3rd Largest Health Insurer Will Likely Pullout Of ACA

[CrusaderFrank]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

 

[Moonglow]

And the agent's primarily interested in his fee. Before this year's deadline, do yourself a favor and check this out:

Subsidy Calculator Widget

You may save yourself a few $.

It wouldn't but thanks. It quotes me a no subsidy second cheapest silver plan estimate. My plan is no longer offered to new subscribers but is generally better than the silver plans because I have a lower deductible than most of those plans. The closest I could find just now going to the other website price wise to even what I am paying now has a slightly higher max out of pocket but the deductible is almost twice my current deductible.

Yipe. Sorry that happened to you. Whoever wins the election in November, that will change. For better or for worse? Hard to tell. In any case it will be a bumpy road to single-payer, but that's where it's going. Hang in there.

I don't see it getting any better under Hillary. If she cannot force me onto a worse exchange policy, I will continue to be soaked by the insurance companies to make up for their losses. The reason the government "saves" money is because the real subsidy comes off the government books from people like me.

Trump's "policy" on health care, like everything else, seems to change with the prevailing wind. But the Clintons, husband and wife, tried to reform healthcare decades ago.

Single-payer has to happen. The U.S. is the only industrialized nation that allows the insurers to rule. It has to change. The insurers know this, so they're scrambling to grab every dollar they can until it does.

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

You mean Soviet era Russians...?

 

[OnePercenter]

Awsome.

You're taking advise from a multi-millionaire that will benefit him greatly and screw you. Really smart.

I'm listening to his story.

Are you that much of a puppet ?

You're listening to his story and post it, and you call ME a puppet?

 

[OnePercenter]

Single-payer is inevitable.

I'd much rather see healthcare insurance forced into non-profit.

It could be the same--something like a single payer post office type entity. They have to be able to operate at a surplus and those surpluses invested into reserve accounts. If not, it will never be properly funded in a way that takes the political fingers out of the pudding.

What has our government done effectively.

If someone says Social Security, I'll be ROTFLMAO.

In 2015, over 59 million Americans received almost $870 billion in Social Security benefits.

 

[Dekster]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

False. I know, because I was in charge of contracting hospitals at one time, and us HMO's were contracted with hospitals for advantage plans at exactly the same rate as Medicare had contracted with hospitals.

 

[Dekster]

Medicare works. I'm covered by it, and it is as good as any coverage I have ever had, except for the RX doughnut hole. This country should simply extend medicare eligibility to all ages, and allow insurance companies to compete with it, like they do with Advantage plans.

BTW it only took 12 months to roll out Medicare from July 1965, when the law was signed.

Good Lord. Medicare works because it operates at a loss. There is a reason a lot of doctors limit the number of medicare patients they will take and won't touch medicaid patients. Medicare also works because depending on your hospital's contract, if you are going to be in their care for more than a few days, you might be shipped off to a long-term facility not even in your city.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

And no one starves ever in a market society? You idiot.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Medicare works. I'm covered by it, and it is as good as any coverage I have ever had, except for the RX doughnut hole. This country should simply extend medicare eligibility to all ages, and allow insurance companies to compete with it, like they do with Advantage plans.

BTW it only took 12 months to roll out Medicare from July 1965, when the law was signed.

Good Lord. Medicare works because it operates at a loss. There is a reason a lot of doctors limit the number of medicare patients they will take and won't touch medicaid patients. Medicare also works because depending on your hospital's contract, if you are going to be in their care for more than a few days, you might be shipped off to a long-term facility not even in your city.

A nation wide medicare system will work because doctors will not be able to deny service patients.

 

[Dekster]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

False. I know, because I was in charge of contracting hospitals at one time, and us HMO's were contracted with hospitals for advantage plans at exactly the same rate as Medicare had contracted with hospitals.

One time isn't 2016

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015

 

[JakeStarkey]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

False. I know, because I was in charge of contracting hospitals at one time, and us HMO's were contracted with hospitals for advantage plans at exactly the same rate as Medicare had contracted with hospitals.

One time isn't 2016

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015

Dekster, that means nothing.

 

[Dekster]

Medicare works. I'm covered by it, and it is as good as any coverage I have ever had, except for the RX doughnut hole. This country should simply extend medicare eligibility to all ages, and allow insurance companies to compete with it, like they do with Advantage plans.

BTW it only took 12 months to roll out Medicare from July 1965, when the law was signed.

Good Lord. Medicare works because it operates at a loss. There is a reason a lot of doctors limit the number of medicare patients they will take and won't touch medicaid patients. Medicare also works because depending on your hospital's contract, if you are going to be in their care for more than a few days, you might be shipped off to a long-term facility not even in your city.

A nation wide medicare system will work because doctors will not be able to deny service patients.

They can refuse to take insurance and require people to pay in cash. We will have a good system for wealthy people. Otherwise, if you get diagnosed with a tumor today, you will be dead by the time they get a biopsy completed.

 

[Dekster]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

False. I know, because I was in charge of contracting hospitals at one time, and us HMO's were contracted with hospitals for advantage plans at exactly the same rate as Medicare had contracted with hospitals.

One time isn't 2016

Doctors Face A Huge Medicare And Medicaid Pay Cut In 2015

Dekster, that means nothing.

LOL Fact may not mean anything to you, but the PPACA turned healthcare on its head already as part of its financing scheme. It is part of the reason small hospitals are shutting down at a rate about 1 per month, most of which are critical access facilities.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

And no one starves ever in a market society? You idiot.

Only when FDR was in charge

 

[JakeStarkey]

Medicare works. I'm covered by it, and it is as good as any coverage I have ever had, except for the RX doughnut hole. This country should simply extend medicare eligibility to all ages, and allow insurance companies to compete with it, like they do with Advantage plans.

BTW it only took 12 months to roll out Medicare from July 1965, when the law was signed.

Good Lord. Medicare works because it operates at a loss. There is a reason a lot of doctors limit the number of medicare patients they will take and won't touch medicaid patients. Medicare also works because depending on your hospital's contract, if you are going to be in their care for more than a few days, you might be shipped off to a long-term facility not even in your city.

A nation wide medicare system will work because doctors will not be able to deny service patients.

They can refuse to take insurance and require people to pay in cash. We will have a good system for wealthy people. Otherwise, if you get diagnosed with a tumor today, you will be dead by the time they get a biopsy completed.

No, you won't. That is simply your silly assertion.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

And no one starves ever in a market society? You idiot.

Only when FDR was in charge

Eleven died of starvation during the Hoover years, none during those of FDR.

 

[Dekster]

Medicare works. I'm covered by it, and it is as good as any coverage I have ever had, except for the RX doughnut hole. This country should simply extend medicare eligibility to all ages, and allow insurance companies to compete with it, like they do with Advantage plans.

BTW it only took 12 months to roll out Medicare from July 1965, when the law was signed.

Good Lord. Medicare works because it operates at a loss. There is a reason a lot of doctors limit the number of medicare patients they will take and won't touch medicaid patients. Medicare also works because depending on your hospital's contract, if you are going to be in their care for more than a few days, you might be shipped off to a long-term facility not even in your city.

A nation wide medicare system will work because doctors will not be able to deny service patients.

They can refuse to take insurance and require people to pay in cash. We will have a good system for wealthy people. Otherwise, if you get diagnosed with a tumor today, you will be dead by the time they get a biopsy completed.

No, you won't. That is simply your silly assertion.

It already happens in other countries. It already happens in this country. Doctors have made a lot of money doing boob jobs with no insurance coverage. My "silly assertion" is supported by reality. Yours is supported by your socks.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

And no one starves ever in a market society? You idiot.

Only when FDR was in charge

Eleven died of starvation during the Hoover years, none during those of FDR.

Millions died of starvation during the FDR Depression

 

[jon_berzerk]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

How you can tell it's doomed to fail "Force health corporation..."

Drink you coffee, wash your face, then read what you posted, then read what I posted, and then reply more clearly. Please.

Starkey's Progressive Mecca Venezuela where the government Forced food stores to stay stocked

Jake, with free enterprise, nobody, no government has to FORCE anyone to be competitive; the market take cares of that

at least jake thinks it is funny that folks are going without in the socialist paradise of Venezuela

 

[Grizz]

Single payer won't happen in our lifetimes. The logistics would be cold-war era russian to sort out.

No, it would not. Sign every one up by year groups in a medicare-type system, force health corporations to bid for contacts, and role it out over ten years.

The medicare-type system requires hospitals to treat people for the most part at or below cost. You are bankrupting the system unless you are one of those folks who think spit on it and rub some dirt over and you'll be fine is acceptable healthcare.

False. I know, because I was in charge of contracting hospitals at one time, and us HMO's were contracted with hospitals for advantage plans at exactly the same rate as Medicare had contracted with hospitals.

Which was still less than the going rate. No matter how you cut it, it is still price control.