.304 and a Batting Champion?

[Meathead]

Murphy pulled something similar for the Brewers, but the guy on third got hung out to dry. I get the logic behind WANTING a bunt, but wanting a bunt and having players who can reliably execute it are two different things.

I find it impossible to believe that such a bunt attempt has a higher expected success rate than letting the guy swing the bat. I think MLB managers outsmart themselves a lot with the bunt, especially in the playoffs. Plus, even with a halfway successful bunt with a guy on 3rd, so many other things have to go right... the defense has to misplay it, the runner has to read it perfectly, etc.

"Hope baseball". A SAC fly or a slow grounder takes the "hope" out of the equation.

Stott is a very good bunter but Castellianos a slow runner. No one out tying run at second, no double play - swing away.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Because the hitter is charged with a PA (plate appearance). Not an AB (so no effect on BA), but they still get charged with a PA. So .OBP goes down.

i would think the point you get for the flyball would balance that out......

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

i would think the point you get for the flyball would balance that out......

Yeah, I'm sure the player (and definitely the entire team and manager) cares more about the RBI than he does the downtick in .OBP.

Over a season, it doesnt do a whole lot. The 2025 leader in SAC flies is Pete Crow Armstrong, with 12, in 647 PAs.

Take those 12 PAs out of the total, and his .OBP for the season goes from .287 to .293.

For an additional 12 RBIs? A player takes that trade all day.

 

[rightwinger]

WAR is a very useful stat for measuring a player's production compared to his peers in a given season. And thats the name of the game, when it comes to spending on players within a budget.

WAR is a made up number

At the end of the year, add up the WAR for every player on a team and compare to how many games they actually won.

It is not even close. WAR has nothing to do with wins

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

At the end of the year, add up the WAR for every player on a team and compare to how many games they actually won.

Then you are doing it wrong. That isn't how WAR is designed. It's a comparative stat that is calculated independently of (but correlates strongly to) team wins.

For an average MLB player, WAR is about 2.

WAR demonstrably correlates very strongly with team wins, over the whole. Every season, every time.

Here is 2018:

 

[gold something]

WAR is a made up number

At the end of the year, add up the WAR for every player on a team and compare to how many games they actually won.

It is not even close. WAR has nothing to do with wins

WAR is nothing but speculation. As retarded as OPS.

 

[Harry Dresden]

WAR is nothing but speculation. As retarded as OPS.

its all figured mathematically....how can that number be a speculation?...

 

[gold something]

its all figured mathematically....how can that number be a speculation?...

No, it is not. It's speculation. It's arbitrary. Combining a bunch of stats like that is hardly math.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

WAR is nothing but speculation. As retarded as OPS.

Then you dont understand WAR. Or OPS, haha.

 

[leftwinger]

testing.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No, it is not. It's speculation. It's arbitrary. Combining a bunch of stats like that is hardly math.

oh it isnt?...ok...you just cant figure out what the numbers mean so you dont like them...

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

oh it isnt?...ok...you just cant figure out what the numbers mean so you dont like them...

Or, a better challenge... show us a player stat that correlates more well to team wins than WAR does. See him in never, because it doesn't exist.

Then show the only two player stats that demonstrate run production better than OPS does. Both are advanced metric stats: wRC+ and wOBA. If he thinks OPS is nonsense, then these stats will be even more mystifying to him.

 

[rightwinger]

WAR is nothing but speculation. As retarded as OPS.

OPS is redundant
If you hit a double it counts as a hit and then as 2B

Why not just add walks to slugging ?

 

[rightwinger]

Or, a better challenge... show us a player stat that correlates more well to team wins than WAR does. See him in never, because it doesn't exist.

Then show the only two player stats that demonstrate run production better than OPS does. Both are advanced metric stats: wRC+ and wOBA. If he thinks OPS is nonsense, then these stats will be even more mystifying to him.

I’ll give you one

Total Bases/Plate Appearances

Total Bases= Walks+ Singles+Doubles+ Triples+HR + Steals-CS

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

OPS is redundant
If you hit a double it counts as a hit and then as 2B

Why not just add walks to slugging ?

Simple: the stat you create will not correlate as well to run production as OPS does.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Total Bases/Plate Appearances

Does not correlates as well to run production.

 

[rightwinger]

Does not correlates as well to run production.

It is an actual representation of your offensive production
How many bases you actually produce

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is an actual representation of your offensive production
How many bases you actually produce

So is just looking at numbers of hits.

Runs win games, not hits.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It is an actual representation of your offensive production
How many bases you actually produce

Total bases is a decent measure, but let's go back to the slappy hitter example.

Take a guy that has 200 hits and 30 doubles. 230 TB

Now take a guy that has 120 hits and 35 HR. 225 TB

Guy #2 will generally produce more runs than guy #1 does.

 

[BackAgain]

I love small ball and have for 40 years.

The problem is that nobody is GOOD at it anymore.

A well executed bunt at the right time is a great tool. But I see very few major leaguers have that talent anymore.

Of course I enjoy seeing a man like Judge demolish a baseball 60 or so times in a good year. But I also lament the fact that the major leagues have forgotten (to a large extent) something as basic as advancing a base runner.

I’m an optimist more often than not. So, I believe a dynamic combination of small ball mixed with some swinging for the seats may make an appearance, soon.