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Actually the intent is to force Republicans to vote for the Health Insurance Destruction Bill. Any Republican with the gall to vote no will be exposed as being Anti-gun rights and accused of wanting to circumvent the 2nd Amendment... in other words, the tactic is deceitful politics at its finest.
I pray the Republicans don't cave in that easily.
Immie
C'mon. Seriously. The gun lobby raises hell about this non-existent 'threat'... so it's addressed in the manager's amendment and now it's "deceit"? Considering this was included as a compromise with and for the Republicans, does that mean they want to out their own as anti-gun?
Why should he even bothered? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
Why should he be bothered?
What ever it takes to defeat the "enemy".
The deceitful part is the using the language to claim that Senator "Soandso" is against gun rights because he voted against the Health Insurance Deformation Act of 2009. You see they will claim that anyone who votes against the destruction of the Health Insurance companies (which is what this bill is going to be when they reconcile the two plans and throw the public "Option" back in) only voted against it because they were opposed to guns.
The bastards in Washington are just plain deceitful in that manner.
Immie
And PS: for the most part that was meant as a joke.
They were? Health insurance companies were already forbidden from using gun ownership and use to deny coverage, reduce benefits or charge increased premiums? Would you please cite that Federal statute?Actually the intent is to force Republicans to vote for the Health Insurance Destruction Bill. Any Republican with the gall to vote no will be exposed as being Anti-gun rights and accused of wanting to circumvent the 2nd Amendment... in other words, the tactic is deceitful politics at its finest.
I pray the Republicans don't cave in that easily.
Immie
C'mon. Seriously. The gun lobby raises hell about this non-existent 'threat'... so it's addressed in the manager's amendment and now it's "deceit"? Considering this was included as a compromise with and for the Republicans, does that mean they want to out their own as anti-gun?
Why should he even bothered? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
All of those htings were already illegal.
Again, this was a manager's amendment.The sole purpose was for political gain. The Democrats are the most cynical party in history.
C'mon. Seriously. The gun lobby raises hell about this non-existent 'threat'... so it's addressed in the manager's amendment and now it's "deceit"? Considering this was included as a compromise with and for the Republicans, does that mean they want to out their own as anti-gun?
Why should he even bothered? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
Why should he be bothered?
What ever it takes to defeat the "enemy".
The deceitful part is the using the language to claim that Senator "Soandso" is against gun rights because he voted against the Health Insurance Deformation Act of 2009. You see they will claim that anyone who votes against the destruction of the Health Insurance companies (which is what this bill is going to be when they reconcile the two plans and throw the public "Option" back in) only voted against it because they were opposed to guns.
The bastards in Washington are just plain deceitful in that manner.
Immie
And PS: for the most part that was meant as a joke.
I doubt that would fly considering it was a 380-page amendment and this part was probably the least of the issues addressed.
Granted lol.Why should he be bothered?
What ever it takes to defeat the "enemy".
The deceitful part is the using the language to claim that Senator "Soandso" is against gun rights because he voted against the Health Insurance Deformation Act of 2009. You see they will claim that anyone who votes against the destruction of the Health Insurance companies (which is what this bill is going to be when they reconcile the two plans and throw the public "Option" back in) only voted against it because they were opposed to guns.
The bastards in Washington are just plain deceitful in that manner.
Immie
And PS: for the most part that was meant as a joke.
I doubt that would fly considering it was a 380-page amendment and this part was probably the least of the issues addressed.
I honestly don't think they care whether or not it would fly. They bad mouth each other at whatever opportunity they get.
Would it fly with most voters? No, probably not, but that would not stop them for trying it.
Immie
They were? Health insurance companies were already forbidden from using gun ownership and use to deny coverage, reduce benefits or charge increased premiums? Would you please cite that Federal statute?All of those htings were already illegal.
Again, this was a manager's amendment.[/QUOTE]The sole purpose was for political gain. The Democrats are the most cynical party in history.
Try reading ALLL of what you posted. Keeping a database of gun owners is already illegal.
Gathering information like the bill lays out is already illegal. If it is, then why are they including it here, in a bill addressed to insurance reform?
Try reading ALLL of what you posted. Keeping a database of gun owners is already illegal.
Gathering information like the bill lays out is already illegal. If it is, then why are they including it here, in a bill addressed to insurance reform?
Hmm. Illegal for the government to keep a database of gun owners? How then are they able to trace ownership of guns used in crimes?
BTW, the database referred to in the bill doesn't exist yet.
So I ask again, do you have that statute that makes it illegal to keep a database of gun owners and for health insurance companies to use gun ownership and use to deny coverage, increase premiums and reduce benefits/discounts?
Sounds like 'tracing ownership' to me. BTW, how is that done without a database?Try reading ALLL of what you posted. Keeping a database of gun owners is already illegal.
Gathering information like the bill lays out is already illegal. If it is, then why are they including it here, in a bill addressed to insurance reform?
Hmm. Illegal for the government to keep a database of gun owners? How then are they able to trace ownership of guns used in crimes?
BTW, the database referred to in the bill doesn't exist yet.
So I ask again, do you have that statute that makes it illegal to keep a database of gun owners and for health insurance companies to use gun ownership and use to deny coverage, increase premiums and reduce benefits/discounts?
Wow, ignorant much?
They generally cannot trace ownership of guns i crimes. They can find out, usually, who the first owner was.
But that's illegal! lolUnless the person bought multiple handguns, and there they do keep a database.
the current gop is the cancer killing intelligent debate and progression of the country
They are certainly the most paranoid people on the face of the planet...
I think much of it has to do with ignorance & fear of the unknown. they are scared that their children might have to learn science and non-violent solutions to problems. they are also worried that their kids might reach the liberal internet and gain access to ideas not specifically sanctioned by the town pastor and fox news.
C'mon. Seriously. The gun lobby raises hell about this non-existent 'threat'... so it's addressed in the manager's amendment and now it's "deceit"? Considering this was included as a compromise with and for the Republicans, does that mean they want to out their own as anti-gun?
the current gop is the cancer killing intelligent debate and progression of the country
the current Political parties are the cancer killing intelligent debate and progression of the country. To think that either side is better or worse is to be ignorant of past political history. Partisan politics is the real cancer on this country though it keeps the politicians safe and free to go on with their power grab.
This is virtually an admission of the the deceit behind the gun cult's worship of guns. Wellness programs are designed to sanction dangerous behaviors because they create risk which leads to medical expense. For instance, a wellness program might reduce benefits for smokers and obese persons in hopes of getting them to change their risky behaviors. Such programs might require beneficiaries to report their behavior and enter smoking cessation and weight loss programs. Heading-off the gun reporting requirement is an admission of the extreme danger guns create.
This is virtually an admission of the the deceit behind the gun cult's worship of guns. Wellness programs are designed to sanction dangerous behaviors because they create risk which leads to medical expense. For instance, a wellness program might reduce benefits for smokers and obese persons in hopes of getting them to change their risky behaviors. Such programs might require beneficiaries to report their behavior and enter smoking cessation and weight loss programs. Heading-off the gun reporting requirement is an admission of the extreme danger guns create.
...Guns dont create danger dipshit....the person in possession of it does ......
See, but this is the classic "FoxNews-type" negative thinking going on here.
What if the Democrats didn't do this for political gain at all? What if they did it because it was the right thing to do?
Just sayin'....
Vast LWC;1836292 See said:97% of politicians today dont do nothing unless there is some gain for them or their dam party.....the right thing to do....my ass....
Wow....you mean like the healthcare bill?
Vast LWC;1836292 See said:97% of politicians today dont do nothing unless there is some gain for them or their dam party.....the right thing to do....my ass....
Wow....you mean like the healthcare bill?
ok....lets go with that....
Emma, I'm sorry. You're just too fucking stupid and arrogant for me to explain this. Go research firearms laws, especially the doings of the Reno Justice Dept. Then look at Multiple Handgun Sales Reports and NCIC and that should answer your questions.
Good luck.