24 Things Wrong With Electric Vehicles That They Don't Tell You

[Cardinal Carminative]

The only difference between an EV and ICE is the engine and exhaust. My diesel car, each year I pay for the oil, oil filter, and air filter to be changed.

I pay for none of that.

Every other year, the diesel filter. And that's it, every other cost on suspension etc.. is also on an EV.

I will, at some point, need work on tires and suspension. But other than that....

And which garage can I go to? Any. With an EV, which garage can do go to?

The dealership down the street from me.

With solar, a survey of my roof in Southern Scotland said the payback on panels would be a negative £1,800. So it's cheaper not to buy them. Bearing in mind, electricity has now gone up. But I'm hoping to move house next year, can't take the panels with me.

I live in the Pacific Northwest so my climate is not unlike yours. Since installing my panels 5 years ago I have paid 2 monthly electricity bills. For the rest of that time I have paid no charge for electricity.

So are EV's cheaper to refuel? Depends if you omit some factors out and is solar the answer? It's fantastic for a minority, those with the money and sunny location.

The Pacific Northwest spends about half the year under clouds and with lots of rain.

And when you start to pay drive per mile tax and grants/incentives are phased out, EV reality will start to kick in.

How will it really kick in? What ongoing "incentives" do I enjoy for having bought the car 3 years ago? I paid full price for my car. There may have been a modest tax incentive the year I bought it, but hardly enough to significantly offset the price.

And let's talk subsidies for a moment: the oil companies are currently enjoying subsidies all the time. We in the US give oil companies billions of dollars in subsidies. So why is it OK for THEM to get it but not for US?

As for road taxes, I'd actually be quite happy if they installed those on us with electric cars. Road and highway taxes are paid at the pump in the US. I'd be happy to pay my fair share if they were to set up a tax structure for those of us who don't use a pump.

All the reasons I'm told to NOT buy an electric car always sounds so post hoc as to beggar the imagination of how hard it must be to come up with criticisms.

 

[sparky]

You people all operate under the delusion that gasoline powered cars are going to be made illegal

Let's just say harder to own blues>>>>

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[Blues Man]

Let's just say harder to own blues>>>>

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~S~

Sold in the state.

So buy it in another state

 

[Flash]

EVs are vehicles for Moon Bat pussies. To stupid to understand that the EVs are shitty technology.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I pay for none of that.



I will, at some point, need work on tires and suspension. But other than that....



The dealership down the street from me.



I live in the Pacific Northwest so my climate is not unlike yours. Since installing my panels 5 years ago I have paid 2 monthly electricity bills. For the rest of that time I have paid no charge for electricity.



The Pacific Northwest spends about half the year under clouds and with lots of rain.



How will it really kick in? What ongoing "incentives" do I enjoy for having bought the car 3 years ago? I paid full price for my car. There may have been a modest tax incentive the year I bought it, but hardly enough to significantly offset the price.

And let's talk subsidies for a moment: the oil companies are currently enjoying subsidies all the time. We in the US give oil companies billions of dollars in subsidies. So why is it OK for THEM to get it but not for US?

As for road taxes, I'd actually be quite happy if they installed those on us with electric cars. Road and highway taxes are paid at the pump in the US. I'd be happy to pay my fair share if they were to set up a tax structure for those of us who don't use a pump.

All the reasons I'm told to NOT buy an electric car always sounds so post hoc as to beggar the imagination of how hard it must be to come up with criticisms.

Breakdown what you said. You only paid two electric bills. How much did you spend upfront for solar panels etc.. for that privilege!! So after payback period, then come back to us and start claiming your savings, because at the moment, you are out of pocket. Can you see that?

And yes, you use the dealership at dealership prices. I use a local non-dealership garage and I can change filters by myself. You probably spend more maintaining your EV than I do maintaining my ICE car.

The reasons for most to not buy an EV are, the ridiculous price, can't charge at home, and charging times. There's a saying, "A fool and their money are soon parted". I'm more than happy for the fools to create the second hand EV market. I would be more happy when a realistic replacement to the ICE vehicle comes to the market.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

And yes, you use the dealership at dealership prices.

Even if I had a new ICE car I'd use the dealership.

You probably spend more maintaining your EV than I do maintaining my ICE car.

Hmmm, so let me tote it up for the last 3 years....ummm, about $50 for 3 years worth of scheduled maintenance.

Something tells me you spent more than $50 over 3 years.

The reasons for most to not buy an EV are, the ridiculous price,

Are you joking? In the US I paid less for my full electric car than most Americans pay for their SUV's.

LOL.

can't charge at home,

I charge at home. Why do you say that sort of stuff??? I have a 220V drop in the garage that hooks up to a charger for the car. I pay nothing for my car charging since it is on the solar.

and charging times. There's a saying, "A fool and their money are soon parted".

And free is still better than something.

I'm more than happy for the fools to create the second hand EV market. I would be more happy when a realistic replacement to the ICE vehicle comes to the market.

I've worked on a "realistic replacement" back in my second postdoc. Didn't turn out to be a great fix.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Even if I had a new ICE car I'd use the dealership.






Hmmm, so let me tote it up for the last 3 years....ummm, about $50 for 3 years worth of scheduled maintenance.

Something tells me you spent more than $50 over 3 years.



Are you joking? In the US I paid less for my full electric car than most Americans pay for their SUV's.

LOL.



I charge at home. Why do you say that sort of stuff??? I have a 220V drop in the garage that hooks up to a charger for the car. I pay nothing for my car charging since it is on the solar.



And free is still better than something.



I've worked on a "realistic replacement" back in my second postdoc. Didn't turn out to be a great fix.

How much is the service plan from the dealership for your EV? The labour cost at a dealership in the UK is best part double than a back street garage. Maintenance on my car, as I've previously said, is oil £20.07, oil filter £0.82, and air filter £6.59. As I change them myself, less than £30. Fuel filter £7.97.

Can't charge at home relates to one third of the population that cannot charge an EV from their home. So they would need to use third party chargers that are as rare as hen's teeth in the UK.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

How much is the service plan from the dealership for your EV?

What does it matter? It is suggested that I come into the dealership once every 6 months or so to have my windshield wiper fluid refilled and a quick check of tires and suspension.

I don't have oil changes as you do in your ICE car. And your ICE car requires it be done more than 2X a year (unless you don't drive your ICE vehicle)

I'm still coming out ahead on this. The car costs no more than a regular similarly sized ICE car and there's fewer maintenance costs and I don't even pay for FUEL for the vehicle.

I honestly cannot see how any of this makes it somehow less economical than an ICE car.

The labour cost at a dealership in the UK is best part double than a back street garage. Maintenance on my car, as I've previously said, is oil £20.07, oil filter £0.82,

Exactly how much oil do you think an electric motor requires?

Can't charge at home relates to one third of the population that cannot charge an EV from their home.

And there's a large number of people who can't even afford an ICE car. So? And even if they were the richest person in Britain they couldn't create fuel for their ICE car at home and fuel it themselves. I can. And I'm not the richest person in my neighborhood, not even close.

So they would need to use third party chargers that are as rare as hen's teeth in the UK.

Agreed they are rare. But getting more common. At least here in the US. When ICE vehicles hit the road there wasn't a gas station on every corner as there is today.

 

[Captain Caveman]

What does it matter? It is suggested that I come into the dealership once every 6 months or so to have my windshield wiper fluid refilled and a quick check of tires and suspension.

Because you made the claim it's cheaper to maintain an EV, which is false.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Because you made the claim it's cheaper to maintain an EV, which is false.

I own a full electric vehicle and I have owned many ICE vehicles. I have NEVER paid this little for maintenance in my entire existence of driving and owning cars (42 years now).

How can you claim it is false???

Again, the OIL COST ALONE is less than you pay....BY DEFINITION. There is nothing that my car requires that yours doesn't but a LOT that your car requires that mine never will

 

[BackAgain]

If you drive a gas-powered car, the pollutants come out of the tail pipe! Not so with an EV.

With an EV, the pollutants come out of the power plant smokestacks.

 

[bodecea]

24 Things Wrong With Electric Cars Millennials Choose To Ignore


Of course, the automakers don't tell you these things.

Don't buy one, then.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I own a full electric vehicle and I have owned many ICE vehicles. I have NEVER paid this little for maintenance in my entire existence of driving and owning cars (42 years now).

How can you claim it is false???

Again, the OIL COST ALONE is less than you pay....BY DEFINITION. There is nothing that my car requires that yours doesn't but a LOT that your car requires that mine never will

Because again, how much does the dealership servicing package cost. My mate has the BMWi3 and pays for the servicing package from the dealer. That's more expensive than my ICE vehicle by some distance. One third of that car cost is battery, you wouldn't have that if it had a petrol engine. That's why EV owners have paid a premium up front and claim they're cheap to maintain and refuel, but they pay over £10,000 for this privilege.

If I buy the ICE van new that I want, the diesel version is £35,000 to £38,000, the EXACT battery version is double that. It doesn't matter if I want to claim it's cheap to maintain and refuel, yet ignore the fact I would be stuck with an expensive dealership, the van over it's lifetime, the £35,000+ price difference means the van is much more expensive. So if I had your logic, I would pay £35,000+ to get cheap fuel and no oil change. So after 200,000 miles, yes, the refuelling and maintenance is now working out cheaper. Keep in mind that batteries are usually warranted for 100,000 miles and approx 8 years. It's taken me 19 years to hit 175,000 miles. Is an EV viable? Nope.

By all means claim one or two little bits of the picture to make the EV experience sound cheap, but when you put the whole lot together, they ain't. They're fantastic for the minority, but a pile of shite for the majority.

Lithium battery idea needs replaced, it's the steam engine idea of electric cars and a backwards step.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Because again, how much does the dealership servicing package cost.

Maybe I'm not as "fancy" as you are. I pay the cost of the quick check up. I honestly don't even recall it is so minimal. Let's say it is less than I spend on a half-way decent dinner out with my wife.

My mate has the BMWi3 and pays for the servicing package from the dealer. That's more expensive than my ICE vehicle by some distance.

I do not own a BMW. And while I realize they are not necessarily as fancy as they once were they are still more expensive than a regular car. I own a Chevy.

One third of that car cost is battery, you wouldn't have that if it had a petrol engine.

That sentence doesn't mean anything. I paid as much for my full electric car as most people pay for a similar sized ICE car or SUV. Both types of vehicle require an engine or motor.

That's why EV owners have paid a premium up front and claim they're cheap to maintain and refuel, but they pay over £10,000 for this privilege.

What "premium" are you talking about? I paid no such premium. I honestly don't know where you get your information because it doesn't appear you actually own one of these things.

If I buy the ICE van new that I want, the diesel version is £35,000 to £38,000,

Converting to US $ I paid nowhere NEAR that high. I mean by a significant amount. I paid $35K which is equivalent (today) to about 27K pounds.

Again, I'm way ahead of where you are in terms of cost.

the EXACT battery version is double that.

You should buy a Chevy Bolt. Again, and I can't stress this enough, the Chevy Bolt is not dissimilar in price to an American SUV.

By all means claim one or two little bits of the picture to make the EV experience sound cheap,

So far EVERYTHING I've pointed out is cheaper.

but when you put the whole lot together, they ain't.

Well, at least I have enjoyed 3 years of FREE DRIVING. No fuel cost, almost no maintenance cost, and similar cost to purchasing an ICE car.

Right now it's pretty hard to argue with that. I'm sure you will, though. Wait until you actually buy one and you know the details.

They're fantastic for the minority, but a pile of shite for the majority.

If the minority likes paying through the nose for fuel then I guess you are right.

Lithium battery idea needs replaced, it's the steam engine idea of electric cars and a backwards step.

You DO realize that electric cars predate ICE cars, right?

 

[krichton]

I own a full electric vehicle and I have owned many ICE vehicles. I have NEVER paid this little for maintenance in my entire existence of driving and owning cars (42 years now).

How can you claim it is false???

Again, the OIL COST ALONE is less than you pay....BY DEFINITION. There is nothing that my car requires that yours doesn't but a LOT that your car requires that mine never will

Caveman enjoys the privilege of paying the current average of $9 USD per gallon for gas in the UK, while you charge at home. I'd like to see what your pro ev comeback is to that!

 

[krichton]

This was a silly article and a silly thread, as usual. EVs have their advantages and drawbacks. This is pretty much known to everybody, but lying and pretending they're disasters on four wheels is very telling that they are the complete opposite. The #3 problem with Evs, as stated in the article is, If they are powered by electricity produced by coal fired power plants they aren't any better than an ICE vehicle as far as emissions. This completely omits the fact that a tremendous amount of pollution and greenhouse gases and all sorts of bad environmental shit happens not just from the tailpipes of cars. Digging and extracting oil requires use an insane amount of electricity from those same coal powered power plants. Digging for oil offshore also requires lots and lots fuel as well, not to mention the possibility of leaks that destroy our oceans and wildlife. So far i've only covered the extraction part. Refining oil, also requires an insane amount of energy again, but now you're throwing a neverending amount of pollution into the air as well. Then there's the transportation of this oil across the ocean and then again on trucks all over the United States all burning the same amount of fuel which goes up into the air. There is literally no difference between the enviromental damage of all that compared to just charging your ev cars at an outlet.

 

[Cardinal Carminative]

Caveman enjoys the privilege of paying the current average of $9 USD per gallon for gas in the UK, while you charge at home. I'd like to see what your pro ev comeback is to that!

No doubt a lot of that are road taxes which, actually I feel quite guilty about here in the US. In the US much of our highway and road costs are covered by taxes on gasoline at the pump. I am in favor of the US government imposing a cost on those of us that don't fill up at the pump. Right now I'm not only driving for free but I am effectively "freeloading" on the US infrastructure. And I am not happy about that.

 

[james bond]

EVs are vehicles for Moon Bat pussies. To stupid to understand that the EVs are shitty technology.

Lol, I'm an EV driver. Ceterus paribus. EVs will win every time.

 

[Flash]

Lol, I'm an EV driver. Ceterus paribus. EVs will win every time.

If you like fast cars then go for it Sport. I outgrew that when I became an adult with a family.

As far as a replacement for ICEs for every day Americans then L-I technology sucks.

 

[james bond]

If you like fast cars then go for it Sport. I outgrew that when I became an adult with a family.

As far as a replacement for ICEs for every day Americans then L-I technology sucks.

Gasoline will become even more expensive as the populace switches to L-I technology. Right now, I live in the best of both worlds as I drive around the city free and still can get gas for long distance trips requiring about 270 miles.