3rd major political party needed

[Harry Dresden]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

thats because so many party people have that ridiculous lessor of 2 evils bullshit mindset.......

 

[Harry Dresden]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT


60% of Americans are not satisfied with either political party, in fact most would support a major 3rd political party. But what would a 3rd party look like? Any thoughts?


Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Most Americans want a third party. The agreement stops there

How much longer can the two-party system hold?

If Americans are not satisfied with the current state of American politics, they need to stop whining about it and get involved in politics at the very local level.

They need to stop obsessing over parties and focus instead on the issues, on facts, and on solutions that actually work – not letters after the name of political candidates.

Problems with the American political process can’t be fixed from the top down, just as a third party isn’t a solution to those problems.

They need to stop obsessing over parties...not letters after the name of political candidates.
when are you going to start taking your own advice jones?....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In most cases, it is. That's a fact. Hence the "lesser of two evils" vote pattern.

Now, if a party were to arise that actually approached the constitutional model of government in a more authentic and effective manner than the two dominant parties, we'd be talking.

There's also that little fact that education is the key to good government, because it is filled with would-be P.T. Barnums looking for that next sucker. Compared to even fifty years ago, American citizens are civic morons. That was accomplished with intent.

The biggest problem with the lesser of two evils is that they are still evil

And adding a third ‘evil’ isn’t the answer.

The notion that candidates of a third party would be pure, innocent, humble public servants is as naïve as it is ridiculous.

Everything that’s wrong with American politics, everything Americans hate about politics, and the disdain Americans have for the two-party system is solely the fault of the American people – they have only themselves to blame: their ignorance, their apathy, and their stupidity make every American complicit with what’s wrong with the political process.

It is not about finding a candidate less evil, it is about more accountability. In a two party system there is none for either party, no matter how badly they screw up things and screw over people they know they will be back in power sooner rather than later, it is just a given.

Add in a 3rd (or more) viable choice and then all of a sudden actions have consequences. There is no longer a guarantee of return to power.

And who is responsible for sending back to Congress those who ‘screw up…’

Correct: the voters – not the two major parties; and nothing will change with the creation of a third party as long as voters remain ignorant, apathetic, and uninvolved.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT


60% of Americans are not satisfied with either political party, in fact most would support a major 3rd political party. But what would a 3rd party look like? Any thoughts?


Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Most Americans want a third party. The agreement stops there

How much longer can the two-party system hold?

A Republic Is Public Enemy #1


The elitist Constitution was designed to take that choice away from the people. We little people must always let our betters make our choices for us, or so we are told in school, at work, and at the polls.

Nonsense.

Our Constitutional Republic was created to protect the rights of citizens from the fear, ignorance, stupidity, bigotry, racism, apathy, and hate of the people.

As long as the people enact measures consistent with the Constitution, those measures will be respected as necessary, proper, and lawful.

And when the people err, and enact measures repugnant to the Constitution, those disadvantaged may seek relief in the courts to have un-Constitutional laws struck down and invalidated.

Indeed, that’s the true threat to the American Republic: contempt for the rule of law, not the two-party system.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It may not seem like it but America is in a constant state of change and conservatives hate change; that may be the reason we have lost a couple of major conservative parties already.

Conservatives don't hate change, we hate stupid moronic change that's typically hatched by stupid moronic Dem's and RINO's.

Of course you most others on the right hate change – you find it frightening because it makes you feel out of control, because change challenges conservative political, economic, and social dogma, and because change indeed proves that conservative dogma is failed and wrongheaded.

Conservative reactionaries fearful of change have always sought to oppose change – as authoritarians you seek to compel conformity and punish dissent.

That’s why Trump is your perfect representative: he’s a frightened, hateful, bigoted, racist authoritarian: he contrives ridiculous lies and demagoguery about ‘invading migrant criminals,’ Trump’s wall of bigotry and hate is an appropriate symbol of the frightened, reactionary right, and Trump’s unwarranted hostility toward transgender Americans is the perfect example of the right’s fear of dissent and desire to compel conformity.

Conservativism is the bane of the American Nation, conservatives’ fear, ignorance, and hate the true threat to the American people.

 

[Cellblock2429]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT


60% of Americans are not satisfied with either political party, in fact most would support a major 3rd political party. But what would a 3rd party look like? Any thoughts?


Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Most Americans want a third party. The agreement stops there

How much longer can the two-party system hold?

/——/ There are already tons of political parties. Pick one and join it

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

We don't NEED government. We WANT government. I'm lazy. I'm not spending my days off at the community center discussing the street cleaning schedule. There are old ladies with nothing else to do to take that bullet for me. And most people are like me. With no government it would be a clusterfuck of me's, and that would end terribly.

I know that's what we've been told by the worshipers of The State....But what if all of that really isn't true?

It's true because your libertarian utopia of no government has NEVER EXISTED in human history unless you want to go back to the stone age --- which maybe some conservatives would like

 

[Natural Citizen]

As I said in another thread, and I'll repeat it here, if we go back to 2014 Mid-Term, the number of Independent voters in America was 50%. In fact, Independent third party candidates in the 2014 Mid-Terms had the highest polling numbers in modern history.

Debate rules were changed because libertarians did so well that they were meeting the debate threshold. Independence party candidates were actually blocked from debates, even though they'd already won the right to do so. Third party candidates were illegally removed from ballots in places like Ohio where candidates like John Kasik didn't have to face a libertarian candidate because he was too much of a threat. But they were still strong enough to tip elections and force runoffs. We saw candadates in the libertarian party polling as high as 30%. It's unprecedented.

Then Trump came. He was something different. We'll have him 6 more years, max. The GOP will continue using him as a place holder until the ycan pave the way for a neocon. And who the heck wants Pence anyway? He's a boring neocon.

It's no wonder all we read and hear aboout now are moderates this, moderates that, let's all be moderates because unity.

No. Don't do that. That's what they want you to do. More moderates means less independents in the eyes of the party of one. More moderates means more anti-liberty legislation being peddled from both parties in Washington because unity.

The 2024 is wide open if you wanna charge. That's the time to do it. The only people who can even remotely pull it off, though, are the people who already have good, functional grassroots. People who understand the political and social process.

 

[whitehall]

We seem to see this whining display of political ignorance a lot these days. Maybe it's a democrat dirty trick to suppress voting or maybe people really are that ignorant about the system.There are a couple of political parties aside from R&D around today that can be considered "major" and there is no law against establishing and supporting anything you want including "dumb assed socialists of America" or "the hate Trump party". So in reality a 3rd party isn't needed, what is needed is support for a 3rd party and that ain't likely to happen but the beat goes on anyway

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

I want just one poor guy to be President. Give him 4-8 years. See how it works. He could be the genius who turns this country around.

Andrew Jackson was the last Common Man President, it will never happen again. Those that run it all will never allow a poor schmuck to run this country unless there is no money to be made...

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

We seem to see this whining display of political ignorance a lot these days. Maybe it's a democrat dirty trick to suppress voting or maybe people really are that ignorant about the system.There are a couple of political parties aside from R&D around today that can be considered "major" and there is no law against establishing and supporting anything you want including "dumb assed socialists of America" or "the hate Trump party". So in reality a 3rd party isn't needed, what is needed is support for a 3rd party and that ain't likely to happen but the beat goes on anyway

Libertarian and Green Political Parties are second tier but if more people would support the two then you might see the change some are wanting...

 

[RealDave]

There will never be a major third party until we change how elections are won. The top two vote getters run - off under the Electoral college.

This way third party vote will not hurt one major party candidate or the other.

 

[OldLady]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In most cases, it is. That's a fact. Hence the "lesser of two evils" vote pattern.

Now, if a party were to arise that actually approached the constitutional model of government in a more authentic and effective manner than the two dominant parties, we'd be talking.

There's also that little fact that education is the key to good government, because it is filled with would-be P.T. Barnums looking for that next sucker. Compared to even fifty years ago, American citizens are civic morons. That was accomplished with intent.

The biggest problem with the lesser of two evils is that they are still evil

And adding a third ‘evil’ isn’t the answer.

The notion that candidates of a third party would be pure, innocent, humble public servants is as naïve as it is ridiculous.

Everything that’s wrong with American politics, everything Americans hate about politics, and the disdain Americans have for the two-party system is solely the fault of the American people – they have only themselves to blame: their ignorance, their apathy, and their stupidity make every American complicit with what’s wrong with the political process.

It is not about finding a candidate less evil, it is about more accountability. In a two party system there is none for either party, no matter how badly they screw up things and screw over people they know they will be back in power sooner rather than later, it is just a given.

Add in a 3rd (or more) viable choice and then all of a sudden actions have consequences. There is no longer a guarantee of return to power.

How do some of the European countries end up with a bunch of "parties" forming alliances (that's the wrong word, I know) after they've gotten the largest amount of votes?

 

[Mac1958]

Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Desperately needed before the two ends tear this country apart.
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[BookShaka]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In America, voting third party is basically a wasted vote. I remember in 2016 wishing there was a realistic alternative to Trump and Clinton but there wasn’t. What will it take to implement a third party that poses real competition to the Dems and Republicans?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In America, voting third party is basically a wasted vote. I remember in 2016 wishing there was a realistic alternative to Trump and Clinton but there wasn’t. What will it take to implement a third party that poses real competition to the Dems and Republicans?

Ideas that follow the Constitution to the letter, that follow the course of individual liberty, and that will ultimately remove the federal government from everything not mandated it by the Constitution.

Just for starters.

 

[Votto]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT


60% of Americans are not satisfied with either political party, in fact most would support a major 3rd political party. But what would a 3rd party look like? Any thoughts?


Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Most Americans want a third party. The agreement stops there

How much longer can the two-party system hold?

From what I hear, New York is down to one political party with the dimocrats.

And from what I see with the GOP not repealing and replacing Obamacare like they promised, and passing on building the wall while in power, I wonder if that one party system is not really systemic.

But I understand what you are saying. It's nice to at least have the appearance of choice.

 

[JWBooth]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT


60% of Americans are not satisfied with either political party, in fact most would support a major 3rd political party. But what would a 3rd party look like? Any thoughts?


Perceived Need for Third Major Party Remains High in U.S.

Most Americans want a third party. The agreement stops there

How much longer can the two-party system hold?

None of the Above, that is an option people can get behind.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

There are approximately 35 political parties in the United States.

If most people wanted a third party with the clout of the dominant two, there would be one.

The fact is few people vote for third party candidates.

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In America, voting third party is basically a wasted vote. I remember in 2016 wishing there was a realistic alternative to Trump and Clinton but there wasn’t. What will it take to implement a third party that poses real competition to the Dems and Republicans?

People deciding that supporting one is not a wasted vote

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They have been brainwashed by the big two into believing that a 3rd party candidate is a vote for "the other person".

In most cases, it is. That's a fact. Hence the "lesser of two evils" vote pattern.

Now, if a party were to arise that actually approached the constitutional model of government in a more authentic and effective manner than the two dominant parties, we'd be talking.

There's also that little fact that education is the key to good government, because it is filled with would-be P.T. Barnums looking for that next sucker. Compared to even fifty years ago, American citizens are civic morons. That was accomplished with intent.

The biggest problem with the lesser of two evils is that they are still evil

And adding a third ‘evil’ isn’t the answer.

The notion that candidates of a third party would be pure, innocent, humble public servants is as naïve as it is ridiculous.

Everything that’s wrong with American politics, everything Americans hate about politics, and the disdain Americans have for the two-party system is solely the fault of the American people – they have only themselves to blame: their ignorance, their apathy, and their stupidity make every American complicit with what’s wrong with the political process.

It is not about finding a candidate less evil, it is about more accountability. In a two party system there is none for either party, no matter how badly they screw up things and screw over people they know they will be back in power sooner rather than later, it is just a given.

Add in a 3rd (or more) viable choice and then all of a sudden actions have consequences. There is no longer a guarantee of return to power.

How do some of the European countries end up with a bunch of "parties" forming alliances (that's the wrong word, I know) after they've gotten the largest amount of votes?

Coalitions, yes.

And this illustrates an important point: even with multiple parties governments are often difficult to form, and to govern is just as problematic.

Indeed, in most cases coalitions are created which result in a de facto two-party system, such as we see in Germany.

Whether in Europe or the US, multiple political parties isn’t a ‘panacea’ for those unhappy with a two-party system.