placed Judge Roberts and the Supreme Court, and he approved Obamacare.

Unfortunately the world is not black & white , there are times when voting 3rd party is right and times when voting 3rd party is wrong.



Right now we have Trump attempting to enact reforms we should have seen 40 years ago.

After hearing how stupid we were for voting 3rd party, now , all the sudden, we're hearing about how it's right to "vote our conscious" and not support Trump for...some made-up reason.

It's really freaking scary how much propaganda we see this election , we have the left-wing blabbing propaganda all day long, and other members of the left ACTING like they're "Republicans who won't vote for Trump" ...all to achieve the same goal.

There are many excellent reasons not to support Trump; indeed, he’s wrong on most, if not all, the issues.

And Perot was just as wrong on the issues, and just as unfit to be president as Trump.

and by "issues" you mean absolutely nothing

 

[PurpleOwl]

The day after this election -- things get progressively worse. No matter WHICH of the power whores wins. The rancor and stupidity and lack of reasonable leadership is gonna kill us. And the day after the election about 1/2 of those that voted -- will have "wasted their vote" because they didn't win. In fact, the next Prez will be chosen by approximately 0.48 * 0.62 or just 29% of the people ELIGIBLE to vote.

The exact point is -- your precious vote should not be just about winning. Winning at all costs and voting out of FEAR is what has destroyed the political process in this country. And a population that is conditioned to ONLY VOTE for "brand name" candidates deserves to be totally taken to the darkest depths of deceit, arrogance and hopelessness.

When you can cross-blame and CLEANSE your warty damaged candidate by running an equally warty and damaged candidate against them -- AND there "are no other choices" -- it's the end of competitive USEFUL politics in this country. 2 people pointing fingers at each other is a very unstable physics problem. It is exactly the polarization of 2 forces that moves us closer to dysfunction. While with THREE or MORE choices, it's MUCH harder to cross-blame and absolve your 2 sorry ass parties from the sins that they are committing in this election..

It's not a 2 party problem democrats love hillary and they love bill clinton, Ever since george bush the entire republican party has been in disarray the 2012 elections were a nightmare for the republicans, most people gave them the benefit of the doubt as they were running against Obama. Now its 2016 and not only did you have an equally nightmarish primary on the republican side with 16 candidates, but you have a candidate that isn't even supported by half your party including all former presidents and presidential nominees.

Not so with the democrats who out of 4 nominees only 2 were chosen. And they all supported their nominee Hillary Clinton in the end. Jimmy carter and Al gore, are not denouncing Hillary Clinton and calling her unfit for office everyday on the news. John Kerry and Ash carter aren't condemning Clinton calling a her fascist and a racist. In fact it would be very hard to find a single big name democrat who is against her.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-when-they-reached-their-breaking-point.html

This is not a 2 party problem.

The reason Hillary ran virtually unopposed by any RATIONAL candidate in the coronation primary is that the Clintons worked for 15 years to create a ******* dynasty and shadow State Dept in the Clinton Foundations. The Dems REWARD those that take injuries for the team. Don't reward honesty, public service and humility.

And the 2 parties PLAY off each other to reach this lowest level of expectation and despair. If your candidate LIES -- find a bigger lie on the other side. If your candidate cheats and steals or commits a crime -- find a bigger crime on the other side.

In the VERY OLD DAYS -- like the 18th century, you could bring out whores and mistresses on both sides and IT WOULD STILL BE WRONG AND IMMORAL. Today -- YOUR dude/dudette gets baptized squeaky clean if they are at least as damaged as the other. It's a ******* miracle of rebirth. Like bleaching a mangy dog, by finding an uglier, mangier one.

That can't happen as easily if Americans chose humble people ASKING to serve. Not EXPECTING to serve like these 2 parties have conditioned the populace. And with 3 or 4 parties in the mix, would be MUCH harder to cross-blame and avoid the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates.

What a fantasy world you must live in. So you're completely ignoring the fact that all democrats support her, that she is the first female candidate for president in history, and is one the most intelligent and experienced candidates Americans have had in decades. Instead you have some fantasy you've concocted about the state department and the clinton foundation, probably from reading too many conspiracy websites. And your belief that only the all so wise republicans have the mental acuity to notice. It's laughable, pathetic, and sad.

You are the one who doesn't like your candidate, you dont like Hillary Clinton either? That's fine, it's probably because you're not a democrat, and has nothing to do with any of these issues.... You are the one cross-blaming, avoiding the issues and the leadership traits of the candidates

Oh c'mon. Give me a break. ALL democrats support her? See how many get off the sofa to actually vote for her on election day. She's one of the LEAST popular Dems to ever represent that party.

And let's be clear here. I hate BOTH equally. And MY VOTE is going 3rd party to Johnson/Weld. A party I've actively worked for in excess of 20 years. I've long since walked away from the meltdown in process of America's 2 party system.

Matter of fact -- I've been writing social media releases for them this election cycle. .
MY vote is NOT gonna be out of FEAR. OR --- "wasted"..

Yes all democrats support her, as in all senators, congressmen, governors etc. All the people who denounced trump and refused to endorse him, is not something normal and doesn't happen all the time. John mccain, mitt romney, george bush never had these problems. Bush of all people should've had atleast a few people denounce him in 2004 because of iraq or his handling of 9/11 maybe. But not one word, from any of the republicans in government, and they re-elected him. Many still support Bush today, but not Trump. This 2016 election is different. Now if your saying that you are a political extremist and that both parties are too similar compared to you, that's fine im sure that communists, eco-anarchists, and every other political radical feels the same way

Also...."the libertarian party" for 20 years? seriously? so your these guys?

 

[Wolfstrike]

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