2014 battle for control of the US Senate

Not going to bother waiting for anything past 9 pm because by then we will know whether or not it will be a wave.

Then it will simply be a matter of checking tomorrow to see where the chips ended up falling even though the outcome is a foregone conclusion.
 
Results are pretty much as expected. The GOP now controls the Senate. It would only have been surprising if that was not the case.

The consequences will come later when the Republicans have to deal with raising the debt ceiling and try to find an electable candidate for 2016. How they handle the first issue will have a direct impact on the second in my opinion.

In the meantime I anticipate that filibustering and the veto will be used to keep the insanity in check for the next 2 years.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.
 
Results are pretty much as expected. The GOP now controls the Senate. It would only have been surprising if that was not the case.

The consequences will come later when the Republicans have to deal with raising the debt ceiling and try to find an electable candidate for 2016. How they handle the first issue will have a direct impact on the second in my opinion.

In the meantime I anticipate that filibustering and the veto will be used to keep the insanity in check for the next 2 years.


De....it did end up being a wave election....which is truly what I thought would happen for over a year.


Political Expert Larry Sabato. The Dems will get Shellacked in 2014. Page 2 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Yes....the Democrats will get a blizzard of bills thrown at them. The last I heard Harry Reid had spiked over 300 bills where he would not allow a vote.

The Democrats will become the obvious Party of obstruction and no. I don't think it will be a smart strategy going into 2016....but I agree with you.....they will never compromise. It will be nothing but fillibusters and vetos.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.

You could say the Dems already have a candidate? And the Repubs have yet to find one?
 
Results are pretty much as expected. The GOP now controls the Senate. It would only have been surprising if that was not the case.

The consequences will come later when the Republicans have to deal with raising the debt ceiling and try to find an electable candidate for 2016. How they handle the first issue will have a direct impact on the second in my opinion.

In the meantime I anticipate that filibustering and the veto will be used to keep the insanity in check for the next 2 years.


De....it did end up being a wave election....which is truly what I thought would happen for over a year.


Political Expert Larry Sabato. The Dems will get Shellacked in 2014. Page 2 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Yes....the Democrats will get a blizzard of bills thrown at them. The last I heard Harry Reid had spiked over 300 bills where he would not allow a vote.

The Democrats will become the obvious Party of obstruction and no. I don't think it will be a smart strategy going into 2016....but I agree with you.....they will never compromise. It will be nothing but fillibusters and vetos.

If it was a wave election then why did the polls fail to predict it?

Why did Hagen lose in NC after all the polls showed her with a lead? They showed Davis beating Brownback too.

The polls were wrong so the question in my mind is why were they wrong?

As far as McConnell trying to swamp the Dems with bills he has to start from scratch because all of those old bills need to be passed again in the House first.

Putting that aside the Dems will obstruct for the same reasons that the GOP did. They don't want the Republicans to succeed. We are talking about childish antics and both sides are guilty of it. But from a strategic perspective the Dems have an end game and the GOP doesn't because they still have to deal with the TP.

So the next 2 years will be much the same as the last couple. The major difference will be the budgets and the debt ceiling. The TP'ers could wreck the economy for real this time and it would be to their advantage politically to make that happen. If they do they will harm hundreds of millions of innocent Americans for purely partisan political purposes.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.

You could say the Dems already have a candidate? And the Repubs have yet to find one?

Both parties will have primaries but Hilary is the odds on favorite for the Dems.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.


I disagree. The GOP clearly learned it's lesson. They were very disciplined. Their primary process will get the right person. A far right winger has never been nominated by the GOP nor will it.

As for Hillary....the minority voters that got Obama into office largely abandoned the Dems when a black man wasn't on the top of the ticket during both mid-terms.

That turnout model was reserved for a charismatic black man, who happened to be Barack Obama. That is gone.

The GOP will likely put a woman on the ticket (Condi Rice?). They will not make the Sarah Palin mistake again (someone who is very charismatic but a lightweight. Think Alison Lundergren Grimes).

2016 should be interesting. I have no idea how it will go...but I will make one prediction. It is by no means going to be an easy road for Dems. Hillary is not charismatic nor is she a very good candidate.

Hoping for the Obama minority turnout for her is a pipe dream.
 
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Results are pretty much as expected. The GOP now controls the Senate. It would only have been surprising if that was not the case.

The consequences will come later when the Republicans have to deal with raising the debt ceiling and try to find an electable candidate for 2016. How they handle the first issue will have a direct impact on the second in my opinion.

In the meantime I anticipate that filibustering and the veto will be used to keep the insanity in check for the next 2 years.


De....it did end up being a wave election....which is truly what I thought would happen for over a year.


Political Expert Larry Sabato. The Dems will get Shellacked in 2014. Page 2 US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum


Yes....the Democrats will get a blizzard of bills thrown at them. The last I heard Harry Reid had spiked over 300 bills where he would not allow a vote.

The Democrats will become the obvious Party of obstruction and no. I don't think it will be a smart strategy going into 2016....but I agree with you.....they will never compromise. It will be nothing but fillibusters and vetos.

If it was a wave election then why did the polls fail to predict it?

Why did Hagen lose in NC after all the polls showed her with a lead? They showed Davis beating Brownback too.

The polls were wrong so the question in my mind is why were they wrong?

As far as McConnell trying to swamp the Dems with bills he has to start from scratch because all of those old bills need to be passed again in the House first.

Putting that aside the Dems will obstruct for the same reasons that the GOP did. They don't want the Republicans to succeed. We are talking about childish antics and both sides are guilty of it. But from a strategic perspective the Dems have an end game and the GOP doesn't because they still have to deal with the TP.

So the next 2 years will be much the same as the last couple. The major difference will be the budgets and the debt ceiling. The TP'ers could wreck the economy for real this time and it would be to their advantage politically to make that happen. If they do they will harm hundreds of millions of innocent Americans for purely partisan political purposes.



I agree...the polls were way, way off. The TP has been largely marginalized in this election. The nutty "legitimate rape" screwballs are politically dead.

I do think the libertarian trend in the GOP is growing.....and I do not know what the consequences will be.
 
The results strongly suggest that Americans didn't so much vote for any Republican candidate as they voted against Democrats. Especially those who gifted them with the Great Obamacare Turkey.

So is it a mandate to compromise and wimp out?

Had that been the case I do not believe that as many Democrats would have lost.

Feels more like a mandate to make Obama stop his transformation of America into a European Socialist third-world nation.

But we'll see if there is any backbone in the new lot. I am not overly optimistic.
 
The results strongly suggest that Americans didn't so much vote for any Republican candidate as they voted against Democrats. Especially those who gifted them with the Great Obamacare Turkey.

So is it a mandate to compromise and wimp out?

Had that been the case I do not believe that as many Democrats would have lost.

Feels more like a mandate to make Obama stop his transformation of America into a European Socialist third-world nation.

But we'll see if there is any backbone in the new lot. I am not overly optimistic.

Watching Mitch McConnell's speech on British television, I have to say I was more impressed with his manner and rhetoric than Harry Reid's.

But you are probably right. It was a protest vote.
 
The results strongly suggest that Americans didn't so much vote for any Republican candidate as they voted against Democrats. Especially those who gifted them with the Great Obamacare Turkey.

So is it a mandate to compromise and wimp out?

Had that been the case I do not believe that as many Democrats would have lost.

Feels more like a mandate to make Obama stop his transformation of America into a European Socialist third-world nation.

But we'll see if there is any backbone in the new lot. I am not overly optimistic.


Great analysis. I couldn't agree more.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.


I disagree. The GOP clearly learned it's lesson. They were very disciplined. Their primary process will get the right person. A far right winger has never been nominated by the GOP nor will it.

As for Hillary....the minority voters that got Obama into office largely abandoned the Dems when a black man wasn't on the top of the ticket during both mid-terms.

That turnout model was reserved for a charismatic black man, who happened to be Barack Obama. That is gone.

The GOP will likely put a woman on the ticket (Condi Rice?). They will not make the Sarah Palin mistake again (someone who is very charismatic but a lightweight. Think Alison Lundergren Grimes).

2016 should be interesting. I have no idea how it will go...but I will make one prediction. It is by no means going to be an easy road for Dems. Hillary is not charismatic nor is she a very good candidate.

Hoping for the Obama minority turnout for her is a pipe dream.

If that was a lesson learned then they clearly didn't grasp the subject matter in the first place.

The clear victor in this election was Citizens United. The billionaires now own more members of Congress than ever before. The spending was totally out of control and, sad to say, it is probably a mere prelude to 2016.

As far as the crazies go you now have a bunch who can caucus with Ted Cruz in the Senate so he won't have to run across to the House as often.

There are two major hurdles that McConnell is facing in his immediate future. First and foremost are the budget and debt ceiling. If he allows the crazies to shut down the government and jeopardize/wreck the economy there will be serious repercussions in 2016. The second aspect is now that he has crazies in the Senate they will be pressuring him to repeal Obamacare. (Something he promised to do.) If McConnell kowtows to the crazies on that topic he hands the Dems a massive issue to campaign on in 2016.

Once he is past those hurdles he has to deal with Immigration and Tax reform. Without a compromise deal he will face filibusters. If he does compromise his own crazies will be swinging from the chandeliers.

Be careful what you wish for is something that McConnell is about to regret in my opinion. I might be wrong in which case it will be a pleasant surprise but past behavior says otherwise.
 
Wondering who could be an electable Repub candidate.

Having said that, wondering even more so who could be a Dem candidate.

Unless the Dems do their magic trick of pulling another snake oil candidate out of the hat.

The Dems will run Hilary because she will pull in the women's vote which is the single largest voting bloc of all.

The Republicans have a dilemma on their hands because the TP'ers will see 2014 as a "victory" for their "platform" and absolutely insist on running an extremist at the top of the ticket. So it will be Rand Paul or Ted Cruz or someone of that ilk in my opinion.


I disagree. The GOP clearly learned it's lesson. They were very disciplined. Their primary process will get the right person. A far right winger has never been nominated by the GOP nor will it.

As for Hillary....the minority voters that got Obama into office largely abandoned the Dems when a black man wasn't on the top of the ticket during both mid-terms.

That turnout model was reserved for a charismatic black man, who happened to be Barack Obama. That is gone.

The GOP will likely put a woman on the ticket (Condi Rice?). They will not make the Sarah Palin mistake again (someone who is very charismatic but a lightweight. Think Alison Lundergren Grimes).

2016 should be interesting. I have no idea how it will go...but I will make one prediction. It is by no means going to be an easy road for Dems. Hillary is not charismatic nor is she a very good candidate.

Hoping for the Obama minority turnout for her is a pipe dream.

If that was a lesson learned then they clearly didn't grasp the subject matter in the first place.

The clear victor in this election was Citizens United. The billionaires now own more members of Congress than ever before. The spending was totally out of control and, sad to say, it is probably a mere prelude to 2016.

As far as the crazies go you now have a bunch who can caucus with Ted Cruz in the Senate so he won't have to run across to the House as often.

There are two major hurdles that McConnell is facing in his immediate future. First and foremost are the budget and debt ceiling. If he allows the crazies to shut down the government and jeopardize/wreck the economy there will be serious repercussions in 2016. The second aspect is now that he has crazies in the Senate they will be pressuring him to repeal Obamacare. (Something he promised to do.) If McConnell kowtows to the crazies on that topic he hands the Dems a massive issue to campaign on in 2016.

Once he is past those hurdles he has to deal with Immigration and Tax reform. Without a compromise deal he will face filibusters. If he does compromise his own crazies will be swinging from the chandeliers.

Be careful what you wish for is something that McConnell is about to regret in my opinion. I might be wrong in which case it will be a pleasant surprise but past behavior says otherwise.



De...sorry man....but crazies do not want to repeal Obamacare. The majority of the American people want Obamacare repealed and have since it's inception.

Elections have consequences.

As for the money issue....the biggest super pac in terms of t.v. ad dollars spent was Harry Reid's. More than a little ironic...wouldn't you say?

And what U.S. Senators do you consider "crazy." Ted Cruz and Mike Lee are a little out there.....but any less so than a Bernie Sanders for example?

Look...this election cycle the Dems took it on the chin. Just like the GOP in 2008 and 2012. It happens.

The Dems will now be the party of no. It will be interesting to see how the Media and American People perceive it.
 

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