25 yr. old "Sovereign Citizen" killed in Utah.

[sealybobo]

OK, you don't want to be part of society, fine, but you can't use public roadways, that are paid for and maintained by gas and income taxes, which you also refuse to pay.



A 25-year-old man who espoused beliefs that aligned with the so-called “sovereign citizen” movement was shot dead by police officers in Utah after being pulled over for driving without a proper license plate.

On March 1, Chase Allan, 25, was pulled over by police in the small Utah town of Farmington after cops noticed he was driving without a legitimate license plate. In its stead was a plate that read “American State Citizen, Utah” and featured the U.S. seal—something an expert described as a sovereign citizen symbol.

Police released body camera footage of the shooting on Wednesday afternoon, which shows Allan speaking through a small crack in the window and refusing to provide his ID. "I don't need registration, and I don't answer questions,” Allan tells the police officer.

Eventually Allan provides the officer with his passport although he refuses to say that he is Chase Allan and adds that the passport is just a piece of plastic. “If you don’t step out we’re going to break the window and pull you out,” a cop tells Allan, who does not leave the vehicle and instead states, “We’re going to have an issue.”

Police then move in to remove him from the vehicle, and one repeatedly says “gun.” During a press conference revealing the footage Wednesday, Farmington Police Chief Eric Johnsen noted on the screen that Allan’s gun holster was initially obscured in the car and the weapon was eventually visible on the floor. It’s unclear if Allan was reaching for it at any point as he was also holding a cell phone.

Within seconds of the officer yelling “gun,” a barrage of shots ring out, hitting Allan, who later died at a hospital.

Allan was hit 12 times, according to the family, who described the situation as a “brutal murder” and raised questions about if the arrest was targeted, an idea the police rejected. In an emotional Facebook post, Allan’s sister wrote that police were “stonewalling” them and that they learned about his death from the news.

“I don’t want to speculate, but I think the initial officer made a really interesting comment to the driver that ‘this is going to go the way you decide it’s going to go,’” said Chief Johnsen when asked if he thought the situation could have gone any other way.

Allan lived at home with his parents who described him as a “son, brother, grandson, nephew, peer, teammate, student and neighbor amongst many other important roles he played within our community.”

“He has been studying law the last few years and was a patriot doing what he could to defend the people’s freedom and liberty in his community,” his family wrote about him.

While Allan’s beliefs aren’t definitively known, there are several indications he was an adherent to the sovereign citizen movement, which can be best described as a group of people who believe they’re not bound by the laws of the country they reside in. Driving without a legitimate license plate, refusing to cooperate with police officers, and claiming independence from the laws of the land are typical in the movement.

Allan’s family rejected the term “sovereign citizen,” instead describing him as a “state national.” In a statement made to Heavy.com, Allan’s sister said, “The term sovereign citizen has been used by certain entities to weaponize government and law enforcement against the people.” However, according to sovereign citizen expert Christine Sarteschi “aside from a bit of difference in nomenclature, they are the same.”


Allan had previously interrupted a court hearing over his mother’s traffic violation—where she was ticketed for driving an unregistered and uninsured car without a license—and was so disruptive he had to be removed from the courthouse. Both Allan and his mother had used arguments tied to the sovereign citizen movement in the courthouse.

Sovereign citizen ideology has been around for decades but experienced a resurgence in popularity during the pandemic. Across the world, people were using the ideas from the community to refuse to comply with COVID-19 health restrictions. Despite the departure of government health regulations, the growth of the sovereign citizen movement has not slowed down.

Sovereign citizens have a longstanding history of not cooperating with police and, in some cases, being so anti-authority it leads to violence. In a recent case in Australia, two police officers and a neighbor were ambushed and killed by three people. The three were then shot dead during a police raid following the killings.

Man Killed by Cops During Traffic Stop Had ‘Sovereign Citizen’ License Plate

Chase Allan was pulled over by Utah cops for not having a proper license plate. He said he didn’t need a registration and didn’t have to cooperate.

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Trump supporters sound a lot like Sovereign Citizens don't you think?

 

[marvin martian]

According to reports, and the police who have viewed the footage of the cameras, Chase pulled a gun on the cops.

I have never objected to a police officer shooting someone who was pulling a gun on them. Ever. And I have written a lot about police misconduct.

You guys said the same thing about that 12 year old kid the cops killed in Cleveland.

 

[odanny]

Trump supporters sound a lot like Sovereign Citizens don't you think?

Not really.

 

[sealybobo]

Not really.

The sovereign citizen movement continued to see membership growth in 2022. The QAnon conspiracy theory that initially brought new people into the movement has remained a gateway into sovereign citizenship. A new group, which calls itself Life Force Network, is a fusion of Q-centric conspiracy theories, science fiction and fake alternative governments and courts called sovereign citizen “assemblies.” The organization’s main villain is “The Order,” which they describe as an international group that has “dominion over the governments” and is made up of regular antigovernment bogeymen such as the Rockefellers, the Rothchilds

 

[BackAgain]

Stupid is as stupid does.

His life was like a box of stupid.

 

[sealybobo]

Not really.

Or from wiki

The sovereign citizen movement anti-government activists, tax protesters, financial scammers (Trump), and conspiracy theorists based mainly in the United States. Sovereign citizens have their own pseudolegal belief system based on misinterpretations of common law THE CONSTITUTION and claim to not be subject to any government statutes, unless they consent to them. The movement appeared in the United States in the early 1970s and has since expanded to other countries: the similar freeman on the land movement emerged during the 2000s in Canada before spreading to other Commonwealth countries.The FBI describes sovereign citizens as "anti-government extremists

Bet you side with them over the FBI

 

[gtopa1]

Let's see, you have no license plate, you refuse to provide a drivers license, you refuse to comply with basic commands from the police, and you don't tell the police that you have a gun.

Being stupid can be hazardous to ones health.

Remember that when the victim is BLACK!!

Greg

 

[odanny]

Bet you side with them over the FBI

Why on earth would I do that?

 

[Not That Guy]

The lesson to be learned here: Don't comply with government orders = execution

 

[toobfreak]

OK, you don't want to be part of society, fine, but you can't use public roadways, that are paid for and maintained by gas and income taxes, which you also refuse to pay.

So basically now, you are trying to rationalize and justify murder and capital punishment for a guy just driving without a license plate while you defend 15 million criminals invading our country after justifying 2 billion in damages and the ravaging of 350 cities in 2020 for the arrest of a felon that went wrong while he fought with police resisting arrest.

Oh McMuffin, you've done it again!

 

[boevans]

The perp would not follow lawful orders by LE, resisted when being taken out of he car, and when he tried to get a gun, was shot dead. He was also a MAGA loon.

 

[fncceo]

Play stupid games ... win stupid prizes.

 

[fncceo]

So basically now, you are trying to rationalize and justify murder and capital punishment for a guy just driving without a license plate

Every step of the way... the guy chose the path that led to his eventual demise.

This wasn't capital punishment, it was reluctantly assisted suicide.

 

[toobfreak]

Every step of the way... the guy chose the path that led to his eventual demise.
This wasn't capital punishment, it was reluctantly assisted suicide.

Perhaps he was just a true, allodial American who chose to rather die a genuinely free man than to live under the tyranny of imposed taxation used against him for the benefit of those sent to government supposedly to represent him and the fakery of the false promise of nonexistent "blind justice" where all are supposedly treated equally under the rule of law which is only used to rule over those who oppose their tyrants.

 

[fncceo]

Perhaps he was just a true, allodial American who chose to rather die a genuinely free man than to live under the tyranny of imposed taxation used against him for the benefit of those sent to government supposedly to represent him and the fakery of the false promise of nonexistent "blind justice" where all are supposedly treated equally under the rule of law which is only used to rule over those who oppose their tyrants.

If you chose to die on the hill of not getting a driver license, that's on you.

Personally, my bar for a dictatorial fascist state is just a bit higher than requiring folks to have a licence in at least one state to drive on public roads.

 

[toobfreak]

If you chose to die on the hill of not getting a driver license, that's on you.

License or not, how can that justify murder? People are murdered for not having a license plate but not for selling out the country to our enemies? Is that really your argument?

Personally, my bar for a dictatorial fascist state is just a bit higher than requiring folks to have a licence in at least one state to drive on public roads.

Now you talk like an idiot. I never said that this event alone was in any way the whole (or even partial) basis for that observation. That is the dullard rationale of a lowbrow, guess that's why you were just a cop.

BOTTOM LINE: a man was gunned down for violating state vehicle registration laws while we give people selling secrets to the Chinese a slap on the wrist and let key terrorists enter the country (now confirmed by the FBI) and a treasonist under foreign control run the government.

 

[fncceo]

how can that justify murder?

Because it isn't murder.

 

[fncceo]

“He has been studying law the last few years"

And yet ... he has no understanding of basic traffic law.

It's not that difficult.

 

[odanny]

Take is cheap, Muffinhead, all we need now is some proof anything I said was a lie or that anyone is "paying" me.

But we both know you have neither but your dick in your hands, + a squirt of your special McRib sauce.


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Of course we don't have "proof", other than that former member who made no attempt to disguise he being of Russian background saying you went to college in the Ukraine at some point in your sorry life.

Now you work for a few rubles a day spreading bullshit on the internet. I do hope you have some other source of income.

 

[toobfreak]

Because it isn't murder.

Keep telling yourself that gunning a man down in cold blood over a state fee is OK if it helps you sleep at night.