25 yr. old "Sovereign Citizen" killed in Utah.

Or from wiki

The sovereign citizen movement anti-government activists, tax protesters, financial scammers (Trump), and conspiracy theorists based mainly in the United States. Sovereign citizens have their own pseudolegal belief system based on misinterpretations of common law THE CONSTITUTION and claim to not be subject to any government statutes, unless they consent to them. The movement appeared in the United States in the early 1970s and has since expanded to other countries: the similar freeman on the land movement emerged during the 2000s in Canada before spreading to other Commonwealth countries.The FBI describes sovereign citizens as "anti-government extremists

Bet you side with them over the FBI
Bet you side with them over the FBI

This is a case of the deadly Black Brain Disease that stupid people of every race are vulnerable to

I’m not a sovereign citizen but I dont think the FBI is on my my side either

They would love to exterminate all trump supporters if they could
 
Of course we don't have "proof", other than that former member who made no attempt to disguise he being of Russian background saying you went to college in the Ukraine at some point in your sorry life.

In other words McRib, if I accuse you of diddling stuffed dolls, that now qualifies as proof you are a sick pervert to all future readers? No one ever accused me of going to college in Ukraine and if you had even a sliver of a brain, you'd ask yourself how an admitted russian troll could even possibly know that much less be believed.

It obviously don't take but a sliver of brains to be a leftist like you.

Now you work for a few rubles a day spreading bullshit on the internet. I do hope you have some other source of income.
Sure, fuckwad, all you have to do now is get your hand out of your pants and actually back it up with proof.

And just how would I live on a few rubles a day? Not only is the ruble worthless, but didn't Joe Biden block their use practically worldwide, you fucking mouth-breathing troglodytic moron?
 
Keep telling yourself that gunning a man down in cold blood over a state fee is OK if it helps you sleep at night.

He died because he chose to resist a lawful arrest with a firearm.

He could have complied and had his day in court with zero risk to himself or the officers.

He chose the stupid way and and Darwin's law applies.

You can't argue Darwin's law, even in court.
 
He died because he chose to resist a lawful arrest with a firearm.
Guess he got sick of living under a federal tyranny.

He chose the stupid way and and Darwin's law applies.
Now you are deciding another man's actions? Clearly, this guy did not see it that way.

Bottom line is that had the cops not pressed the issue, they would not have forced the gunfight. Instead, they felt it more important to risk their lives like good little rule followers and shoot a man dead, all over a missing license plate state licensing fee to pay for highway repairs.
 
In other words McRib, if I accuse you of diddling stuffed dolls, that now qualifies as proof you are a sick pervert to all future readers? No one ever accused me of going to college in Ukraine and if you had even a sliver of a brain, you'd ask yourself how an admitted russian troll could even possibly know that much less be believed.
Because you work for the same people, and your world is a small one.

I didn't need him outing you to know you are a Russian troll, he only confirmed it. I knew as soon as I started reading your posts you are a Russian troll.
 
OK, you don't want to be part of society, fine, but you can't use public roadways, that are paid for and maintained by gas and income taxes, which you also refuse to pay.



A 25-year-old man who espoused beliefs that aligned with the so-called “sovereign citizen” movement was shot dead by police officers in Utah after being pulled over for driving without a proper license plate.

On March 1, Chase Allan, 25, was pulled over by police in the small Utah town of Farmington after cops noticed he was driving without a legitimate license plate. In its stead was a plate that read “American State Citizen, Utah” and featured the U.S. seal—something an expert described as a sovereign citizen symbol.

Police released body camera footage of the shooting on Wednesday afternoon, which shows Allan speaking through a small crack in the window and refusing to provide his ID. "I don't need registration, and I don't answer questions,” Allan tells the police officer.

Eventually Allan provides the officer with his passport although he refuses to say that he is Chase Allan and adds that the passport is just a piece of plastic. “If you don’t step out we’re going to break the window and pull you out,” a cop tells Allan, who does not leave the vehicle and instead states, “We’re going to have an issue.”

Police then move in to remove him from the vehicle, and one repeatedly says “gun.” During a press conference revealing the footage Wednesday, Farmington Police Chief Eric Johnsen noted on the screen that Allan’s gun holster was initially obscured in the car and the weapon was eventually visible on the floor. It’s unclear if Allan was reaching for it at any point as he was also holding a cell phone.

Within seconds of the officer yelling “gun,” a barrage of shots ring out, hitting Allan, who later died at a hospital.

Allan was hit 12 times, according to the family, who described the situation as a “brutal murder” and raised questions about if the arrest was targeted, an idea the police rejected. In an emotional Facebook post, Allan’s sister wrote that police were “stonewalling” them and that they learned about his death from the news.

“I don’t want to speculate, but I think the initial officer made a really interesting comment to the driver that ‘this is going to go the way you decide it’s going to go,’” said Chief Johnsen when asked if he thought the situation could have gone any other way.

Allan lived at home with his parents who described him as a “son, brother, grandson, nephew, peer, teammate, student and neighbor amongst many other important roles he played within our community.”

“He has been studying law the last few years and was a patriot doing what he could to defend the people’s freedom and liberty in his community,” his family wrote about him.

While Allan’s beliefs aren’t definitively known, there are several indications he was an adherent to the sovereign citizen movement, which can be best described as a group of people who believe they’re not bound by the laws of the country they reside in. Driving without a legitimate license plate, refusing to cooperate with police officers, and claiming independence from the laws of the land are typical in the movement.

Allan’s family rejected the term “sovereign citizen,” instead describing him as a “state national.” In a statement made to Heavy.com, Allan’s sister said, “The term sovereign citizen has been used by certain entities to weaponize government and law enforcement against the people.” However, according to sovereign citizen expert Christine Sarteschi “aside from a bit of difference in nomenclature, they are the same.”


Allan had previously interrupted a court hearing over his mother’s traffic violation—where she was ticketed for driving an unregistered and uninsured car without a license—and was so disruptive he had to be removed from the courthouse. Both Allan and his mother had used arguments tied to the sovereign citizen movement in the courthouse.

Sovereign citizen ideology has been around for decades but experienced a resurgence in popularity during the pandemic. Across the world, people were using the ideas from the community to refuse to comply with COVID-19 health restrictions. Despite the departure of government health regulations, the growth of the sovereign citizen movement has not slowed down.

Sovereign citizens have a longstanding history of not cooperating with police and, in some cases, being so anti-authority it leads to violence. In a recent case in Australia, two police officers and a neighbor were ambushed and killed by three people. The three were then shot dead during a police raid following the killings.



The police need to change in the US.

1) Less army guys
2) Better training
3) All police should belong to the same force
 
OK, you don't want to be part of society, fine, but you can't use public roadways, that are paid for and maintained by gas and income taxes, which you also refuse to pay.



A 25-year-old man who espoused beliefs that aligned with the so-called “sovereign citizen” movement was shot dead by police officers in Utah after being pulled over for driving without a proper license plate.

On March 1, Chase Allan, 25, was pulled over by police in the small Utah town of Farmington after cops noticed he was driving without a legitimate license plate. In its stead was a plate that read “American State Citizen, Utah” and featured the U.S. seal—something an expert described as a sovereign citizen symbol.

Police released body camera footage of the shooting on Wednesday afternoon, which shows Allan speaking through a small crack in the window and refusing to provide his ID. "I don't need registration, and I don't answer questions,” Allan tells the police officer.

Eventually Allan provides the officer with his passport although he refuses to say that he is Chase Allan and adds that the passport is just a piece of plastic. “If you don’t step out we’re going to break the window and pull you out,” a cop tells Allan, who does not leave the vehicle and instead states, “We’re going to have an issue.”

Police then move in to remove him from the vehicle, and one repeatedly says “gun.” During a press conference revealing the footage Wednesday, Farmington Police Chief Eric Johnsen noted on the screen that Allan’s gun holster was initially obscured in the car and the weapon was eventually visible on the floor. It’s unclear if Allan was reaching for it at any point as he was also holding a cell phone.

Within seconds of the officer yelling “gun,” a barrage of shots ring out, hitting Allan, who later died at a hospital.

Allan was hit 12 times, according to the family, who described the situation as a “brutal murder” and raised questions about if the arrest was targeted, an idea the police rejected. In an emotional Facebook post, Allan’s sister wrote that police were “stonewalling” them and that they learned about his death from the news.

“I don’t want to speculate, but I think the initial officer made a really interesting comment to the driver that ‘this is going to go the way you decide it’s going to go,’” said Chief Johnsen when asked if he thought the situation could have gone any other way.

Allan lived at home with his parents who described him as a “son, brother, grandson, nephew, peer, teammate, student and neighbor amongst many other important roles he played within our community.”

“He has been studying law the last few years and was a patriot doing what he could to defend the people’s freedom and liberty in his community,” his family wrote about him.

While Allan’s beliefs aren’t definitively known, there are several indications he was an adherent to the sovereign citizen movement, which can be best described as a group of people who believe they’re not bound by the laws of the country they reside in. Driving without a legitimate license plate, refusing to cooperate with police officers, and claiming independence from the laws of the land are typical in the movement.

Allan’s family rejected the term “sovereign citizen,” instead describing him as a “state national.” In a statement made to Heavy.com, Allan’s sister said, “The term sovereign citizen has been used by certain entities to weaponize government and law enforcement against the people.” However, according to sovereign citizen expert Christine Sarteschi “aside from a bit of difference in nomenclature, they are the same.”


Allan had previously interrupted a court hearing over his mother’s traffic violation—where she was ticketed for driving an unregistered and uninsured car without a license—and was so disruptive he had to be removed from the courthouse. Both Allan and his mother had used arguments tied to the sovereign citizen movement in the courthouse.

Sovereign citizen ideology has been around for decades but experienced a resurgence in popularity during the pandemic. Across the world, people were using the ideas from the community to refuse to comply with COVID-19 health restrictions. Despite the departure of government health regulations, the growth of the sovereign citizen movement has not slowed down.

Sovereign citizens have a longstanding history of not cooperating with police and, in some cases, being so anti-authority it leads to violence. In a recent case in Australia, two police officers and a neighbor were ambushed and killed by three people. The three were then shot dead during a police raid following the killings.


Like everyone else, he's slave to the system. An invisible non-tangible entity (the law) is your owner. If people think they are free, they don't have much in the attic.
 
Nope... he had complete control of his actions every step of the way.
Yes, he made a conscious decision to refuse paying the state for a license registration.

The only person who chose his fate was him.
He did not choose to point a gun at him and pull the trigger. He was backed into a corner where he felt he had no other choice by cops who put adherence to trivial laws above human life, resulting in the exchange of gunfire. I guarantee you I could have gotten the guy to comply without threatening his life.
 
Because you work for the same people,
Look a-hole, you have no idea who, if anyone, I "work" for.

and your world is a small one.
Not as small as that pinhead brain of yours.

I didn't need him outing you to know you are a Russian troll
In other words, you think you just psychically "divined" it, right, jerkoff? You're even more fucked in the head than I previously divined.

I knew as soon as I started reading your posts you are a Russian troll.
You wouldn't know shit from shinola.
 
Bet you side with them over the FBI

This is a case of the deadly Black Brain Disease that stupid people of every race are vulnerable to

I’m not a sovereign citizen but I dont think the FBI is on my my side either

They would love to exterminate all trump supporters if they could

If Trump didn't get caught breaking 4 laws maybe you could say "see, after all these years, nothing". But you can't. He's been charged.

But for years you believed the Clinton's were guilty of something, without evidence.

And today you believe Biden is guilty, without evidence.

Someone said yesterday that being president was just Trump's side gig. He was making deals for his business' most of the time. If you wanted to come see Trump you had to stay at his hotel. Saudi Arabia had an image problem after murdering that reporter? That's okay. Just give Jared Kushner $3 billion dollars and we'll do business with you guys. And buy a lot of our weapons. Make me look good. But don't forget to give Jared $3 billion dollars.

That's not even including how much Trump made from foreign governments in those 4 years.
 
If Trump didn't get caught breaking 4 laws maybe you could say "see, after all these years, nothing". But you can't. He's been charged.
As Stalin’s flunky Beria used to say, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

We see the Deep State investigating trump with a microscope while it refuses to investigate biden’s son

So libs can take their corrupt judicial system and stick it where the sun dont shine
 
As Stalin’s flunky Beria used to say, “Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime”

We see the Deep State investigating trump with a microscope while it refuses to investigate biden’s son

So libs can take their corrupt judicial system and stick it where the sun dont shine
Refuses to investigate Biden's son? The GOP house is investigating and has so far turned up nothing. Stop being ridiculous.

I just posted this on another thread but based on what I'm reading, seems like Trump is in bed with conspiracy theorists like Sovereign Citizens. I'm sure some Proud Boys are Sovereign Citizen nuts.

The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right, neo-fascist militant organization that promotes and engages in political violence.[1][14][15] The group's leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the United States government, including the constitutionally prescribed transfer of presidential power.[16] It has been called a street gang[17][18] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada[19][20] and New Zealand.[13] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and for their support of former U.S. President Donald Trump.[1][15] While Proud Boys leadership has denied being a white supremacist organization, the group and some of its members have been connected to white supremacist events, ideologies, and other white power groups throughout its existence.
 
Refuses to investigate Biden's son? The GOP house is investigating and has so far turned up nothing. Stop being ridiculous.

I just posted this on another thread but based on what I'm reading, seems like Trump is in bed with conspiracy theorists like Sovereign Citizens. I'm sure some Proud Boys are Sovereign Citizen nuts.

The Proud Boys is an exclusively male North American far-right, neo-fascist militant organization that promotes and engages in political violence.[1][14][15] The group's leaders have been convicted of violently opposing the United States government, including the constitutionally prescribed transfer of presidential power.[16] It has been called a street gang[17][18] and was designated as a terrorist group in Canada[19][20] and New Zealand.[13] The Proud Boys are known for their opposition to left-wing and progressive groups and for their support of former U.S. President Donald Trump.[1][15] While Proud Boys leadership has denied being a white supremacist organization, the group and some of its members have been connected to white supremacist events, ideologies, and other white power groups throughout its existence.
I said the FBI sat on its hands and you offer House committee members instead?

You must be joking
 
There is no corruption in the Biden family. So don't blame the FBI for not performing a witch hunt.
The FBI - probably on orders from obama - denied for years that the laptop even belonged to Hunter Biden

But finally the truth came out
 
I should have been a cop. I would have approached the car, found out what the guy's issue was, then respected his allodial beliefs, then simply given him a form and some paperwork and directed him to take his sovereign challenge before the courts within 90 days to resolve as I cannot resolve such an issue on the side of a highway, then sent him on his way alive.

Too many police only care about enforcing total compliance at any cost instead of actually solving problems and just keeping the peace.
 

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