3 People (Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos & Warren Buffett) are richer than the poorest 50% of Americans

[Indeependent]

Now drop the facade and take a stand on infrastruture.
Take a stand on a police force.
Let us hear where you stand on these issues.

Alright. Taking a stand: All those things are fine. Any other crazy misconceptions would you like dispelled?

Nope.
Thank you taking a stand on something.

How about Robber Barons using State Militia to maim and murder workers?

How about corporate contributors lying to congress?
Just wondering.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Not enough good manufacturing jobs and too much Third World labor driving down wages.

Tell it to trump. He sends all his manufacturing out of the country and hired illegals and foreigners.

Hell he even married an illegal whore who did lesbian porn.


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[Luddly Neddite]

what's wrong with America? WHAT'S WRONG WITH AMERICA?

Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett are richer than poorest half of US

Bill Gates has done more for mankind than probably anyone who has ever lived. Why are you mad at him?

And all three earned it.

Unlike trump who had his given to him and has still failed at almost everything he’s ever done. Now failing as prez.


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[Soupnazi630]

Idk about bezos but the other 2 probably GIVE BACK more than 50% of what the rest of the entire country does. So what exactly is the point here?

The point is...

Why do we continue to help them accumulate wealth?

WE do not.

Buy their product or do not. If you do not want them to get your money simply do not buy what they sell

We sure do

We expect them to contribute less and less

No we do not.

You do not speak for others.

says you while using the word "we" in stating your "opinion":.

That is because I am part of the so called " we " and if I disagree then the statement is proven false

 

[Soupnazi630]

They shouldn't. But if the government has the power to redistribute wealth, the people who want wealth the most will try the hardest to control the process.

That's the cruel irony of socialism. It doesn't do away with greed and economic power. It just changes the game so that the key to success is manipulating government policy rather than satisfying customers.

The pharmacy lobbyists, who convinced congress to make it illegal for the government to negotiate the price of prescription Medicare drugs, are socialists?

dblack is a Libertarian...a neo-Con who doesn't want to pay for anything.

Wow... you're even more deluded than I thought. Libertarians are neo-cons in your world? Tell me more.

With everything but war.
You're a bunch of cheap, opportunistic *****.

real libertarians would be pro choice and pro marriage equality .... like goldwater was.

The libertarian party is pro choice and pro marriage equality.

Most libertarians agree.

You are clearly misinformed about libertarians

 

[Soupnazi630]

Yep. But government ≠ society.

We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union.......

created a Constitution which, specifically and deliberately, limits the power of government over We the People.

Nice dodge

We the People created a government in a document we like to call "The Constitution"
A government of the people, by the people and for the people (thanks Abe)

It's not a dodge. I'm pointing out an error in your conception of the kind of government the Constitution authorizes. The founders never wanted totalitarian government. They never saw people as the property of the state. They insisted it should be the other way around. That's the irony of you going around chanting "We the People". You seem to think it's a rallying cry for socialists, when it fact it's the opposite. The slogan emphasizes the primacy of people over government. We the People create government, and government serves at our discretion - not, as you would have it - the other way around.

Very true

Our people are not the property of the state....they ARE the state

Nor of each other which is why your pompous quoting of the constitution is a massive fail.

It does not equate to people being owned by society which was your original claim

 

[dblack]

How about Robber Barons using State Militia to maim and murder workers?

How about corporate contributors lying to congress?
Just wondering.

Both of those should be illegal. Anything else? Aren't you going to ask about the puppies?

 

[Indeependent]

How about Robber Barons using State Militia to maim and murder workers?

How about corporate contributors lying to congress?
Just wondering.

Both of those should be illegal. Anything else? Aren't you going to ask about the puppies?

Thanks for letting us know what a rat Bill Gates is.

 

[dblack]

How about Robber Barons using State Militia to maim and murder workers?

How about corporate contributors lying to congress?
Just wondering.

Both of those should be illegal. Anything else? Aren't you going to ask about the puppies?

Thanks for letting us know what a rat Bill Gates is.

You're welcome. You sure do have a boner for Bill Gates.

But thank you, as well, for helping to clear up some of the common misconceptions about Libertarians.

 

[Correll]

Not enough good manufacturing jobs and too much Third World labor driving down wages.

Tell it to trump. He sends all his manufacturing out of the country and hired illegals and foreigners.
...m

he knows, hell, that's why he walked away from TPP.

 

[rightwinger]

... a government of the people, by the people and for the people

Of, by, and for - not IS.

What is left?

 

[rightwinger]

We the People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union.......

created a Constitution which, specifically and deliberately, limits the power of government over We the People.

Nice dodge

We the People created a government in a document we like to call "The Constitution"
A government of the people, by the people and for the people (thanks Abe)

It's not a dodge. I'm pointing out an error in your conception of the kind of government the Constitution authorizes. The founders never wanted totalitarian government. They never saw people as the property of the state. They insisted it should be the other way around. That's the irony of you going around chanting "We the People". You seem to think it's a rallying cry for socialists, when it fact it's the opposite. The slogan emphasizes the primacy of people over government. We the People create government, and government serves at our discretion - not, as you would have it - the other way around.

Very true

Our people are not the property of the state....they ARE the state

Nor of each other which is why your pompous quoting of the constitution is a massive fail.

It does not equate to people being owned by society which was your original claim

We ARE society

 

[jillian]

So that's it. There's no debate about what constitutes the exact welfare at all. We have a program where we distribute tax dollars to people and call it welfare and that's it that entirely fits into what the general welfare was supposed to mean from the framers in the 1700's. I'm sure after literally fighting a war to regain independence over the issue of excessive taxation the framers totally intended for us to take from people who work to give to people who don't

Even this is making an unjustified leap. The general welfare clause is a qualifier on the taxation power. The statist's wedge depends on the proposition that the taxation power has, hidden within it, an implied spending power, a power limited only by the vague concept of 'general welfare'. A taxation power, without a complementary spending power, is incomplete and pointless (or so the argument goes) - so we must assume that the taxation power is also a spending power, and the clauses aren't limitations on the taxation power, but instead justifications for a broad, general power to spend.

But the claim that, since no spending power is specified, we must assume it's an implied part of the taxation power is specious. The "necessary and proper" clause authorizes Congress to perform the required actions to perform their enumerated powers, including spending money to finance those efforts. The difference is that the necessary and proper clause still limits Congress to the enumerated powers.

real libertarians are.

but that isn't what we see among the majority of people calling themselves "libertarians".

Poll registered Libertarians. I think you'll be surprised. Your boogey-man is imaginary.

Libertarians do not know what they want


They only know what they don't want....which is pretty much everything

they're babies who stamp their feet when they're told they have to live by rules... you know, like not dumping chemicals in drinking water.

It's so much fun to build a strawman. You forgot about kicking puppies. We love kicking puppies.

how is that a straw man?

 

[Soupnazi630]

created a Constitution which, specifically and deliberately, limits the power of government over We the People.

Nice dodge

We the People created a government in a document we like to call "The Constitution"
A government of the people, by the people and for the people (thanks Abe)

It's not a dodge. I'm pointing out an error in your conception of the kind of government the Constitution authorizes. The founders never wanted totalitarian government. They never saw people as the property of the state. They insisted it should be the other way around. That's the irony of you going around chanting "We the People". You seem to think it's a rallying cry for socialists, when it fact it's the opposite. The slogan emphasizes the primacy of people over government. We the People create government, and government serves at our discretion - not, as you would have it - the other way around.

Very true

Our people are not the property of the state....they ARE the state

Nor of each other which is why your pompous quoting of the constitution is a massive fail.

It does not equate to people being owned by society which was your original claim

We ARE society

No we are not.

Society is merely an idea it is not a real thing

 

[dblack]

they're babies who stamp their feet when they're told they have to live by rules... you know, like not dumping chemicals in drinking water.

It's so much fun to build a strawman. You forgot about kicking puppies. We love kicking puppies.

how is that a straw man?

Because it isn't true. LIbertarians DO believe in following the rules. And no, libertarians don't think anyone should be allowed to pollute the commons.

Listen, just because libertarians oppose your idea for a new government program doesn't mean we don't believe in following the rules. It doesn't mean we're anarchists and it doesn't mean we don't care about social problems. It just means we see the role of government differently than you do.

 

[dblack]

... a government of the people, by the people and for the people

Of, by, and for - not IS.

What is left?

You seem to conceive of government as the heart and soul of society. It's that perspective I find so repulsive, particularly considering who is currently running our government. No, a society is much more than its government.

 

[rightwinger]

... a government of the people, by the people and for the people

Of, by, and for - not IS.

What is left?

You seem to conceive of government as the heart and soul of society. It's that perspective I find so repulsive, particularly considering who is currently running our government. No, a society is much more than its government.

Every society forms a government...they cannot function without one

The ones running our government were elected by We the People
If we do not like them, we have only ourselves to blame

 

[rightwinger]

Nice dodge

We the People created a government in a document we like to call "The Constitution"
A government of the people, by the people and for the people (thanks Abe)

It's not a dodge. I'm pointing out an error in your conception of the kind of government the Constitution authorizes. The founders never wanted totalitarian government. They never saw people as the property of the state. They insisted it should be the other way around. That's the irony of you going around chanting "We the People". You seem to think it's a rallying cry for socialists, when it fact it's the opposite. The slogan emphasizes the primacy of people over government. We the People create government, and government serves at our discretion - not, as you would have it - the other way around.

Very true

Our people are not the property of the state....they ARE the state

Nor of each other which is why your pompous quoting of the constitution is a massive fail.

It does not equate to people being owned by society which was your original claim

We ARE society

No we are not.

Society is merely an idea it is not a real thing

Which planet to you reside on?
Forming societies is what made humans the dominant species on earth

 

[dblack]

Every society forms a government...they cannot function without one

So what? Your claim is that government IS society, not that every society has one.

The ones running our government were elected by We the People
If we do not like them, we have only ourselves to blame

And if government has the power to dictate every aspect of our lives, we have only government cultists like you to blame.

 

[TroglocratsRdumb]

what's wrong with America? WHAT'S WRONG WITH AMERICA?

Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and Warren Buffett are richer than poorest half of US

sooooo if you took all of their money and gave it to the worthless lazy freeloader Troglocrat Voters would they be happy then? no